Talk:Hopi

Cleanup needed

This article is (imo) a mess. I intended to add a section on Si`italpuva, the Land Brightened with Flowers, from Plateau. Fall 2006 (a beautiful issue) -- but got sidetracked. I started the cleanup, but need help! TIA, Pete Tillman (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC) (Rimrock, AZ)

It appears that this website could be a good resource, but it should be verified before we use it to revise the article. Help? Pete Tillman (talk) 21:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

To Pete Tillman - that website is is not a good resource. It's a sales site for art and the Hopi info has been c+p'ed from other websites. Most sites like than on the internet are dubious at best.

Gregory Schaaf is a credible historian for this subject. Ancient Ancestors of the Southwest ( pub 1996 ISBN 1-55868-255-4) is a good basic primer... This page just gets worse and worse. It's been chopped and changed countless times and is full of inaccuracies and bad grammar not to mention photographs and images that many Hopi may find offensive. Better to tear the whole thing down and start over or just leave out... June 16 2009...Aarionrhod (talk)

Why don't you try to add some referenced improvements; and clean up inaccuracies where you can...Modernist (talk) 02:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

That would be a project in itself. Good suggestion, though obviously time consuming, but clearly needs doing. Am local, too. BTW, I like your page Modernist... Aarionrhod (talk)

I was just thinking the last time I visited Mishongnovi and the other towns on the other Mesa's was 34 years ago, and things were changing then...I can only imagine the changes today..Modernist (talk) 03:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Modernist - we're at 3rd mesa here. You'd probably be more surprised about just how little everything has probably changed! Plus ça change! Aarionrhod (talk) 01:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to return some day..I met some terrific artists at Hopid, back in the 70s...Modernist (talk) 01:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Modernist - Have added some small ref'ed bits and also added some names to the 'famous Hopi' list - am guessing you added many/most of the artists? Aarionrhod (talk) 03:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

A few...you are doing an excellent job..Modernist (talk) 03:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

adding to See Also

The two articles both Black Indians and the One-Drop Rule affects all people of native heritage. How are they not historical? Even though mixture with African Americans and Native American tribes from the west don't occur as much as the eastern and southeastern tribes by far. Those two articles are still apart of Native American history.Mcelite (talk) 04:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

The Hopi are a particularly indigenous group; with very closed social parameters. The two articles might pertain better to cultures that are more widely assimilated then the Hopi. The additions need to be specifically referenced to the Hopi culture and to the Hopi people. Modernist (talk) 04:47, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Agree. There are only a small handful of Hopi who have an African American parent/grandparent. Moreover, interesting to note that there exists a longstanding antagonism among Hopi, especially older Hopi, toward African Americans - I have been told that it originates from the 1800's when Buffalo Soldiers were dispached to Hopi. Aarionrhod (talk) 01:41, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Spirituality

Interessting Explanations of hopi-spirituality and actual efforts on http://www.ica8.org/

Shaq3 (talk) 12:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Zuni canteen?

I may be mistaken of course, but this "Arizona" pot on the photo looks very much like Zuni to me--Radh (talk) 05:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

[[''[[''The Navajo, or Diné, of the Southwestern United States are the second largest Native American tribe of Northern America. In the 2000 U.S. census, 298,197 people claimed to be fully or partly of Navajo ancestry.[1] The Navajo Nation constitutes an independent governmental body which manages the Navajo Indian reservation in the Four Corners area of the United States. The traditional Navajo language is still largely spoken throughout the region, although most Navajo speak English fluently as well. Navajo refer to themselves in their native language as Diné, which is translated as "the people" in'']] English.

Reservation Size

in this Section here it is told, the Reservation was increased 1992 to 1,500,000 acres (6,100 km²) - ok so far - but some lines later is here told, "...On their 1,800,000-acre (7,300 km²) reservation, there is a significant amount ..." - so suddenly they have 1,200 km² more than 1992? - thanks in advice -- Hartmann Schedel ^cheers 16:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC) Sorry but somebody forget to "end" the nowiki -- Hartmann Schedel ^cheers 16:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

What is the Hopi's diet ?

Please can someone add a section on the Hopi diet. It can be placed in the Culture section. --41.151.98.34 (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

This is far from a B-class article

This article appears to be written by people who have never been to the Hopi reservation.

The article completely fails to mention the spiritual dislike of the Hopi for photography and even (noted on signs around the Reservation) against sketching and note taking.

Examining a number of other books on the Hopi, those works which show interiors exclude photos of tribal members. Even the surrounding Navajo have a degree of sensitivity to picture taking reflected in their tourist documents, the National Park Service documents, and more (signage, but not to the extent of the Hopi). 99.2.229.105 (talk) 21:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Chipewyan people which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 09:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Cayuga people which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:44, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

Hopi people → Hopi – target is redirect to current title created by move by Kwami on May 17 2011 contrary to WP:UNDAB. Hopi (disambiguation) exists and is mentioned in current title's hatnote Skookum1 (talk) 04:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.

There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited. But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people". — kwami (talk) 12:49, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• Comment Since the general discussions of related moves at Talk:Cayuga_people and Talk:Chipewyan_people (mentioned above) have ended respectively as opposing the moves and without consensus, in the interest of uniformity I recommend closing this discussion. SteveMcCluskey (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)