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WikiProject Amusement Park Quarter 3, 2013 Newsletter

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WikiProject Amusement Park Newsletter Special (July 2013)

WikiProject Amusement Parks Newsletter Volume 1, Issue 3 July 2013 Special

Project News An interview involving this WikiProject will be featured in the Signpost's WikiProject Report on August 28, 2013. If there are any members who wish to take part in the interview, please go here to answer the questions. For members that use VisualEditor, as of the newsletter publishing date, most of the WikiProject's infoboxs and templates have very limited interaction with the editor. Over the next few months, code to allow full interaction with VisualEditor will be written. Currently, {{Infobox amusement park}} and {{Infobox attraction}} have code written but {{Infobox amusement park}} is not being actively used as VisualEditor has not noticed that the code is there, yet ({{Infobox attraction}} is working). Editor: Dom497 Sent out on July 18, 2013.

Dayton Metro Population

Hi. I wanted to request your assistance with the population figures for the Dayton Metro Area population. After reviewing the official U.S. Census Bureau Statistics for 2010, it is very clear that the population is 841,502 as referenced here: These figures should not be up for debate since they are published facts from a government agency. I though since you were an administrator to Wikipedia, that you might be able to help with the edit warring on this page. I would like to have the Dayton, Ohio page semi-protected for a short amount of time if possible. Thank you for any help you might be able to provide.Texas141 (talk) 22:06, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd be happy to weigh in on the article's talk page once I've had a chance to look at this more closely, but I should point out that I'm not an administrator – just an avid Wikipedian :) – so you'll want to take the request to the WP:RFP. I'm not sure there's enough evidence yet that it needs protected, however, since the issue is primarily with one editor under multiple IP addresses. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:13, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon for Ramona Park

Hello -

I am working with the East Grand Rapids MI Public Library as they embark on a GLAM project. I'm a mid-newbie, which is why I'm reaching out....

East Grand Rapids was the home to Ramona Park and to the Jack Rabbit Derby Racer [1]. As a kick-off project they would like to expand Ramona Park during an edit-a-thon. The Library is home to a local history room - a room filled to the ceiling with memorabilia, photos and artifacts from Ramona Park.

The plan is to upload much of this material via Commons (hopefully before the edit-a-thon on October 19, 2013 - coincidentally during Wikipedia Loves Libraries month).

One problem - there are few locally evident Wikipedia editors to actually show up at the library for an edit-a-thon.

Do you think if we set up a Google hangout, you might be interested enough to remote in? There is a possibility of a cool tee-shirt [2] donated by the library, too!

I might be able to provide you/this project with a preview of the historical materials - it seems to me there might be more than one article to create.

Also I've come up with a DYK candidate: Did you know that President Gerald Ford worked at Ramona Park, home to one of three derby racers in the US? (The Ford part is true, not quite sure of the derby racer stat, though!)

Thanks for your consideration, Bdcousineau (talk) 00:04, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:New Texas Giant logo.png)

Thanks for uploading File:New Texas Giant logo.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Werieth (talk) 21:14, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Reliable source?

Do you know if this is a reliable resource http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/? I've seen it used on wikipedia but there are reasons why it wouldn't be. Can you clarify if it is?Wackyike (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

The description of the site on its about page seems to indicate that it's an enthusiast-driven web site. It doesn't appear to be backed by a reputable publishing authority. Therefore, I'd be cautious when using it as a source and steer clear from it when possible. Now, one might argue that RCDB.com is a similar site that is enthusiast-driven and not properly backed. Yes, that's true. However, the consensus within the Wikiproject Amusement Parks community is that it's a reliable source. I've not heard the same about ultimaterollercoaster.com. --GoneIn60 (talk) 10:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

What about this one?http://thepointol.com/millennium-force/Wackyike (talk) 14:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

My vote would be not to use it. The Point Online is another fan-oriented site, that although may be fairly accurate most of the time, I wouldn't consider it a reliable source for Wikipedia. That's just my opinion, of course. The best place to discuss sources like these would be at the article's talk page and/or Wikiproject Amusement Parks to make sure there is consensus. You can also take it to the RSN (reliable sources noticeboard) if you're not satisfied with the response you get from other Wikiproject members. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

One more question. I don't understand why temporary ride closures without coverage in secondary sources are not tracked. I checked the notability page, but I didn't see anything regarding that.Wackyike (talk) 18:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

