Talk:WrestleMania III

Biased Reporting of the attendance figure

This article still having the worked attendance number is really sad. Wrestling is a carny business - to this day they still announce worked numbers. Even last years Wrestlemania 29 was announced as 80,676 when it was really 78,927(I don't even want to check if that's wrong on Wikipedia also it's too depressing). When all your sources are based on a false number announced by a company which everyone with any knowledge of the industry knows habitual lies about such things they're not much use as sources at all. At the least add something about the figure being disputed without that this page is just disseminating and reaffirming the lie. It's 78,000. Winterborn (talk) 00:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

This event was at least nearly 90,000. In 1982 the 49rs Bengals Superbowl was reported to be 81,270. This figure was reported in several news articles of that time, and I was at both events. My family lived in Detroit between 1977 and 1990. There were easily 10,000 more at Wrestlemania III since they totally packed the grounds that day, even the field. I can remember my Grandfather hoping to get parked and complaining bitterly. That figure of 78,000 is laughable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.8.177 (talk) 23:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what you or your family saw. The current attendance has six sources backing it up. –LAX 23:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and five of those sources got their info from WWE, which has been known to routinely lie about their attendance figures in the past. This quote from WrestleView should prove otherwise:

OK....this has been debated for so many years, but the number is definitely 78,000. I think Dave Meltzer was the first one to call this to peoples attention. Here's the facts as to why it was 78,000 (I'm writing this with Meltzer as a source). First of all you have to understand that the WWF back in those days routinely lied about attendance numbers on TV to make them bigger than they were. Zane Bresloff was the man whom promoted WrestleMania III for McMahon in Michigan. He and Dave Meltzer had a conversation on the phone years later about WrestleMania III. Bresloff was quoted as saying something to the effect of that the WWF has been quoting that 93,000 attendance number for so long, he thought they were starting to believe it themselves. Meltzer asked him whether or not 93,000 was the real attendance figure, and Bresloff said no. He later sent Meltzer a fax of the official statement from the building from back in 1987. This gave the attendance as being just over 78,000 with 23,000 comps. Meltzer had never even questioned the 93,000 number before, and the actual gate (money made from ticket sales) was the same on the fax as the number given to Meltzer by the WWF back in 1987 when he didn't even question the 93,000. Meltzer also was doing an article on WWE history where he had to research attendance, and officials let him go through records of all of their major shows (all the stadium WrestleManias, SummerSlam '92, etc.) In almost all the cases, the attendance numbers he found on the official records were different from the announced attendance figure on TV. They recently started announcing figures that weren't as inflated and pretty much accurate, starting with their big Royal Rumble at the Alamodome in 1997. Meltzer asked Vince McMahon himself why they used to inflate the numbers, because the shows were sold out themselves and the real number was impressive enough. Why add a few thousand? Vince was quoted as saying what appears on television people should consider for entertainment purposes. This actually isn't exclusive to WWE, as other forms of sports and entertainment often lie about the actual attendance to make it sound impressive. Such companies I could name as examples would be Pride and K-1. So in conclusion, the reason the WWE gave this inflated 93,000 attendance number was because they wanted to proclaim and all time indoor attendance record, and they had to beat an attedance number done by the Pope, while at the same time having an attendance figure that nobody would ever beat.

— WrestleView.com, ASK WV (9/27/03): WM III attendance, Hart/HBK, Sting/4 Horsemen, & More

On that basis, the 78,000 attendance figure is the one that should actually be used in the WMIII infobox, with a note that the 93,173 figure given by WWE was exaggerated by them for the reasons noted. Creativity-II (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Uh, no. This has been discussed before, and Meltzer's claim (CLAIM, not fact) is already mentioned. There is no proof that the 78,000 number is real. TJ Spyke 15:52, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Just because Vince McMahon makes a claim about something (i.e. WrestleMania attendance figures, whether for III or for XXV) does not always mean that it should be taken as gospel. I'll take Meltzer's word over a known "history reviser" like Vince McMahon any day. Creativity-II (talk) 07:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

No offense, but anyone who drinks Meltzer's coolaid (he has a known bias against WWE and has for years, he also doesn't like American wrestling all that much) needs serious help. Besides, Meltzer offers no proof for his claims. TJ Spyke 15:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

