Talk:Prince George of Wales

Prince George will never be Duke of Cambridge

I made an edit to the Prince George Wiki page a few days ago which I thought was quite reasonable to add but has now been removed.

In the section about his titles, I added that providing the succession to the throne continues as expected, Prince George will never hold the title of Duke of Cambridge. This being because when Prince William accedes to the throne the title of Duke of Cambridge will merge with the Crown and by William being King, Prince George will automatically become Duke of Cornwall (and likely made Prince of Wales) so the Dukedom of Cambridge wouldn't ever be held by him.

Could somebody please explain to me why this edit is somehow speculative as the reverting editor labelled it!

UK Royalist (talk) 10:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

The unsourced edit I reverted was worded "though as long as the succession to the throne continues as expected, he will never hold these titles". This is unsourced speculation, as well as "when Prince William accedes to the throne", "will merge", "will automatically become", "wouldn't ever be held by him" in your comment above. Per WP:SPECULATION: "Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included." and "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." I can think of at least one possible scenario where Prince George does become the Duke of Cambridge. HelenOnline 10:47, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I can think of two: a) his father predeceases him not having ascended the thrones, b) his father ascends the thrones and grants him the Dukedom of Cambridge. Helen is absolutely right. Surtsicna (talk) 12:37, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Err, that's why I prefixed it with 'if the succession continues as expected' - George would have no need to be granted Dukedom of Cambridge upon Prince William's accession. UK Royalist (talk) 12:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

A speculative statement prefaced with "if ..." is still speculation. This is not the place for it. HelenOnline 12:58, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I would argue that Prince George being the heir to his father's titles is an unnecessary inclusion in general. While he is the heir, he's not actually expected to inherit the titles (yes, that's speculation, but it's expected that the Dukedom will merge with the crown). It's not listed on Prince Charles' page that he is the heir to the title Duke of Edinburgh, even though he will inherit it if Prince Philip predeceases the Queen, so I don't see why it's necessary to include that Prince George is the heir to title Duke of Cambridge. Psunshine87 (talk) 02:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Does Subsidiary titles apply?

According to the rules of the Peerage of England (pree 1707), Scotland (pre 1707),Great Britain (post 1707), Ireland (pre 1801) and the United Kingdom (post 1801), the eldest son of the peer of the realm is entitled to use the highest ranking subsidiary title. Considering that Prince George of Cambridge's father is Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn and Baron Carrickfergus; doesn't it automatically makes George, Earl of Strathmore.

The issue already has precedent, where Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex's son is Lord Severn (the Earldom's subsidiary title). The Earldom itself is subsidiary to the Dukedom of Edinburgh pending merger.