@Wackyike:: Sorry, didn't see this post until now. Information from first-party sources can be used to back information in an article, especially if those sources have been published by third parties in the past. An amusement park website would fit this criteria. However, when it comes to a ride's status, we don't need to constantly update it, if it's only down for a few days or so. Rides close all the time due to maintenance and other minor reasons. It's when the closure makes headlines that we typically want to update the status of a ride, because then we know it's notable enough to include the status. Notability is about significant coverage in published sources, and only having one source – whether primary or secondary – sometimes isn't enough. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I do not understand first and third party sources and what they represent. Same with primary and secondary. Also, how come when you put an at symbol before my user name it triggers my notifications?Wackyike (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

@Wackyike: That's correct. I used the Reply to template to notify you that I replied here. Pretty nifty, eh? A primary source is just another way of saying 1st-party source. A secondary source is a 3rd-party source that uses one or more 1st-party sources to make a claim. You can read all about the different kinds in more detail at WP:PSTS. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Editing

I'm a coaster enthusiast, a lot like you, and I went through the articles given already when I made my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boesball (talk • contribs) 17:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

What article did you base the statements from? We need to include that as an "inline" citation. Otherwise, it looks like original research which is not permitted on Wikipedia and will be challenged by other editors. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Some of the information is used from the Beast roller coaster site. I'll keep it deleted, though. Thanks for the help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boesball (talk • contribs) 19:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC) @Boesball:

No problem. I'm glad you want to contribute to roller coaster articles, as many of them still need a lot of work. Please feel free to add sourced content when you can (try to avoid "peacock terms" which are used for promotion or marketing), and if you have any questions, please feel free to ask here. Also, I left you a welcome message on your talk page. There are some useful links there to get you started on Wikipedia. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you're helping me very effectively. Thanks for the encouragements and constructional critizing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boesball (talk • contribs) 04:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Supposed vandalism

Hello. I clicked an image and received a notification that there was a new message.

I wanted to let you know this particular IP address is a publicly-used Chromebook for our high school library, which are handed out at random during checkout and returned whenever finished. So, we really have no way of catching whoever did it nor is it practical to monitor the usage of this particular Chromebook. I, as another student, apologize on behalf of my school and it's 1200 students.

Thanks and sorry if I have no idea how to use this feature properly.64.8.173.129 (talk) 17:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)rt

Yes, as your talk page indicates, your IP range belongs to the Office of Enterprise Technology. The notification you received was just letting you know that information was posted on that talk page. If you'd like to avoid these in the future, simply create an account on Wikipedia (which is free). You will then only receive notifications based on activity under that account instead of your IP address. Please review the "Welcome" dialog box on that page for more information. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:18, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

talk:Minesweeper (ship)#Requested move 2

I have renewed the proposal to move Minesweeper (ship) to Minesweeper, due to hundreds of links to Minesweeper referring to the ship. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 01:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Xbox 360

Where were you during these past two weeks? During that time period I've been working with a number of editors to ensure that the wording is neutral while remaining faithful to the sources, and your wholesale reverting was completed indiscriminant. At this point the onus is on you to take it to the talk page. Limefrost Spiral (talk) 20:02, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

@Limefrost Spiral: I checked your contribution history and the article's history, but I don't see any evidence of collaboration between you and other editors. There isn't a time-limit on disputes either, and rest assured that I will be addressing the issues on the article's talk page. Furthermore, you removed content that I added, which was unexplained on your part. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I should add that typically I visit Wikipedia once or twice a day, but due to recent holidays, my access has been very limited the last couple weeks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I was working with User:Arkhandar during your two week absence. If you point out the content that you added that I may have removed, then I should have no problem adding it back in. Limefrost Spiral (talk) 21:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

@Limefrost Spiral: Are you referring to the 2 or 3 edits that Arkhandar made challenging your edits on the basis of original research? If so, I'd hardly call that "working together". Seems more like a concession than a collaboration. In any case, I've reviewed the Legacy section more closely checking all the sources. Most of the content you've added is legit with a few minor grammar/punct issues. I plan to make a few changes, and if anything turns out to be major, I'll address it on the talk page. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Edits to Arrow