And WWE offers no proof for their claims. This is somehow OK, huh? Your claim that Meltzer is biased (or is known for being biased) is odd, as his reputation is one of fairness and accuracy. Do you have any proof for that claim? If you don't, it should be withdrawn for BLP reasons. Santa Claus of the Future (talk) 16:50, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

First, BLP refers to articles, not comments on talkpages. Second, WWE would have more knowledge of how many people attended their event than some wrestling "journalist" (and I use "journalist" lightly here). The bias I am talking about is, admittedly based on observations, that he doesn't like WWE and strongly prefers Japanese wrestling over American wrestling and even among American wrestling he prefers indy feds over the major promotions. He's like a movie critic or music critic who thinks that indy movies/artists are generally better than those from the major studios. TJ Spyke 16:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

This'll be my last comment here, as I don't want to spend a lot of time debating this. 1) It's my understanding that BLP applies to all pages. There is a section of WP:BLP that addresses non-article space, and this shows that at least some people agree with this interpretation. 2) I agree that WWE would have more knowledge about this, however, IMO, they would also have more reason to lie about this. 3) I'm glad that you say that his supposed bias is based on observations, and hope that you'll agree with me that reasonable people can disagree about that. Thanks for your time. Santa Claus of the Future (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, I think the WWF sold around 78,000 tickets and gave away freebies to blow up the attendance record. What could have happened is that 10,000 had freebies, but that is unlikely. TJ, Meltzer is a serious historian. The WWF shouldn't be a source. They do exaggerate numbers. - Imp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.193.112 (talk) 05:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

TJSpyke, do you have an alternative to Dave Meltzer? For a "journalist", he seems well respected by people like Dana White who let him serve as a judge for a UFC event. Meltzer's coverage of the Survivor Series Screwjob and the steroid trial has had no rival. But the WWE's history, until really recently, had that Bret Hart screwed Bret Hart. But go ahead and read your mark magazines. 76.173.193.112 (talk) 05:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC) Imp

The standard process now for this type of issues is to go with the officially-quoted figures for events. In sports and entertainment in general, it's commonplace for attendance figures to be exaggerated. But it's also difficult to reliably disprove official figures and it's not our place to be investigative journalists. Therefore, all Wikipedia articles which mention audience attendence levels state the official number. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 22:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Report

We need to come up with a better term than "report" and change it on all articles that use this section name. It just sounds bad. Although, I honestly don't see the need for this supersection anyway. I took it out but it was replaced with the reasoning that it had been used in other articles. --Naha|^(talk) 16:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't really think of a better term than report. Maybe bring it up at WP:PW and see what others think. Davnel03 17:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah either can I, which is why I didn't suggest one....I was hoping someone else could. Something about the term "report" just seems wrong for the scope of an encyclopedia article. It makes it sound more like a "listing" or a "news report" than an article. --Naha|^(talk) 19:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

How about HISTORY? Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 21:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

or RECAP? Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 21:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

December to Dismember (2006)

Please see this article; Danvel really outdid himself with this PPV article. I think we should base the report on this article after D2D. We have to make Wrestlemania III as good as this article. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 21:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment! Right, looking at the page the Background section looks complete, but the Event section needs A LOT of work doing to it to achieve GA status. So does the aftermath at little (look at ONS 2005 and 2006 for an idea on how to write these sections. Davnel03 16:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I just came to my computer. Well, I was working on the Background section last night, and hopefully, tonight I am going to work on Event. Like I said, I have been using your article (D2D) as the MODEL ARTICLE. It has been working great. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 23:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Your using it as the model article, yet you're saying that D2D is in-universe? Davnel03 08:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Background

Well, I think I have edited the Background section to its prime, so I think I'm gonna take a break today. I may go later on and edit the Event section. Please, point out errors or add information to the Background section, as I will greatly appreciate it. Also, it is full of references, but if you find a reference for anything unreferenced, I will also GREATLY appreciate it. I am trying to get this article up-and-running to become a GA. Thanks, Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 23:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

PS. Thanks User:Nikki311 for the fixes. I forgot to Preview first. :S

• I got all the information from other articles here on wikipedia (Hercules, Billy Jack Haynes, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, George Steele, etc.

