Talk:Shadism

Recommendation

I suggest that this topic be introduced in the High yellow article and that this one redirect there. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Good idea - if it gets some references pablo_hablo. 22:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

With respect, I quite disagree about the redirect. Shadism stands alone as its own concept, with its own presence in the academic literature. I would also warn against assuming that this concept only applies to (as noted in the high yellow article) "persons classified as black who also have a high proportion of white ancestry". As noted in the shadism article, this term applies to a much broader population of individuals. I do agree that a reference to shadism would be appropriate in the high yellow article. Best, Jaobar (talk) 01:40, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Redirect to Racism

This article redirects to racism, but a simple search the Racism article (or the High Yellow article) does not reveal the word Shadism in the entire article. Also, shadism is a spicific type of racism, namely, that some shades of Black are better than others. Racism is the general discrimination of one colored skin against another. Shadism applies to people of the same color skin, but different shades.

Recommendation

I suggest that this article be merged into colorism as it is a form of colorism and this article is to short as is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbowofpeace (talk • contribs) 06:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

No. They are different terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.53.80.46 (talk) 03:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Leave it please. Shadism and colourism are two different concepts. It is the specific term one should use in reference to internalized racism- and in refute to the made up "reverse racism."

Please see my comment about the redirect request to high yellow. User: Shaina390, who has greatly expanded the article, and I have discussed the distinctions between shadism and colorism, and it is clear that in the academic literature, these concepts are considered different. I'd recommend leaving it as is. --Jaobar (talk) 01:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps bother colorism and Shadism could benefit from links to each other? They are different enough subjects to warrant separate articles. SII&CT Alex (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the topic of "fairness creams" It may be a great idea to add some examples of fairness creams such as http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/beauty/Do-fairness-creams-work-magic/articleshow/9064048.cms this article from The Times of India provides a good discussion of fairness creams which help.SII&CT Alex (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Bringing up the terms "Snow White" is great, but you may want to include a bit on "Snow White Syndrome" as per http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8546183.stm SII&CT Alex (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

The article should also look at perceived cultural which equate of skin whiteness and wealth, which is partially the reason, other than beauty, why people pursue it. This is directly related to the colonial histories of many of the countries where fairness creams are sold because colonizers were most often European and had fairer skin than the people they conquered. http://www.sociodep.hku.hk/bbf/BBF%20Readings%20W2/W2%20Who%27s%20the%20fairest%20of%20them%20all.pdf SII&CT Alex (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

The "Pop Culture" Section may benefit from a small introduction of Shadism in pop culture such as: Shadism appears in pop culture all around the world. For example...(list a few examples from the sections discussed because it'll give readers an idea of what to expect in the coming sections) SII&CT Alex (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure if its worth bringing up that many people are discussing how now many North American people are getting tanned as a way of projecting their wealth. I don't know if this reversal is worth mentioning or if this article is the place to mention such a topic, but it may be worth considering. See this article if you are interested: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Perma-Tan-Is-a-Symbol-of-Wealth-and-Health-118008.shtml SII&CT Alex (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

You can also mention the diss which Vybz Kartel received from Mr. Vegas regarding his skin bleaching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTNuwV7NFHM SII&CT Alex (talk) 20:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Great article! In the section about the Hispanic Community it may be more accurate to define the community by indigenous, non-indegenous or Euro-Mexican. See Perceived discrimination among indigenous and non-indigenous Mexican-Americans living in the United States. Also, there's some interesting readings on the fallacy of discriminating by skin colour based on the experience of apartheid in South Africa. See Sorting Things Out. Overall you have covered the material in great depth and provided insight in the issue from many cultural angles. --Rauckstar (talk) 20:16, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Suggestions

Hi Shaina, Your article is very comprehensive. I like the way you explain the concept from different cultural perspectives. I think that is very ambitious and interesting.

One suggestion is that on the section "Studies on Shadism", you may want to include a more general summary of the past studies, or visualized data that explain the studies.

Since you have mentioned whitening products, masks, and etc. it would be interesting to have some pictures that illustrates people's action to become more "white".

Another suggestion is that if you want to write more about the Asian community, you may consider referring to the Asian standard of beauty. For example, in Asian, such as China, people not only use masks, but also umbrellas (in the summer even without rain) to avoid the exposure in the sun. (There is a famous Chinese saying says that : 1 "white" can cover 100 "ugly", which means that if one's skin is relatively white, it could help cover 100 ugly features of her body.)

Cheers, --Zhengya3 (talk) 20:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)