I've got to say I'm not really liking the recent changes you made to Arrow. I think you've introduced a number of errors in the third paragraph. There weren't several changes of ownership, and changes of ownership don't necessarily indicate a hardship. I know you found a reference that says the company declared bankruptcy twice, but that is not correct. When Bacon and Morgan decided to retire, they sold the company to Rio Grande Industries (first change of hands). Rio Grande sold to Huss (second change of hands). Huss got into financial trouble because of their dealings with the World's Fair and Darien Lake. Huss declared bankruptcy and that is when Toomer and Company negotiated a buyout and formed Arrow Dynamics (new company or third change of hands). Arrow Dynamics eventually declared bankruptcy after the 4th dimension coaster and S&S bought the assets. So I count two changes of hands, one reorganization and then the final bankruptcy. Rutherford's book simply states that the company changed hands — he does not say several times. Therefore I do not believe the statement in third paragraph about several changes of hands and re-emerging from a second bankruptcy is correct. Unless you find a better source that actually explains when and where a bankruptcy took place prior to Huss, I would not rely on the Harvard Business Press—JlACEer (talk) 22:56, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

@JlACEer: Thanks for bringing all that to my attention. We do need to find more sources to verify the information, so for now, we can revert back to some of the previous wording including getting rid of "hardship". However, I think a majority of the changes make the lead sound more professional and encyclopedic. We just need to work more on the content, so I agree with that. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Cedar Fair Railroads

I see you reverted my small additions to the Cedar Fair articles with three foot gauge railroads because you felt that the source cited is not reliable. Why do you believe it is not reliable, exactly? The table with the Crown Locomotive Works roster is based on a series of historical essays from a former Kings Island employee and a compilation of these essays can be found elsewhere on the same website at this link: http://www.trainweb.org/parktrains/Features/Crown%20Metals.html. This source is perfectly legitimate, and my changes should not have been reverted. Jackdude101 (Talk) 19:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

@Jackdude101: TrainWeb.org doesn't appear to be a reliable source. It looks more like a personal website. Wikipedia policy cautions against using what can be viewed as a "self-published" source, which you can read more about at WP:SPS. Reliability can also be impacted by a source's editorial oversight. I'm not so sure I'd rank TrainWeb.org up there with the Washington Post, Oxford Press, or the New York Times in that respect. Do you have evidence that this source has been accepted by the Reliable Sources Noticeboard (RSN) in the past? --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

@GoneIn60: I just made the relevant entry on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard (RSN), so we'll have to see what comes from that. The website definitely looks crude and amateur-like, but the information itself that the website provides appears to be legitimate. Jackdude101 (Talk) 20:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

MOS:IMAGES

I have opened a formal RfC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#Request for comment on the deprecation of left-aligned images under sub-headings,an issue on which you commented in previous discussion there. DrKiernan (talk) 09:53, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Elements

A designer from the former Arrow Dynamics designed the same model corkscrew design in at least 10 parks between 1975-1979. In addition, some additional designs additionally include a single loop inversion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrestwoodRocks (talk • contribs) 01:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

source on the corkscrew at Silverwood

Corkscrew was actually a prototype originally built on site at Arrow Dynamics in Mountain View in Santa Clara County, California (before Arrow Dynamics' relocation to Utah). Once Arrow Dynamics completed reviewing the design, members of the Knott's family personally opted to purchase the prototype. Ten exact replicas were produced 1975–1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrestwoodRocks (talk • contribs) 02:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@CrestwoodRocks: It's not that I didn't believe it's true. It just needs to be properly referenced before being added. The "Dubin" reference is a good one that should be used with a URL to the LA Times article. Also, you had the information about the replicas mentioned three times in at least one article, which isn't necessary. It shouldn't even be in the lead in most cases. Feel free to re-add the information with the source. I may swoop behind, move it around and/or make slight modifications. Thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Volcano, The Blast Coaster: Uncredited/Unsourced leaked information

I'd like to thank you for taking that down. I put it up immediately after a friend of mine who has intimate knowledge of Cedar Fair's future plans for Kings Dominion passed it to me via a cell-phone video he recorded during a board meeting last December during which concepts were shown for various additions and improvements for Kings Dominion were shown. After I put it up I started agonizing over the fact that some "spy" for Cedar Fair would snitch that information was being released without authorization, and my friend would be fired and possibly sued. So now, you understand why I couldn't so much as give you the name of my source, much less link the video to the article, for fear of retribution from the park and/or Cedar Fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.244.54 (talk) 23:07, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