Event

I have now written the event section. I find it pretty good. If there's anything you find wrong with it... well you're just a click away. :P Cheers, Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 09:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames and Articles

I think nicknames and articles should be included in the wikilinks. Someone changed them, and I have no problem, but I think that they look better the other way (ex. "Mean" Gean Okerlund instead of "Mean" Gene Okerlund; The British Bulldogs instead of The British Bulldogs. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 01:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I like how that looks better. FamicomJL 01:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Since I did it, i'll explain why. Basically, it says the same info with less writing (instead of basically writing the same thing twice just to add "The" or a nickname to the link) and helps keep the length of the article (in bytes) down. It's not a big deal to me either way though. TJ Spyke 01:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

What does this article need to become a GA?

Well, I can't review this article, because I wrote most of it, so I just want ideas for this article and someone to answer the question above. Thanks, Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 16:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Everything, and I mean everything, needs to be sourced by reliable sources. Also, the sentence structure presently is short and choppy....so that also needs to be fixed. Nikki311 17:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It is sourced by reliable sources. A lot of this info is from wwe.com. And please explain the "short and choppy"? Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 17:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Most of the event and background info you added does not have sources. Practically every sentence should be sourced. If you check the history, you will see that prior to your additions, practically every sentence was sourced. Furthermore, the sentences are all made up of only one clause, which reads awkwardly. Good writing is usually composed of a variety of sentences with a variety of clauses. Instead of "I have a dog. I walked my dog. My dog's name is Sally. We went to the zoo.", a better sentence would read "I have a dog, Sally, who I took on a walk to the zoo." Also, all of the transitions are the same: "In this match" or "In the next match of the night". Using different transitions would be better. I've already fixed some of it. I'll try and fix some more of it later. Please trust me on this. I've passed seven Good Articles, so I know what it takes for an article to be one. Nikki311 18:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

When I leave a sentence without a reference, it is because the reference next to the next sentence, qualifies for both. I am not going to be redundant and write the same reference multiple times. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 22:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

You can use the wiki template for sourcing multiple sentences with one reference. Add <ref name= > with a title after the equals sign instead of just <ref>. Then, for all the subsequent sentences using the same reference, use <ref name= />. You can look through the article and see how I did it. Plus, every sentence that comes from a source needs to be attributed to that source, or else it is plagiarism. It has to be 100% clear that you got it from somewhere. Nikki311 02:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Nikki. I didnt know about that template. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 14:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Area of confusion

In the "Event" section, I'm confused by the description of the Savage-Steamboat match. Based on how it's currently written, it sounds like the two came to the ring, Savage attacked Steamboat before the bell and Steamboat was immediately taken to the hospital. If this is the case, how did the match take place? GaryColemanFan 22:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

That should really be in the background section. That happened on an episode of Superstars of Wrestling, and is what led to the match at WrestleMania in the first place. FamicomJL 22:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Got rid of the sentence. When I re-wrote the article, the sentence was there. I didnt know if it was true or not, but because it was referenced, I left it. I just opened the reference to find that the link didnt say anything about Steamboat going to the hospital. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 22:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll move it to the background section. Nikki311 02:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture/Improvements

This article has gone through major improvements. Do you think it's ready for a GA nomination?

• Also added a Andre/Hogan picture I found on some site.

Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 23:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't. I strongly oppose nominating an article for a GA review with an untrue statement in the fair use rationale for one of the images. The Steamboat-Savage picture is not used on "various websites." It is used only on the WWE website. Ignoring the issue won't make it go away. GaryColemanFan 21:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

In fact, as I understand it, all of the images are too large for Fair Use to apply. They would have to be reduced in size (the guideline is 300x300, in order to ensure that they do not exceed 100,000 pixels). GaryColemanFan 22:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

GA Nomination

As cleared by on the project talk page, I have been allowed to nominate the article for GA status. This is an extremely well-written and excellent article which will easily make GA. Commments and criticism is welcomed. Cheers, Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 01:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

