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=====<big>13 January 2014</big>===== |
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*[http://toolserver.org/~betacommand/cgi-bin/uc?uc=Leoesb1032 User compare report] <small>''Auto-generated every hour.''</small> |
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*[http://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py Editor interaction utility] |
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[[User:Leoesb1032]] has a history of socking, as [[User:Matthewb103]] in April to May 2013, to support an RfC started by Leoesb1032 at [[Centralia mine fire]]. This time, [[User:FranklynJimenez777]] was used in a [[WP:GHBH|good hand, bad hand]] manner to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nephilim&diff=prev&oldid=590298523 perform test edits], allowing Leoesb1032 to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FranklynJimenez777&oldid=590299121 issue a warning], and then for FranklynJimenez777 to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Leoesb1032&diff=prev&oldid=590299523 award a barnstar] to Leoesb1032. The strangely formal English used in the barnstar is similar to that of Leoesb1032, not to mention that a new editor has somehow graduated from test edits to barnstar awarding within 25 minutes. FranklynJimenez777 ''did not'' award a barnstar to ClueBot NG for the second warning on his page and Leoesb1032 ''did not'' thank FranklynJimenez777 for the barnstar, though he engages with everyone else who edits his Talk page, but simply added the text to his User page. The FranklynJimenez777 account was created at 00:48, 12 January 2014 and edits started at 00:51, while there was a gap in Leoesb1032's editing between 00:24 and 01:03. Some of this evidence is circumstantial, I will admit, but considered together I find it rather good evidence. At the very least, we should look for sleeper socks as Leoesb1032 has used at one in the past. [[User:Woodroar|Woodroar]] ([[User talk:Woodroar|talk]]) 06:01, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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<small>''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|Defending yourself against claims]].''</small> |
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:I was very sorry to hear that someone would actually accuse me of this. I learned my lessons long ago. I don't want to risk anything again. I have simply been trying to work as well on Wikipedia as I can. Please, I have done nothing wrong. I have also never given out a barnstar. Proof I was not a sockpuppet is that I used STiki to revert this users edit on the article and it would be extremely unlikely for me to even come across my own edit while using STiki [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nephilim&diff=590299119&oldid=590299059 here] I remember in my previous investigation, [[User:Barek]] found my location and Matthewb103's location, so do this again. I promise we will not be in the same place. [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 13:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::It wasn't me last time (I don't have access to the necessary technical tools to investigate); but if a clerk believes there is sufficient reasons to justify an investigation, a different admin who has the appropriate tools can compare the technical logs. --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 18:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Do you know any admins that I could ask that have this log? [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 18:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::::If one of the SPI clerks see sufficient grounds to require such an investigation, this page will get flagged so that one of the admins with that access will see this page listed as needing investigated. These things can sometimes take a few days to get that far then to be processed, depending upon backlog and also considering that everyone involved are volunteers, and because of the sensitivity of the data being reviewed there are only a [[Special:ListUsers/checkuser|handful of users]] who even have access to the necessary tools. Feel free to make a general statement in this section to whomever eventually investigates, if you wish. --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 18:44, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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*It's very bizarre and suspicious that a brand new user would award a barnstar, not to mention know what a barnstar is, in less than a half-hour after their very first edit. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FranklynJimenez777]--[[User:Oakshade|Oakshade]] ([[User talk:Oakshade|talk]]) 18:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:I affirm to you all that I am not a sockpuppet and I strongly urge any checkuser looking here to prove it by running location and clearing my username. [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 19:01, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::Others will scrutinize. Two separate terminals alone doesn't mean someone isn't a sock (same city, one work and one residence for example). If you're not a sock, you have nothing to worry about. It's usually the ones who [[The lady doth protest too much, methinks|heavily defend]] typically end up being socks.--[[User:Oakshade|Oakshade]] ([[User talk:Oakshade|talk]]) 04:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::This is the last comment that I will leave per Oakshade. I have proof in the contributions that I am not a sockpuppet. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Leoesb1032&offset=&limit=250&target=Leoesb1032 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FranklynJimenez777 here]. These are the contributions for myself and my alleged sock. I edited at the same time as he did at 20:22 on the 11th, meaning I could have not signed in and out in less than 1 second. [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 13:26, 14 January 2014 (UTC) |
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How is possible to edit at the same exact time as two different users? [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 16:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:Easy: open up two web browsers. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♥</font>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♦</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<font color="black">♣</font>]] ♠ 16:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::Here is the problem with that statement. I couldn't have reverted an edit using STiki, then gone on to another brower page an made an edit using the other account all in one second. Explain how that would be possible. One other thing, let's have some common sense here. Why would I go to all the trouble to make a socked account, make a test edit on some page, edit that same minute on Stiki, just to throw you off and then just to give myself a barnstar. That's pretty stupid. I'm really not sure why I'm being accused of this. They say I shouldn't be worried if I'm innocent, but I'm beginning to feel a little worried. [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 22:27, 14 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::It is possible to prepare an edit under the alternate account, do the revert in STiki in the main account, and then switch over and save the edit. As for your second point, this is a well-known activity known as [[WP:HAND]]. People do this to make their main account look good. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♥</font>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♦</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<font color="black">♣</font>]] ♠ 00:05, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::::This is ''extremely'' far fetched to make the edit in less than one minute on two different accounts. And another compelling point is why I would prepare an edit but not save it then and go on to STiki, next. I had been on STiki nostop for the last few minutes and with the size of the edit the other guy made, I could have never done that in 1 minute between STiki edits. Our edits are overlapping implying we are not the same person. I really would appreciate it if a Checkuser would run location and prove that we are not even close together so I can get this over with. There is so much compelling evidence here that supports my case and no evidence besides prior history that makes me a sockpuppet. [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 01:12, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::From what it looks like, Franklyn is a man of God, and I know this sounds really silly, but from his contributions he only edited Christian pages and I think he gave me a barnstar because a key point of being a Christian is to respect others. And I know this sounds ridiculous, but it is the only way I can think of of why he gave me that barnstar. [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 13:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::I find it interesting that while you interacted everyone else who posted on your talk page, you didn't interact with Franklyn. Is there a reason for that? [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius#top|talk]]) 14:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::Yes, he didn't comment on my edits or ask me anything. He just gave me a barnstar and I wasn't quite sure if to thank him or not. Again, I strongly urge any CheckUser to run the logs to prove Franklin an I are not in the same location. Even though Oakshade said that same city, you can only travel two different locations more than about 1/4 a mile, go inside, start up a computer and save an edit all in 1 minute. [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 16:04, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::::If you wanted to thank him, you could just leave a concise comment below the barnstar posting. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius#top|talk]]) 16:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Alright, thank you. Now if a CheckUser would please run location. I'm getting tired of this. I have never edited any of the pages that Jimmez has, except for my user talk and the reversion of his test edits. He doesn't use the same wording or edit the same genre as I do. My key point here is that it would almost be impossible to run across my own edit while using STiki, which to me, is proof I am not a sockpuppet. [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 16:41, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:I keep noticing that Franklin's contributions keep going back and forth between 11 and 12 January. Why is this? [[User:Leoesb1032|Leoesb1032]] ([[User talk:Leoesb1032|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2014 (UTC) |
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*{{Endorse}} - On the face of it, it doesn't really look indicative of sockpuppetry, but combine it with the user's history and the rather unusual awarding of a barnstar and it raises enough suspicion for a check IMO. [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♥</font>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♦</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<font color="black">♣</font>]] ♠ 16:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC) |
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* I don't think I can run a check here. The Stiki edit looks legit to me and if it ''is'' then as I understand the tool a connection is extremely improbable, the wikilove button makes giving a barnstar trivial and it's designed to be very accessible, and the Cluebot message explicitly pointed out the automated nature. Without a reason to assume a pattern of socking I can't do a sleeper check either.<br>It's ''possible'' that there's something going on with FranklynJimenez777, but since I'm not really convinced and there isn't any apparent abuse to speak of that's not enough for me either. Seeing that nobody else wanted to act on it it seems I'm not alone with that assessment so I'll close this case, with no action taken. Sorry it took so long.<br>[[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 10:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC) |
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