@71.191.244.54: Whether or not your friend was willing to be identified doesn't really matter, unfortunately. He/she would NOT have been considered a reliable source on Wikipedia, and the information would have still been considered original research. Sounds like it worked out for you though. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:00, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Need help with SFMM

Can you help with the dispute resolution? I have an editor who has twice deleted Orient Express from from the SFMM page. He thinks that because it disappeared from the park's website that the attraction has been removed. See "Six Flags Magic Mountain". Thanks—JlACEer (talk) 07:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

@JlACEer: Looks like you guys have it pretty well covered. It's apparent that the park has historically treated the ride as a minor feature, which explains why its website doesn't list it (and hasn't for some time according to the links provided by Dom). I agree with the mediator that opening an RfC on the talk page would be a good move at this point. Cheers! --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:03, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

kings island list

If the lists are to be removed from the main page, they should be done so with information intact. The list on that page was missing much of the information in the original lists on the page. Other edits to the page were noted when removed.--Nickvet419 (talk) 15:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

also the only changes i made to the lists themselves were categorizing them into attraction type, and removing the heights along with adding the original list information back in from the main page.I guess the other heading discription can be left allone for now.--Nickvet419 (talk) 16:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

@Nickvet419: Let's discuss this on each article's talk page before rushing to make changes. Nothing will be lost, as I pointed out on KI's talk page. You tend to go missing for several months at a time, and when you stop back in, you make 30-40 edits in a very short period of time. I suggest messing around in a sandbox first, get it how you like it, then simply transfer it over. You'll make fewer edits that way making it easier for the rest of us to track. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:05, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

GoneIn60, I don't have much to say about this other than that when I created the article, the goal was to mention only basic info and get to the point (yes, the height requirements may be a bit trivial) which is what the article is. The point of the article is simply to list the current rides at the park....and keep in mind I created this before the whole "notable/not-notable" thing started.--Dom497 (talk) 22:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Amusement Parks Article Clean-Up

Recently, an issue has been brought up regarding the notability of many articles within WikiProject Amusement Parks. As a result, a page has been created regarding this issue as well as a possible solution (which will be on-going). In a nut-shell, certain articles will be picked to be reviewed in each stage and the WikiProject members (you) will decide if the article should be deleted or kept based on Wikipedia's notability guidelines.

I hoping this will work and if it doesn't, oh well...I tried.

More info can be found on the linked page above.--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC) Sent by Dom497

Hello. Thanks. Sorry, I posted that, finding out some infos about that release, but today I saw that it'll come earlier, respectively not Q4 as I expected. I don't know. How can I tell why I modified the page? Also, I have put a new topic on Resident Evil 6, and it was removed. I don't know why. Anyway, please tell me more. I'm sorry for any mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.104.9 (talk) 18:27, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

RTX is NOT Rooster teeth Expo

Go lookup rooster teeth and RTX their event held at austin, go look up what RTX stands for, its not rooster teeth expo, i can't provide a specific source but if you go and look at the companies ( rooster teeth) podcasts they clearly state RTX is NOT rooster teeth expo, the X can stand for a lot of things, its kinda like an X factor , they have lines there that are Xpress and Xperience, and the expo is not just about rooster teeth so they dont like it being unoficially called rooster teeth expo, the proof is the fact that various organizations and companies go to the RTX event, such as bungie, and maker bot ( the guys that make 3d printers) and the RT fans. RTX just means RTX its NOT an abreviation, so if you have brains you will just revert back to the changes i made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.159.27.116 (talk) 02:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I understand why you made the edit, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your viewpoint. The fact of the matter is that there is a inline reliable source that references the event as Rooster Teeth Expo. If the reference is incorrect, then you should replace it with one that clarifies what RTX is and/or explains why Roster Teeth Expo is incorrect. Making changes on Wikipedia without including a reliable source will usually get reverted, as was the case in this situation. See WP:CITE for more information and visit the welcome page for other tips and guidelines. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Watch this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4TkMdbscok , the Creators of the event clearly state that RTX stands for nothing. I'm only pointing this out because i sell merch over there. Jump to 1:13:55 and you can quote Gus Sorola.