In reality, Haynes and Hernandez had reignited a feud that went back through every federation the two were ever in together.[citation needed] You'd best fix that if you want GA. Tromboneguy0186 21:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 Done - I got rid of the sentence, because I didn't know if it was true. I got the exact sentence from Billy Jack Haynes. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 23:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, from that section: It's been a while since I've watched it, but I am 99.99% sure that Haynes/Hernandez was not a chain match. Someone may want to check on that. I would, but the WWE website is not kind to my computer. MookieZ 04:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com calls it a Full Nelson Challenge ([1]). This ([2]) makes it sound like the match could only be won by the Full Nelson. I will change it. TJ Spyke 04:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

GA review

The article looks good and is certainly up to the standards of some other PPV articles, but there a few things that need clearing up.

1. Could a better image of the Andre/Hogan match be used? Perhaps one of the two facing off at the beginning of the match, which has become somewhat iconic. The image right now is just a screenshot of a generic moment in their match.

Is this a legitimate concern? Feedback ^☎ 18:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, because per the fair use policy, images have to illustrate something talked about in the match, and while the match is discussed, the image right now is just a screenshot of a random moment.

Excuse my ignorance, but I have never heard of such policy. May you please cite where in WP:FU it says so. Feedback ^☎ 20:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• • Also, no other image can be found of the Hogan-Andre match. But, any image is better than none. Feedback ^☎ 20:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

1. Some parts are confusing and need clearing up, such as "On January 26, 1987, the British Bulldogs lost the WWF Tag Team Championship to The Hart Foundation in a match that saw the Dynamite Kid so debilitated that he was carried to the ring by Davey Boy Smith and did not see much physical action." Was he was injured during the match? If so, why did Davey Boy have to carry him to the ring?

He was injured before getting into the match. It clearly states he was debilitated, Davey carried him to the ring, and did not see much physical action. What is so confusing?

Because the wording ("a match that saw the Dynamite Kid so debilitated") insinuates that he was injured during the match.

It does not insinuate that he was injured during the match. However, it does not specify how he got debilitated, so I will reword it. You could have changed such a small concern as this one by yourself. Feedback ^☎ 20:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

1. Could there be a bit more about the legacy event? Even after 20 other Manias, it's still considered one of the best, so it would be nice to see a larger section.

WP:NPOV and WP:WEASEL states that we cannot do so. Feedback ^☎ 18:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What? Please point out a policy that says that there can't be a sourced reception section. I've seen plenty of FAs with reception/influence sections.

If I write: "Wrestlemania III is considered one of the best sport events in history", it would violate WP:WEASEL, even if I add sources from different websites. WP:NPOV also states that articles should be written in a NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW; meaning anyone who hated the PPV must be comfortable reading the article. Feedback ^☎ 20:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Lex, Scorpion does have a point. Yeah, I agree, writing "This was the best PPV ever" would obviously violate NPOV. However, with the FA December to Dismember (2006), I have a little bit in the Aftermath part about the reception. I obviously haven't put "this was the crappiest event ever", but what I have done is put that many people thought the PPV was bad. If you could do something like that for this; possibly say "Many wrestling writers have stated that this is one of the best PPV's ever", and give five or six references after (with quotes), there is no reason to remove it. Davnel03 15:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but using the word "many" violates WP:WEASEL. Feedback ^☎ 01:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

1. It was also released on DVD on it`s own and you can find a review of that here.

I don't think some guy named "MATT MACKINDER" who works for Canoe is notable enough to use his review. Feedback ^☎ 18:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the Canadian Online Explorer is an extremely reliable source and is used on many of the other PPV articles. In fact, you use John Powell's review and it's from the same website, so what makes his opinion more notable than Matt Mackinders? You're replies are coming off as being a tad hostile, calm down, all I did was review the article. --

I'd feel more comfortable writing in a review of Rotten tomatoes or IMDB, but I will add the DVD release soon. If my comments seem hostile, I apologize; it was not intentional; I'm just a little wikistressed. Feedback ^☎ 20:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Once these concerns are addressed, I will promote the article.

-- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

There used to be an image in this article of the two of them facing off, but it's gone now. Once you add info about the DVD release, I'll consider all of my concerns addressed. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

It's been a week since the review, but since it's the holidays and it's over a small thing, I'll give you a few more days to work on it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

We must remember that lack of images is not a rationale for failing a nomination, I recon that finding free images will be quite hard seeing that we are dealing with WWE here. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you misread my statement. I said that we have to use fair use images, so why not use one that illustrates a key part of the ppv, like Hogan and Andre facing off at the beginning, which has become somewhat of an iconic image. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that Hogan slamming Andre is probably the most iconic moment in the event, that way the rationale for its use can claim that its a "historic event" imposible to replicate due to the death of one of the participants. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Either way, the image right now is just of a random moment in the match, so I'd like to see it switched to something like Hogan and Andre facing off or Hogan slamming Andre. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I have replace the Hogan/Andre image. Please tell me if you think the image is better. However, I still don't think the DVD release is notable, and eitherway, because it is a re-release of the VHS sold in 1987-1988, not much sources have reviewed the DVD. Feedback ^☎ 13:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The image is a bit better, and I guess you're right about the DVD, but could you at least add a few more sentences about the legacy of the event? As long as it's sourced and you avoid a few choice words it wouldn't be too weaselly. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The DVD release is not a just a re-release of the VHS one. It includes a bonus disc that features: a second version of the event that features pop up bubbles with different facts (like the what VH1 used to do with music videos on "Pop-Up Video"), interviews that different wrestlers did at the time of the event, the full contract signing of Andre-Hogan and a 20 man battle royal from SNME. TJ Spyke 22:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

All re-releases include something extra, but in this case, it's not something so extreme that it deserves it's own section in the article. (No other PPV articles include DVD sections) Feedback ^☎ 05:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be its own section, it could just be a sentence or two in the Aftermath section. As well, this sentence: "Because of the success of WrestleMania III and to capitalize on the feud between Hogan and André, the Survivor Series event was created" needs a source. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I shall find a source momentaraly; also, I added another image, so please review it. Feedback ^☎ 05:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added a source. Feedback ^☎ 05:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Better Hogan-Andre Image	Done
DVD information	Done
Source for Survivor Series statement	Done

The above concerns have been addressed. Any more concerns? Feedback ^☎ 05:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

One of the images is from YouTube, which is a big no-no since linking to sites that violate copyrights (which YouTube does by illegally hosting WWE video) is not allowed. The image is of Brutus Beefcake. TJ Spyke 06:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I just checked and BOTH images are from YouTube. I don't know if that would stop it from becoming a GA, but I know it will never become a FA that way. TJ Spyke 06:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter to me where the images came from. All of my concerns have been addressed, so I am pleased to grant this article GA status. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 06:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Two of the pictures are from a source that is not acceptable. I hope it does become a true GA eventually, but with the two current pics I do not feel it qualfies and will soon start the process to have it de-listed. TJ Spyke 06:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Your argument might actually be credible if it wasn't for this. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 06:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a big difference. The person who uploaded that video to YouTube owned the copyright and thuse gave YouTube permission. WWE (the copyright owner of WrestleMania III) never gave permission for their stuff to be uploaded to YouTube and has had their videos taken down in the past. So the example you gave is allowed, anything from WWE on YouTube is not allowed since it is a copyright violation. TJ Spyke 06:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

That's why the image has a Fair Use Rationale. Feedback ^☎ 21:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

FUR only covers whether the image can be used or not, not whether the source of the images ia acceptable (which it is not in this case since they are copyright violations). TJ Spyke 23:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

What's a better source for the televised match, than a video of the match itself? Feedback ^☎ 23:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The source is YouTube since that is where you got the image from, you yourself said so when you uploaded it. YouTube does not have permission to host WWE video, so they are illegally providing it. This is a pretty clear copyright violation. TJ Spyke 23:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Until the video is taken down, we can't 100% deem it a copyright violation. So, until WWE takes down the video (like it has done in the past with other copyright violations), the image should stay. Feedback ^☎ 23:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems to me the burden of proof is on people claiming that the copyright violations are allowed by WWE. TJ Spyke 23:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

That isn't like but not impossible. Feedback ^☎ 23:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

