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Hey, I move that Janet Mock's male-assigned birth name be removed from the article. Disclosing the birth-assigned names of transgender persons (or "deadnaming") serves no educational or research purpose for the general Wikipedia user, and does little more than delegitimize the identities and intrude upon the privacy of transgender persons. Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Gender_identity|WP: Gender Identity ]] advises on the issue of legal/birth names: ''"Legal names have little to no relevance to our naming policy. Nor is the state a neutral arbiter of these matters. If there is a difference between a person's gender expression and the gender assigned to them by the state, basic respect requires us to side with the individual. The status of transgender rights, for instance changing one's sex on a birth certificate, varies widely by jurisdiction. We also should avoid saying an article should be a particular way because of a basic opposition to the notion of changing one's public gender presentation."'' In fact, since Janet Mock is Mock's legal name, there is no need to use her birth name in this article at all. [[User:Pinko1977|Pinko1977]] ([[User talk:Pinko1977|talk]]) 22:30, 1 February 2014 (UTC) |
Hey, I move that Janet Mock's male-assigned birth name be removed from the article. Disclosing the birth-assigned names of transgender persons (or "deadnaming") serves no educational or research purpose for the general Wikipedia user, and does little more than delegitimize the identities and intrude upon the privacy of transgender persons. Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Gender_identity|WP: Gender Identity ]] advises on the issue of legal/birth names: ''"Legal names have little to no relevance to our naming policy. Nor is the state a neutral arbiter of these matters. If there is a difference between a person's gender expression and the gender assigned to them by the state, basic respect requires us to side with the individual. The status of transgender rights, for instance changing one's sex on a birth certificate, varies widely by jurisdiction. We also should avoid saying an article should be a particular way because of a basic opposition to the notion of changing one's public gender presentation."'' In fact, since Janet Mock is Mock's legal name, there is no need to use her birth name in this article at all. [[User:Pinko1977|Pinko1977]] ([[User talk:Pinko1977|talk]]) 22:30, 1 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:I support what you're saying, Pinko, but I will be honest and say I support it because I think it's the ethical thing. I don't think what you are saying is in line with Wikipedia precedent. If you remove Janet Mock's birthname; I certainly won't add it back in. And hopefully no one else will try to add it back in either. But if they do try, well. . .they will be well within their rights according to most other Wikipedia editors, and I can't think of any way I could really argue against them. BTW this is just a word of warning. I'm saying all this as someone who has done a lot of work trying to reduce the prominence of trans people's birthnames in their Wikipedia articles. Most of the non-trans editors seem to view this as a matter of historical record, and they operate off the precedent in articles about non-trans people like [[Muhammad Ali]] or [[Jon Stewart]]. Honestly, what really needs to happen is Wikipedia needs to write a official policy that actually and specifically stands in solidarity with trans people and our rights and dignity. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon. [[User:Picture of a Sunny Day|Rebecca Weaver]] ([[User talk:Picture of a Sunny Day|talk]]) 04:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC) |
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Learning to edit to fix the mistake about #girlslikeus being created for women of color, as Janet's blog specifically says that it was intended to bring together trans-women of all backgrounds here. If I do anything wrong I'm hoping someone will fix it. This is my first Wikipedia edit ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.7.29.36 (talk) 15:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, I move that Janet Mock's male-assigned birth name be removed from the article. Disclosing the birth-assigned names of transgender persons (or "deadnaming") serves no educational or research purpose for the general Wikipedia user, and does little more than delegitimize the identities and intrude upon the privacy of transgender persons. Wikipedia's WP: Gender Identity advises on the issue of legal/birth names: "Legal names have little to no relevance to our naming policy. Nor is the state a neutral arbiter of these matters. If there is a difference between a person's gender expression and the gender assigned to them by the state, basic respect requires us to side with the individual. The status of transgender rights, for instance changing one's sex on a birth certificate, varies widely by jurisdiction. We also should avoid saying an article should be a particular way because of a basic opposition to the notion of changing one's public gender presentation." In fact, since Janet Mock is Mock's legal name, there is no need to use her birth name in this article at all. Pinko1977 (talk) 22:30, 1 February 2014 (UTC)