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Robert Farrar

Any luck? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

A little - I've emailed you the results. - SchroCat (talk) 12:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Profumo

I see you've discoverd my current project. It should be peer-reviewable by the weekend, and I'll drop you a line then. Brianboulton (talk) 20:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Fantastic. I met JP a couple of times at Toynbee Hall while I was working at a local university, (the university had connections to the charity): he was a charming and delightful man with a lovely manner and a gracious sense of humour. I have always admired his reaction to the scandal, which should be used as a model for modern politicians whenever they err. - SchroCat (talk) 20:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Linlithgow

Could you explain to me why, according to your opinion, he received the title '1ste Marquess of Linlithgow' and not 'Marquess of Linlithgow' (see London Gazette). And, why the title should not be in bold.

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlecOostmalle (talk • contribs) 23:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Nothing to do with my opinion: it's to do with our Manual of Style. - SchroCat (talk) 00:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Which part of that manual? If you could tell me that, I would be very thankful.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AlecOostmalle (talk • contribs) 11:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

− *(talk page stalker) - When you come back from your block, see MOS:BOLD, which clearly is against the use you were promoting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:21, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I have explained to this editor, who asked the same question on my talk page. Tim riley (talk) 12:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Hopefully he will take the time out to make himself more au fait with the standard requirements! - SchroCat (talk) 12:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Skyfall/Thunderball

Thought you may be interested in knowing that Guinness World Records has confirmed that Skyfall has beaten Thunderball, adjusted for inflation. They have Skyfall's gross down as $1.108 bilion and Thunderball down at $1.047 billion. Obviously, different adjustment methods can lead to different estimates but Guinness is usually regarded as authoritative in the matter of world records. I was going to update the articles myself, but there isn't an obvious insertion point in the Skyfall article so I opted to let you integrate the content if you'd prefer. The citation is:

Guinness World Records 2014. Guinness World Records Ltd. 2013. p. 203. ISBN 9781908843159.

Betty Logan (talk) 17:59, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

That's great - many thanks Betty! I'll get onto that shortly. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 19:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Discovered this too: [1]. There may be a few interesting facts that can be harvested; for example, fact 16 gives us an adjusted figure for the 1967 Casino Royale which could replace our slightly naughty OR one. Betty Logan (talk) 20:32, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Shame we have 2005 figures for everything else! - SchroCat (talk) 20:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, the lack of adjusted data is frustrating. However, The New Yor Times has started pushing for adjusted data with changes to its stylebook, so hopefully these ludicrous false records that don't account for 50 years of inflation will hopefully come to an end: [2]. Betty Logan (talk) 20:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! Let's hope it works into our modus operandi soon: with each addition to the Bond table, the questionability of the data becomes ever-more obvious—to me at least! With no true and unquestionable measure of the inflation in box office, I can't wait to strip out the inflation columns as soon as the MoS changes! - SchroCat (talk) 21:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• As I've discussed with Wehwalt before, there's no "true and unquestionable measure of the inflation" anywhere... especially if we're throwing currency conversion into the mix. But agree, we should have published estimates. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Kenneth Horne

I notice you've reverted my deletion of the DOB in the main copy 'as per PR'. I don't know what this means. But the DOB is always quoted in the lede, as the natural reference point. So it is unnecessary to quote it elsewhere. It is a purely mechanical detail, not a value judgment. Valetude (talk) 08:17, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) - A lede should simply be a summary of the article, introducing no new information. Hence, the birth date should also be in the body of the article. See WP:LEDE, particularly "The lead section (also known as the lead, introduction or intro) of a Wikipedia article ... serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:27, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Indeed—exactly as above. Without the mention in the first section, the information is not supported by a citation, which isn't a terribly good thing for a good article. - SchroCat (talk) 09:05, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I take your point about the DOB, when there's a citation. But could I suggest that DOB's without a citation might be exempted from the rule about no extraneous info in the lede? It's the one item that everyone can find by going to the first line. Valetude (talk) 21:35, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm really not sure we would give exeptions to such a fundamental fact - and why on earth would we do that? I'm not sure that having the date of birth in the main body is such a heinous point that we give up on our rules about providing citations to support such information. - SchroCat (talk) 21:43, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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Gielgud's Holmes

I have somewhere - equally lost in the heaps of stuff chez Riley as the Horne tape I promised and failed to deliver - a tape of an interview with Sir Ralph and Sir John in which the latter cheerfully admitted that his attempts at accents when playing the disguised Holmes were the subject of impersonations at theatrical parties: "Bring the coals up, matey!" in impeccable Oxford English. Something he and Kenneth Horne had in common. Tim riley (talk) 20:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I listened to "The Adventure of the Empty House" a few days ago: it's the one where Holmes returns from the dead and surprises Watson by appearing in disguise as an old bookseller. I tell you one thing: it doesn't work on the radio when it's Gielgud's undisguised voice playing the role! - SchroCat (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Profumo affair

You've had a bit of a dabble at this – have you time to look in a bit more detail, at the peer review? I'd be very grateful. Brianboulton (talk) 21:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I certainly shall, over the next day or so - and I'm sure it'll be an interesting read. JP was certainly an interesting character, and one certainly worth the effort. - SchroCat (talk) 23:25, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

MP RV reply

Hmm, I'll keep that in mind about their relationship. But the reason I changed the thing about her having a small part in the films is because her part in Skyfall seems like more than just a small part since it's a main role. Seems better for it to say "Although she has a small part in most films..." rather than "Although she has a small part in the films..." Would it be acceptable to change just that part back? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 22:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Certainly would - I've done that bit for you. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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Sir Ralph

After my most stimulating and comprehensive PR ever, I have Ralph Richardson up at FAC. If you have time and inclination to look in, it will be esteemed a favour. – Tim riley (talk) 21:40, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

• It will be my pleasure! As soon as I'm done with Profumo I'll pop along. Pip pip - SchroCat (talk) 22:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The Tower House

I really appreciate your most helpful edits and your encouragement. Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure! - SchroCat (talk) 22:52, 4 February 2014 (UTC)