And anyway, basically, a picture of the defining match in professional wrestling history would better the article. Which WP:IGNORE and WP:IAR? state that if a rule stops you from improving an article, then you should ignore it. Feedback ^☎ 23:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not stopping you though. I already said how you can get the exact same images LEGIT. Just rent or buy one of the two WrestleMania III DVDs ("WrestleMania Anthology Volume I" or "WrestleMania III Championship Edition") and take a screen cap (on your computer). Thus you can get the same images without sourcing to a copyright violation. TJ Spyke 00:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

But the images won't be different. I'd be taking out this image, to put the exact same image back (because the image is a screen cap of the match on DVD). I don't see any difference of me taking out the picture, and uploading the same one again stating that I rented the DVD. Feedback ^☎ 00:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I've already said this multiple times: it's not the IMAGES that is the problem, it's the SOURCE of them. If you take a screencap of the event, that is far different than linking to a source that is illegally hosting video of the event. TJ Spyke 00:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Fine. I'll change the source to the DVD. It's not lying; it is a screencap of the DVD. Feedback ^☎ 00:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't plan to just change the edit summary of the images to say it's the DVD, because that would be lying since that is not where you got the pics from. TJ Spyke 00:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You didn't note the sarchasm? Feedback ^☎ 00:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha, no. Sarcasm is sometimes hard to detect online though. TJ Spyke 01:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hogan vs Andre

someone removed my line of text saying that WM 3 had the legendary main event Hulk Hogan vs Andre the Giant for the WWF Championship. That match is a legcy! Why cant I put it? --Harvey "Two-Face" Dent (Muhaha!!) 14:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

You can say that that was the main event, but words like "legendary", "notable", and "legacy" are POV. See WP:PEACOCK for more information about why words like that have no place in an encyclopedia. Thanks. Nikki♥311 17:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

"Largest paid crowd."

Regardless of whether you believe there were 78,000 or 93,000, this is still flat-out wrong. The World Peace Festival in Pyongyang in 1996 drew 190,000. Admittedly, I can't find out if this was a paying crowd or not, but, even more interesting is the fact Summerslam 1992 in Wembley legitimately outdrew Wrestlemania III. Citing WWE as the source of WMIII being the largest event in wrestling, quite frankly, is a lot like citing Wikipedia. WWE's figures are always going to be inflated and shouldn't be taken as fact. 75.179.3.77 (talk) 22:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Unless you have a reliable source stating another event outsold it, the line will stay. And you have no proof WWE's numbers are wrong. Also, the World Peace Festival was in Los Angles in 1996. You are thinking of Kollision in Korea. TJ Spyke 23:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

TJ Spyke, it's scary to think Wikipedia is controlled by hacks like you. Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer is a source and a strong one at that. I've been reading the Observer for years. It's no secret Meltzer wasn't a fan of 80's WWF, but I never once saw Meltzer pretend that the WWF wasn't a financial juggernaut. As for "Kollision in Korea", I have read (with no source) that it wasn't a paying audience. There is no way any event would draw such a huge number when North Koreans didn't even know what pro-wrestling was. - Imp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.193.112 (talk) 05:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Saying SS92 outdrew WM3 is ridiculous. Either you believe WWF's numbers, in which case 93k is greater than 80k and WM3 drew more, or you don't believe WWF's numbers, in which case SS92's numbers are no more reliable than WM3's numbers and you can't compare them at all.06:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.116.97 (talk)

Dark Match

There was a dark match that took place at Wrestlemania III. I can't remember who the participants were at the moment, although it may come to me. Someone must know. It should be included in this article, as it was still part of Wrestlemania III. It just wasn't televised.Mk5384 (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a source? None of the sources I have seen mention any dark match happening at this event (and the sites I check always mention the dark matches for PPV's). TJ Spyke 01:05, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The only source I have is my own memory, which is why I haven't included it. Like I said, its participants are on the tip of my tounge, and may come to me yet. I was just hoping that someone would have this information.Mk5384 (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I stand corrected on this one. It was Wrestlemania VI. All of this time I was thinking of the wrestlers coming to the ring on the motorised carts, and that's what threw me, as the same method was used at Wrestlemania III.Mk5384 (talk) 23:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC)