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I don't know how to respond so I'll post this here. You can delete if when you've read it. The lead singer is in a band called Codec (Facebook search: Codec Band) and their bio states they broke up in 2010 I think it was. I messaged them a while back and they said via MySpace message that they'd broken up.

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About previous talk

Sorry, maybe I am too sensitive. My recent edition focused on Luo but it is because of the discussion. Actually,I am also surprised about that. In my previous plan,I just want to spend maybe 1 or 2 in that article. The discussion is beyond my plan. I am not admin so do not spend much time for edition in wiki. I may edit one or two article per a day or even spend a week for one article. This two weeks I spend all time for the discussion so my recent edition is all about this. Actually I do not feel there is something wrong with Wikipedia policy. I think the problem is the list of source in wiki video game project is more about video game and there is no source about e-sports here. Thus I think Viedo game project group may need to add more online source about e-sports as the reliable sources. Then I see you and another admin think about merging article Luo in another article but you don't discuss this anymore. I have stated my opinion and don't want to join the discussion how to merge or other kind of way to deal with anymore. Sorry to disturb and thanks for your explain.Miracle dream (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2014‎

What are you doing?

Why are you putting not in source for book references? No book quoted in the majority of video game related articles links directly to a source. So I don't understand the logic here, because it's from a book regardless. TheKingsTable (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Its plain and simple. You linked to a Google Books entry, and a book listing at Amazon. At no point in those links do they say 4 million copies sold for Bubsy 1. That's why I added the "not in citation" tag. Nowhere in the links does it give that sales figure. Sergecross73 msg me 18:20, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh I see, well recently I found a more straight forward source and replaced it. That source my be better. The old one was based on "I think we sold this" so it probably was not the most reliable. The current one is more reliable. TheKingsTable (talk) 00:45, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

While I think it still suffers from one of the main points above (the link still doesn't give a figure), as you said, at least it seems like a more reliable, third part account, and seems a little more feasible... Sergecross73 msg me 02:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Got a problem.

You're an admin. There seems to be a problem with a user randomly reverting my edits and spamming others talk pages without any reason by saying I am a sockpuppet. It's becoming an issue and I was hoping you can provide a solution for this issue.

Take a look at the bottom of this talk page here and the history of the talk page here.

Also notice here that the last 2 edits on top by the same user were reverted "just because" with no real reason than accusations in the edit summaries, he also currently edited a few other pages. Then there is this user, encouraging the issue. So this may become a problem.

What is recommended? TheKingsTable (talk) 17:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I can see both sides of the issue. On one hand, if they're so sure you're a sockpuppet, they should report it to WP:SPI, not use it as an edit summary. If it comes back negative, as in, you're not a sockpuppet, then that'll quash that right away. On the other hand, they may have a point too. I've come across the same issue with you in the articles I monitor. Many of your edits are very sloppy, with typos, capitalization issues, and flow. (You reintroduced/re-defined the PC port of Bubsy twice in the reception section, when it was already defined, for example, and you've had a few sentences that ramble on too. Perhaps it would be good to slow down a bit, and be a little more careful with your edits, and maybe you'll be met with less resistance? This also goes into what I was telling you before, where you'd probably have an easier time working things out with people if you weren't so aggressive...

I'll ask the other editor about the sock puppet comments though. Sergecross73 msg me 18:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I am still quite confused whenever you say I am "so" aggressive. It's not like I am sending people hate mail or angrily posting on their talk pages saying their edits are wrong. TheKingsTable (talk) 18:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Saw the post you pinged me on. I have been involved in this whole situation since early January, so I would be happy to fill you in. The whole situation revolves around a user named jakandsig, who is currently blocked for edit warring and sockpuppetry. There have already been two SPIs filed against him, which have resulted in three accounts being blocked as socks (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jakandsig/Archive). Each time a sock gets blocked, another has appeared to carry on editing the same articles. The last of these socks, Kombat Police made his last post on February 14, this account appeared two days later and has targeted several of the same articles, advanced several of the same views, is active during similar times of the day, and exhibits some of the same behavioral issues as the previous users. There is a pretty convincing pattern here, and I am not the only video game article editor who thinks so. I may file an SPI at some point, but its never a good idea to rush into any administrative action in my view, so I have been mostly observing. I think you will find that I still take each of this user's edits on its own merits, and a look at the edit history of Asteroids (video game) will show that I interceded in this dispute and reworked this user's edit so that it fit properly within the larger article. Anyway, I hope that clears things up for you a little. Indrian (talk) 18:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, @Indrian: I thought you handled that well, and that's been the only way I've had any luck with content matters with the editor too, rather than reverting his sloppy additions wholesale, I've tried to rework them into a useable form. Anyways, I certainly see the similarities, as far as an unwarranted rage in the edit summaries, and sloppy additions. Can you add this name to his on-going list of SPI reports? (I've personally never added a new name to an old report.) If you would help with that, I'll read up on the past SPI cases and whatnot, and once I'm knowledgeable with that, I'll be able to identify his socks better on my own, and block any clear cases of block evasion. Sergecross73 msg me 18:48, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I have not dealt much in the SPI process (I commented on all of the Jak investigations, but did not actually start them), but I believe adding this user would require opening a new SPI, which I would be happy to do if you think I should. There are also several more accounts that should be added as part of this (See User talk:Indrian#You don't suppose.... for several short-lived accounts that appear to be part of the barrage) as well as a couple of anons as well. It has been quite the adventure for a couple of months. Jak's block expires sometime tomorrow, after which I will probably file an RFC/U against him. I already have several other editors on board for such an action, but have been waiting until his block expires, because it does not seem right to take action against a user unable to defend himself. Anyway, let me know how you would like to proceed here. Indrian (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

What? I can clearly see that I have not "tackled" several of the same articles just by looking at the users history. Neither have I advanced the same "views" either, the edit summaries of the user make that seem pretty clear to me. I would also like to point out that Indrian actually did not fix the dispute at all with the Asteroids article. In fact, you will see that the disruptive user actually was fine with it, but then removed it after only because he though I was a sock puppet. so you thinking that he "handled that well" is highly suspicious.

Either way something should be done about the issue NOW so it does not become a bigger problem later and I get less of a headache. Also Unwarranted rage in the edit summaries? Really? Adding to this, there was another accuser of this same topic some days back, apparently it did not die then, so might as well have all my accusers ride on the same train so all this can be squashed at once so people can leave me be. @TheTimesAreAChanging: join the party, you were talking about this a couple days ago after sending that negative comment to my talk page. Shame to, I was right in the middle of getting Alcazar: The Forgotten Fortress to GA status, all I had to do was wait until I could upload images and the put in the rest of the references, sigh. TheKingsTable (talk) 18:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, this is exactly why you come across so many problems, and what I'm talking about when I say you give off a vibe of "unwarranted rage". You come storming on to my talk page, demanding action "now" in all caps and bolded. This is a volunteer project. A hobby. And yet you come in here demanding action, as if people answer to you or something. You don't speak nicely with people, you respond aggressively, and you constantly revert people without acknowledging their concerns or discussing on the talk page. You come across so many issues because you present yourself so uncharismatically. I find it very concerning that so many people think you're this blocked editor - if its true, you're breaking policy by editing at all, and if you're not, then you're just handling yourself so poorly, that people think you are this really bad, difficult other editor. Either way, you're being very disruptive.

@Indrian:, if you have to time and motivation, I'd recommend filing an WP:SPI. I don't have a ton of time on my hands, so I can't really do it myself, I'll only have the time to check in here and there throughout the day. Same goes for an WP:RFC/U. Sergecross73 msg me 20:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I came storming into your talk page? Did you read the first few parts were a kindly asked for you assistance? Apparently not. Also I constantly revert? The last few reverts were made by one user for no reason, so yes I reverted those back, and outside those few anime articles, I have barely reverted at all much, but expanded, and clearly other times I do see peoples "concerns" because in many articles I reword or change the sources from what they tell and that's why I have so many articles in my history page with the word (current) next to them since I joined the site. Along with having no one have issues with the NEW pages I made. So I have no clue what you have seen that gives you any ground to claim anything you just said. You seem to be looking through a narrow tunnel and just coming to a conclusion based on that. It might be why you think I am showing "rage' when there is clearly nothing to show that, especially compared to the account I am accuse of being of. Rage is angry, aggressive is also related to angry and intimitating, I have not been calling you names or sending negative messages to your talk page (guess what, happened to me), I have not been reverting peoples edits every 5 seconds, I have not been removing pages, or trying to get others users to ambush someone, so I view your label of "unwarranted rage" as nonsense.

There had been next to no issues until recently because of one random user sparking it up. Why do you think that is? Do I need to list all by expansions and new pages that apparently no one has problems with since you claim I have been "not been speaking nicely" to people, "not addressing concerns" and "constantly revert" people? Funny thing is that this is as close to "rage" as I have gotten since I been here and even this does not qualify. I will admit that I am not being the most cuddly user around, but there's a difference between that and the make believe "ignoring peoples concerns" that you are making up in your head. TheKingsTable (talk) 20:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Look, I don't know what to tell you. You're clearly rubbing everyone the wrong way, and coming off as rather brash and angry, or you wouldn't have such a large variety of users upset with your actions. One or two could be a coincidence, but I count at least 5 people, amongst my talk page and yours, who are unhappy with your interactions or edits. There's no way that' a coincidence. Please take a long, hard look at how you word things, how you talk to people, etc. Right or wrong, people are much likely to work with people who act nicely, are humble, ask, not demand, etc, and are most likely to violently oppose those who are so thoroughly difficult. How can you ask me to defend your actions, when you're rude, rash, making edits with lots of typos, improper sourcing, etc. I can't. Sergecross73 msg me 21:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Right, on my talk page there is one who sent me a straight insult in my talk page. But apparently by looking at that I AM the one who comes off as brash and angry? Interesting, so if I insult people like that user does I am NOT brash and angry? Good to know. I have worked with multiple articles, reached a good consensus with two editors, with the majority thanking me or not complaining about my article expansions. Had approved NEW articles and more. Such a thing is completely non-existent in that account people are accusing me of being. I don't appreciate you taking few instances and making false statements like "constantly reverting' to make over-exaggerating nonsense implying that I am in conflict in every page I touch and helping this issue more, along with being technically untruthful. Keep in mind we would not be in this conversation right now AT ALL if not for ONE user and RANDOMLY might I add. Period. One user, who has also lied a total of 3 times now. This has become a major annoyance,@Indrian: and I wish for it to be done so I can focus more on expanding and making new articles. Such as Alcazar: The Forgotten Fortress. TheKingsTable (talk) 22:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Two wrongs don't make a right. That person was not right to be aggressive either. But you certainly didn't help things. And you constantly are reverting people. Look no further than here, here here. And for as much as you keep complaining about how this keeps you from content creation, you sure love aruging on talk pages and pinging people. If this were really the case, it seems like you'd just go work on your article, and let the SPI report happen, which, if you really arent the other user, should turn out to be a non-issue. Sergecross73 msg me 22:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

You seemed to have missed a part about me waiting until I can upload images. But you have already shown your lack of care to being open-minded and have resulted to claims of "constant reverting" which is a pile of nonsense. Of your 3 examples, 2 were the "anime articles" I mentioned before, one of which I reached a consensus with and reverted back, seems like you are jumping on the accusation train instead of looking. Your asteroids one shows not constant aggressive reverts at all. Instead, it shows the earlier edits I made, which were not reverted until Mr.change decided to randomly revert for NO REASON, clear as day, as well as making accusations in his edit summaries. Can you find a place were I made "constant" reverts without nitpicking to the lowest desperation point? Remember you said "constant" you should be able to back up your claims with something when you accuse people of such things. You act as though you are trying to help me by giving advice, yet seem to be trying to make low blows at me but missing. Which is my main problem at this point but it seems clear that we aren't getting anywhere at this point. All your lies will come back to you later. TheKingsTable (talk) 23:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Look, it's very simple. If I'm so terrible and wrong and whatever, go take it to another Admin. I'm sure that if I'm so off-base, they'll fix it for you. But good luck, with the way you treat people. Sergecross73 msg me 23:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

That's great that you think I said you are terrible when I never said that. Regardless of your issues, you are an admin and i believe you see the random reverts for the sake of reverting Mr.change is doing, which I believe you should not be allowing to happen because you are an admin. TheKingsTable (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

In fact, you could at least stop the Mr.Change user from randomly reverting pages for no reason. He's just going around causing issues. TheKingsTable (talk) 23:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Jakandsig/TheKingsTable lied because he wants to avoid the problems he always has. He causes problems every day, and he is unable to avoid them. I reverted some of the pages Jak edited because his edits are poor and disruptive. IX|(C"<) 01:41, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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I agree with Sergecross73 and Indrian that Jakandsig/TheKingsTable is so horrible, he's likely to be sent to WP:ARBCOM. I wrote section titled "Re: Sockpuppet comment you made", which explains my point of view. I can confirm that TheKingsTable is one of Jakandsig's sockpuppets. IX|(C"<) 21:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppet comment you made

I saw TheKingsTable making disruptive, poor, and untruthful edits on articles like Asteroids (video game) and Sega Saturn. He's one of the sockpuppets used by Jakandsig, for whom Berean Hunter blocked for 3 weeks. Jak's words in general are obviously contrary to what he does: Jak/TheKingsTable claims any chaos from him is done by someone else: when he accuses editors of any problems, it's evident that he is the only one making the problems. He is evading the block through illegitimate and abusive use of sockpuppets, and he must be permanently banned from creating and using any account that's not "Jakandsig". IX|(C"<) 21:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I hope you realize a nice part (especially asteroids) of this paragraph above is a lie and will be used against you later right? You really think you are going to get away with saying that an edit you agreed with was disruptive? It's clear in the history you randomly reverted it without reason. But please continue to do this, it will sure help me a lot. TheKingsTable (talk) 22:22, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Nobody trusts you, Jak, because many of your comments are actually angry lies (for example: "Recently, I have had users making up false claims about my account"), and you're a disruptive, frustrated, poor editor with multiple sockpuppets. Someday, you and your sockpuppets will be banned indefinitely. IX|(C"<) 00:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Initially, I treated him as if he were a well-understood newcomer, but after discovering his actual nature I stopped thanking him for his edits on Asteroids. Jak claimed that I was disruptive in an edit summary of one of his edits on that article, in which he added this phrase to the lead: "as well as being one of the earliest". That phrase is factually inaccurate in the sense of the Arcade game Wikipedia article, which states the earliest arcade games came from the late-19th/early-20th century; if one's definition of arcade games is restricted to "video games found in midways," then Asteroids could be one of the first such; Jak's meaning of the phrase is that Asteroids was released during the early years of the golden age of arcade video games. This paragraph means many users don't share his belief, and his edits can create debates/conflicts and cleanup from other users. IX|(C"<) 21:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Calling names without confirmation is just going to hurt you more. You also did share the belief because you originally thanked me for the edit. That's 4 lies now. It's even funnier that indrian made the same edit, just reworded. Which apparently you were fine with. TheKingsTable (talk) 23:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I like Indrian's edits to Asteroids (video game). IX|(C"<) 00:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The reason why I think TheKingsTable is a sockpuppet is because he shares many of Jak's traits (he edits articles Jak and his sockpuppets ruined in very similar, disruptive manners, his edit summaries and comments are anti-social, he accuses other users of problems that he did, his edits are poor in several ways), and he was created 5 days after another sockpuppet, KombatPolice, was blocked. IX|(C"<) 21:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Jakandsig/TheKingsTable must be brought to WP:SPI (and maybe WP:AN/I) because of his false statements, disruptive edits, and violations of the 3-week block. IX|(C"<) 21:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget to block all his sockpuppets (including TheKingsTable). IX|(C"<) 21:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I think/hope Indrian will be filing an SPI report since I'm short on time. If he is in fact block evading, then yes, King's Table would be blocked and his original account would have an extended/reactivated block. Sergecross73 msg me 21:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it might not be until tomorrow, but I do plan on taking action here. Indrian (talk) 21:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I looked up this archive of Jak's SPI cases, and he's been problematic already. IX|(C"<) 21:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

He's recently jumped onto another account: User:John Mayor ERS. IX|(C"<) 02:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

SPI filed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

NinjaDude 51 Sockpuppets

Just a heads up, Ninjadud51 and Ninja Dude 51, who both added bogus material to Mario Kart 8, are undeniably the same person. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:55, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed it was two separate names. I'll block one if both continue to be active and disruptive. (They both just have 1 edit each, and now the page they were editing is protected, so maybe they'll just be done.) Sergecross73 msg me 18:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Your are not checking the article.

I understand what you are doing, but the information I am trying to put on the PS4 page is already in the article. So there is no need to go to the talk page. If I am not mistaken, the first part of all articles is used usually to summarize the rest of the article. The PS4 being of an American design is also an important fact that should be included. John Mayor ERS (talk) 17:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Any time there is a dispute, discussion is necessary. Even if its 100% true and necessary to include, we need to work on wording and placement. Most of your attempts are either riddled with mistakes, or just read really awkwardly. (When you insert info into the middle of paragraphs, you really ought to re-read it as a whole to make sure your changes make sense.)

Please join the discussion I started at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:PlayStation_4#First_American_PlayStation_Console_content Sergecross73 msg me 17:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I am there. John Mayor ERS (talk) 17:46, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Another Jak Sock

Would appreciate your intervention at North American video game crash of 1983, where an anon that completely fits the Jak profile is raising a fuss. Indrian (talk) 18:46, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh! You found an administrator for me. Mr.Indrian here has been pushing a lop-sided viewpoint across the whole page. Please come to the talk page to see an example of what I mean. He is even denying concrete visual evidence as proof, and I believe that this user is trolling on purpose. 108.28.233.221 (talk) 18:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Angry

Oh, but I am angry!. I'm going to have to spend the whole weekend plastering I the holes I punched in walls, and trying to smoothe things over with the manager of my local Starbucks. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

That's nothing compared to the crippling anxiety I have over all of my worrying!! Sergecross73 msg me 01:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

You know, dealing with these multiple socks for a month and a half has often been frustrating, but moments like these almost make up for it. That is one epic meltdown going on over there. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to fetch some more popcorn. Indrian (talk) 01:46, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

• Keep - This may not be a CfD, but they're going to have to pry this awesome category from my cold, dead hands. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 02:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

You better be careful; I am the sneakiest guy on Wikipedia. No admin is immune to my trickery. I can make them believe whatever I want with my powers! Indrian (talk) 22:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Tlsonic214

Hey, would you mind giving me some advice with this user? She was blocked for repeatedly adding original research to Kirby articles. Trying to discuss her block with her is not going anywhere. I fear that when she becomes unblocked she'll just do the exact same behavior again. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:34, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Yikes. I noticed some of the discussion regarding her on your talk page, but that link is even worse. I'll try to keep an eye on things, but let me know if the problem persists. I'll give an explanation/warning or two, and if she's as unresponsive as she is with you, block her if need be. Sergecross73 msg me 04:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Jak sockpuppets

I'll just say it here, to everyone - @Indrian:, @TheTimesAreAChanging:, @Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever: - and anyone else. Let me know if you have any more suspected sockpuppets of Jakandsig - I've spent enough time dealing with him now that I'm comfortable with blocking anyone I believe to be him for block evasion per WP:DUCK. I may not take action on everyone that is suggested, but please don't hesitate to throw it out there to me. Sergecross73 msg me 17:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

• Well, that did not take long. This fellow just went active mere minutes after John Mayer lost his talk page access. He has already tried to claim the Dreamcast was not the first system with a built in modem something Jak and friends claimed on multiple occasions. Indrian (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

It looks like he's back! And ready to challenge those Atari 7800 sales figures yet again...TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I thought this one looked suspicious as well when he first appeared last night, and his new focus on the 7800 only serves to reinforce those suspicions. Probably not enough yet for an outright block, but he should at the very least be watched closely. Indrian (talk) 19:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Same article/sales concerns, just registered last night, long-winded edit summaries, trouble with wiki-formatting, it does seem similar... Sergecross73 msg me 19:27, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I reverted Golden Cog's edit on Atari 2600. The edit was unsourced and mediocre. IX|(C"<) 00:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Also reverted his Sega Game Gear edit, which changed the name of the "End of life" subsection to "Decline". IX|(C"<) 00:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I was mistaken. His Game Gear edit changed "Decline" to "End of life". IX|(C"<) 19:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

An edit to the Super Thunder Blade article by Carrots was reverted. IX|(C"<) 00:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I wish I would become an administrator, just because the unlikely Jak creates problematic sockpuppets. I think I could block Jak indefinitely if this sockpuppet situation continually worsens. I hope I can be a nice, content-improving admin. IX|(C"<) 00:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I'm starting to wonder if Jakandsig was even his first account.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I think it was. Before Jak, there were anons pushing the same views on the CD-I page and others, but not another named account. I think Jak was his move from anonymous posting to account posting. Indrian (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Jak first used IP 64.134.64.30 back in October 12, 2013, adding unsourced information to Street Fighter II. The Stick Man reverted that edit. IX|(C"<) 00:58, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm happy North American video game crash of 1983 is semi-protected. IX|(C"<) 19:34, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to contact me if you need extra admin support for the socks; I am always Angry and Willing. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie:, thanks, I appreciate it. I suppose, now that we're on the subject, what's your opinion on what to do with this guy? On one hand, the guy hasn't broken any rules yet, but on the other hand, it really seems like he's another sock. (He became active almost exactly after John Mayor lost talk page access, he keeps advocating that the systems that competed against the Nintendo Entertainment System are under-represented/underappreciated, etc.) I don't want to waste time, but don't want to be overly aggressive either. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 01:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I was a little conflicted about that as well. Assuming that it is him, he's certainly changed his tone and approach (at least the interactions I scanned through), but on the other hand, block evasion is block evasion. I noticed when he accidentally got logged out his IP traced to a research network in Greece, which to me smells like proxying. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

He does change his approach every so often. User:leeroyhim, for instance, was very polite and generally non-confrontational. There are almost as many personalities as accounts, but they are unified by a single agenda on video game history pages that don't tend to receive a lot of attention generally and by their often awkward and grammatically poor edits. At this point I don't think there is enough info yet to make a determination, but if he keeps editing, the agenda always comes out eventually. Indrian (talk) 15:34, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, his "John Mayor" account was pretty calm in the beginning too. I imagine the same will happen with this account. Things won't go his way, he'll get irritated, make a scene, and then probably either be blocked due to another positive SPI report or quacking too loud. Sergecross73 msg me 15:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I've considering putting a site-ban on Jakandsig mainly because of his disruptive edits and sockpuppetry. I can guess that Greek proxy is causing all of this sockpuppetry he has, and maybe that kind of ban can be done to both Jak and the proxy. IX|(C"<) 00:26, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

By "Greek proxy", I mean the IP from the Greek research network Jak used. The IP is "2001:648:2FFC:1225:A800:FF:FE2E:B06C". IX|(C"<) 00:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, about 48 hours of silence, at least. Let me know if you see anything new that is suspicious... Sergecross73 msg me 02:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Golden Cog is back, and promising major overhauls to five separate articles. I urge everyone to watch him carefully.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be on close watch. Sergecross73 msg me 03:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be there too. IX|(C"<) 03:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Cog/Jak's obviously feeling a bit discouraged by the suspicion, since he hasn't begun to overhaul the articles he tagged. Could this new account be his reaction? Does he really think any new account editing the same pages is likely to evade our suspicion? Or I am just being paranoid? Stay tuned to Wikipedia for more of When Socks Attack!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

I believe his Holiness is definitely a sock, as his opening statement on the crash page fits Jak and friends to a tee. No doubt his excommunication will follow in short order if he starts making changes. Indrian (talk) 00:58, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I assumed it was a sock. At least that page is protected. Honestly, after Cog inevitably gets blocked, I'll probably go around a protect a bunch of his "underdog console" type articles, so none of his future socks will have immediate access to them. Sergecross73 msg me 01:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

The IP Jak used to inflate Atari 7800 sales to 10.77 million was just active at Sega Saturn and Nintendo 64.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Blocked. Losing patience for this guy. Sergecross73 msg me 02:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

The IP that previously admitted to being Golden Cog has struck again. His new attempt to inflate Atari XEGS sales proves the connection between Cog and Jak's other sockpuppets.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I may just file an SPI about this. Jak's block needs to be extended for his continued evasion.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Smoking gun for User:Golden_Cog_Afternoon_Karate_Exit. The IP listed above that Golden admitted was him just attempted to restore bogus information that Jak and friends have tried to add on multiple occasions. Indrian (talk) 20:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and the IP also vandalized a page. That seems adequate grounds to block the IP, and I think there is a good case to be made for just blocking Golden as well. Indrian (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Blocked for block evasion. Sergecross73 msg me 20:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

SPI filed on Golden Cog/AustralianPope.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Kill it with fire? Indrian (talk) 21:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Let's add it to the SPI we're still waiting on Sergecross73 msg me 22:24, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind. Blocked all 3. Sergecross73 msg me 00:37, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Another one worth keeping an eye on. Indrian (talk) 01:11, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again for your work on all this. It probably does not matter much now, but it seems this account somehow fell through the cracks. I think it was added to one of the SPIs late in the process and then accidentally overlooked. Indrian (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Another new account at Atari XEGS, and I don't know if I trust his story.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Even more obvious sock.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

And another.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:20, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep at it. I'll probably start protecting more of these obscure console articles he keeps going after, so he can't even start. Otherwise, keep alerting me of socks, but I'll probably keep discussion on them to a minimum per WP:DENY. Sergecross73 msg me 18:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

And another. Indrian (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

And now this IP is trying to restore AustralianPope material and claiming that he will log in to his "account" and block me. Indrian (talk) 19:17, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Send him my way when that happens. >_> Oh well, at least he's doing a good job of reminding me of pages that need to be protected. Sergecross73 msg me 19:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

And here is a fun little temper tantrum. The edits have already been reverted, but some blocking and semi-protection may be in order. Indrian (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I am honestly sorry to have to keep spamming your page in such rapid succession, but here is another IP temper tantrum. Indrian (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

No, no problem at all. As long as you are willing to help with this, I'm happy to help. Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I was angry that Jakandsig used this IP to unofficially block me, although he isn't an administrator. He's happily blocked. IX|(C"<) 20:31, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah he did that to the 4 of us, which the main purpose of "leaving a mark that can't be undone". Which, of course, can be undone by admin. Working through deleting outright. Sergecross73 msg me 20:34, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Today, we're having a ridiculous string of destructive short-lived sockpuppets by Jak. IX|(C"<) 20:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

IP 173.224.219.45 seemed like a climax. Jakandsig started out as a minority, and then he grew worse over time with unravelings of his disruptive edits, sockpuppetry, lies, and incivility. Today we reached the top of the mountain: a hailstorm consisting of around 8 or more Jak sockpuppets with a sense of chaos were blocked within hours. He will be known as one of the worst cases of sockpuppetry. IX|(C"<) 21:06, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Now Jak is continuing his ridiculous campaign on his own talk page. Can his access be revoked, or does it need to be kept open in case he wants to appeal the indefinite block? I would think the personal attacks and delusional ranting would be enough to just shut it down. Indrian (talk) 21:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I want Jak to be permanently site-banned so that he wouldn't edit Wikipedia and create sockpuppets/accounts anyway. IX|(C"<) 21:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Sergecross73 for blocking Jakandsig indefinitely! Yay! =D IX|(C"<) 21:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I had yesterday, but just took away his talk page access. He'll tire himself out and stop once he gets caught every time. Or he'll have to conform so much to not be caught that he'd be a good editor. He seems incapable of the latter. Just keep reporting socks to me, and don't make a big deal out of it. He probably gets off on the delusion of notoriety. Sergecross73 msg me 21:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

He used IP 117.211.84.218 to block me again. The link to the IP's contributions shows his first edit on February 11, 2011. IX|(C"<) 22:10, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Please indefinitely semi-protect both my userpage and user talk so that Jak can't edit those pages anymore. IX|(C"<) 22:14, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk page stalker here, It seems Jaks plan is to get as many Ips blocked as possible. I believe it may be to make it so other people can't edit or create accounts. Everytime I am about to edit, a page gets attacked. I think it's time to treat this as a more serious issue since he's actually damaging multiple pages in a short period of time. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Gonna, if you protect your page only older users can communicate with you. Same goes for this page, which should never be protected since he is an administrative contact. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I asked Sergecross73 to semi-protect my userpage and talk pages. IX|(C"<) 22:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I know that, I'm just warning you that only established users can contact you, or if you were to help a new user they would not be able to send you a reply to ask you for any further help. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 22:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I get what you're saying right. IX|(C"<) 22:36, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Protected. Just message or email me when you want it taken away. As for my talk page, I have no intentions of protecting it. It's very quick and easy to rollback, and I've got a bunch of people watching my talk page too. On that note, since IPs don't have watchlists, I'm curious who this IP is. Jak? Or someone randomly signed out of their account? Sergecross73 msg me 22:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't let this sock slip through the cracks.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:28, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Huh, I first started arguing with him due to a request made at WP:VG, so I wasn't thinking of it like that. Seems plausible. Any other thoughts on him? Sergecross73 msg me 23:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Look at his generic user page. It's strikingly reminiscent of all of the other Jak socks. I'm sure Jak was hoping his massive tantrum would divert attention away from his serious account.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I just came across this user, KlausKoenig. Their talk page looks suspicious since 117.211.84.218 was the user who created it. XXX8906 (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, but since the account hasn't been active since 2009 nor edited any video game-related articles, it probably isn't relevant.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:47, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

It's probably nothing, but I will be watching this IP just to stay safe.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:15, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. BustaBunny has been largely inactive so far too, FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

After a brief respite, Busta Bunny appears to be active again. Let's hope our suspicions were ill-founded.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:27, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. Now he's editing at the talk page for the Dreamcast too. That's strike two as far as editing at Jak's articles. Sergecross73 msg me 17:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• And he's back. It was such a nice little holiday. Indrian (talk) 15:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that too. Judging by his edits, he apparently is at least reading over WP:BASC. Good luck with with an SPI log like his. Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

It's happening again....TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Lets keep an eye on these. I do agree that it does appear to be more of the defense of the poorer selling systems stuff going on here. Sergecross73 msg me 17:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

And again.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:01, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

And again.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now everything makes complete and total sense. That still is no ground to randomly start fights in my thread though serge. I probably should not have gotten mad tho so I have partial blame. Now I got to clean everything. SuperGangsterRapper95868686 (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't start a fight, I merely pointed out how similar your comments were to the last 15 sockpuppets on that same talk page. Then you went off the handle. Sergecross73 msg me 18:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I though you were. Mostly because of your first comment, I was not aware of anything so I figured you were derailing my thread. I suppose I owe you a small apology then. SuperGangsterRapper95868686 (talk) 18:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• I believe between the personal attacks, the similar behavior patters, and similar editing patterns there is enough here for you to act per WP:DUCK. Why don't we go ahead and put this one out of its misery? Indrian (talk) 19:22, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. He's editing the same articles, making the same arguments, and now discussing quite aggressively. All Jak traits. Not blocking the other names yet, but I am protecting the relevant Sega articles. Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

(EC) SuperGangster's rant at North American video game crash has devolved into sheer raving incoherence and vitriolic personal attacks. It's striking that this supposedly new user already "needs a break from you people".TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, its pretty ridiculous how quickly he tends to break character. Definitely another sock. Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 20:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

So now BustaBunny is at the Intellivision article talk page. Another Jak landmark... Sergecross73 msg me 23:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this "Arb. break" until shortly after BustaBunny notified me of his edits to Q*bert and Talk:Q*bert which seemed okay. Mr*|(60nna) 23:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I've started an WP:AN/I thread about Jakandsig's sockpuppets here. Mr*|(60nna) 00:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Ugh, I'd rather not drag this through the pits of ANI. It'll just lead to more drama. I'm content with monitoring/protecting/blocking. Not sure ANI can offer us anything better.... Sergecross73 msg me 00:59, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

BustaBunny is now openly threatening to vandalize even non-gaming articles if he cannot get his way.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:33, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Mark Miller is aware of the disruptive edits of Jakandsig's sockpuppets (including BustaBunny). Were this sockpuppetry to continue with no easy end, then I can say Jakandsig is one of the worst sockpuppeteers ever. Mr*|(60nna) 02:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Blocked per WP:DUCK, closed per WP:DENY. He's awful, but lets try to DENY him the recognition. Sergecross73 msg me 02:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Mr*|(60nna) 02:43, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I consider this new account to be highly suspicious.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

And this one, too.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:55, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, both aren't as bad as most of the instant-block socks, but should probably keep an eye on them. (Coincidence that he's arguing against GameRankings a week after I was involved in defending it? Not sure...) Sergecross73 msg me 23:41, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I thought he was doing it because of the GameRankings links I just added to Sega Saturn. (It's not as though GR is a perfect source, but I'd like to see him propose a superior version of "Game library" rather than just complaining about the fact that it's hard to find sources about old Saturn games.)TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Today, I reverted some of the edits by inactive/blocked Jak sockpuppets, include one on Mega Man X4. Mr*|(60nna) 23:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

And I discovered [this apparent Jak sockpuppet] with almost the exact same name as "Jakandsig", just add a "z" to the end. Mr*|(60nna) 23:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

In addition to switching to an IP at Sega Saturn's talk page, it seems likely that Jak has created this new account to defend the honor of the Atari Jaguar. It's a very "Jak" account name, although there haven't been any Jak/Afroman-style meltdowns just yet.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 05:28, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I think I'm content to just start ignoring his new names who pose complaints on talk pages, as long as the article is protected. Other people can look into his constant POV questioning (or he can just be ignored.) As far as Afroman goes, I'm ready to block him. The irate rant and random logging out is enough to convince me, unless anyone objects. Anyone? Sergecross73 msg me 13:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I recommend you block AfroMan, then block this IP. Mr*|(60nna) 22:03, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I can't say I would object, because I have no doubts that he is a sockpuppet, but Afroman has demonstrated that he can be a constructive editor.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

CrimeInvestigation&Patrol reverted my edit of Quake (video game) because it had "influenced by" in it. I added back "Initially", replacing "At the start". I assume he is a Jak sockpuppet, considering his username. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I think his username meant "to look at and crack down edits deemed unfair." }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Now he reverted your most recent edit of Rune Factory 4, which I reverted twice. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi there! Wanted to clear up some things in case there was any confusion, especially for Mr.Change.

1. Your edit in Quake damaged part of the paragraph and made it read like "influenced by who wields a giant hammer" which is a broken sentence.
2. You and this users edit in Rune Factory 4 do not contain a source that proves the European version was cancelled, or the dates of that supposed cancellation. If you have a source, simply add it in and restore. I tried looking for one for both of you, but was not able to find a reliable source to edit in.

Let me know if you have any more questions. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 21:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for putting in a reliable source. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Finally, he's actually improving. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

While I will admit that it is the responsibility of the ones challenged to provide a source, at the same time, @CrimeInvestigation&Patrol:, you really should try doing a simple google search rather than challenging it so aggressively. This was a widely reported thing, a few seconds at Google would have cleared this up for you pretty easily. Sergecross73 msg me 21:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

AfroMan, like CrimeInvestigation&Patrol, was better than Jakandsig, but he had problems as well. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

You're partially right, I only went with one quick search on Bing, and looking back, I probably did not put in the right wording and did not get accurate results. Just "European Rune Factory 4" alone would have given me the correct results. I will be sure to take more time when searching for a source in the future. But luckily, it's all taken care of now.

Mr.Change, thanks again for finding that reference. But be careful with your edits so they don't end up like the Quake Article. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

If we truly believe they are Jak, then policy says they should be blocked per WP:BLOCKEVASION. There is WP:OFFER, he's nowhere near any of the criteria right now. Sergecross73 msg me 22:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

No matter whatever they do, it's obvious that despite some good constructive edits, CrimeInvestigation&Patrol and AfroMan must be blocked because they're Jakandsig sockpuppets sharing Jak's traits like aggression. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I am disappointed that even when we attempt to engage Afroman, Jak still feels the need to use alternate accounts/IPs.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I must applaud Mr.Changes flawless logic of me being a sockpuppet because I corrected an edit of his that broke a page (happens all the time looking around many articles, even I did it once). Judging from the above comment no one checked up on that. Which may explain why my Gears of War edit was also reverted without anyone checking the actual link. Come on guys, let's put in a bit more effort in what we're doing instead of taking actions without actually doing fact checks. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Says the person who couldn't perform a simple Google search to find out Rune Factory 4 was cancelled in Europe? Taking your lecturing on "putting forth more effort" somewhere else, Mr. "Two-days-of-editing". Sergecross73 msg me 18:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Comparing me using Bing with the wrong words quickly, to you not looking at the sources that Wikipedia needs to be accurate for reliability is not a comparison one can actually make. What's even stranger is you act like new users can't use that big help button on the left side of the site and read all the rules and such before posting, so I am not sure why you came to the conclusion I was giving you a lecture like you were new/under me thus the 2 day comment.

I wanted to point out that It is important for people to look at the references they are reverting, because references are very important and need to be accurate or an article is pretty much trash. See WP:REF, WP:CITE, and WP:INCITE. You seem to be heated right now looking at your recent edits so I'll just wait for you to be less combative. Let us be more neutral.. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 19:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Its also up to you to explain your edits. You still haven't explained why you're changing the source, you just keep vague referring to it being "better" and instructing others to research it themselves. Say it yourself if you want the change to stick. Sergecross73 msg me 19:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Sergecross73, can you please block indefinitely both CrimeInvestigation&Patrol and TheRealAfroMan so that those two Jak sockpuppets don't bother us anymore? }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 23:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I've been debating what to do here, on whether or not it's easier to babysit Jak with new names all the time, or with the same name. Still not sure. I'll tell you what though: if you file another Jak SPI, and it comes back "likely/confirmed", I'll block them in a second. Sergecross73 msg me 23:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of the nonsense in this conversation about me. I believe when a user straight up lies in an edit summary it's your job to do something. Saturn article is what I am referring to. Apparently I "added" source to troll everyone. I had no idea that I add things but removing it. interesting.

BTW I agree with the above action, which looking it up, may get Mr.Slowga off my back and resolve a few other problems. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 23:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break 2

I've started another SPI. Please give input, Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever, TheTimesAreAChanging, Indrian, and/or anyone who's a talk page stalker who has any relevant input. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 01:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to show bad faith, but I think this recently created account should at least be added to the current SPI just in case. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 19:01, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Here's another account that is much more suspicious, editing the Atari 5200 article that was last edited by John Mayor ERS. He also contributed to the N-gage article that contained edits by both Golden Cog and KombatPolice. I would suggest you add this user to the the SPI log as well. 91.184.0.80 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Probably good to keep an eye on, but its too early to add to the SPI report yet. Neither is spending much time on obscure video game articles or POV pushing really. Sergecross73 msg me 19:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, but I would keep a good eye on RedAnt though. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You should take a look at this IP. He's rapidly reverting Gonna's edits on multiple articles. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• There's nothing to take a look at, I follow this talk page like you do. He knows he can't just revert users that are not confirmed socks because he wants to. The two accounts are not even on the SPI list. I pinged him on the SPI and told him to post any evidence he had found to Sergecross. 178.254.12.221 (talk) 16:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you please semi-protect Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, because there's an edit war done by JakIIDax against me over the article. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 18:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I also want that article semi-protected indefinitely because it was edited by a Jak sockpuppet. }IMr*|..(60nna)I{ 18:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you block JakIIDax please because he is disrespectful toward me. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 18:57, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Jak is back, editing Sega consoles and returning to one of his earliest loves, Asteroids.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Blocked, along with everyone else at the latest SPI, as far as I can tell. Keep me posted when you find more. Sergecross73 msg me 00:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

This old suspected Jak sock, inactive for a month, suddenly reappeared less than an hour after Newjeanspotatoe was blocked.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Reverted Wonderworldamusementpark's edit on Dreamcast. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 02:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Fireball24fire

Hey, just a heads up-- User:Fireball24fire will likely be a problematic user. He is actually another user, User:22dragon22burn, who stopped editing in November. That user had problems uploading copyrighted images from Super Mario Wiki that poorly illustrated their articles' subjects and were merely decorative. He updated existing images of character art just because there were new ones available, whether or not they represented the subject better. Fireball24fire is repeating the same pattern, particularly with this image of Lakitu and this Koopalings image. It is also worth noting that he re-uploaded this image which I requested to be deleted in July because it was an extremely poor representation of the subject. I've already given him a final warning. I'm letting you know now in case he does this behavior again. Since he seldom responded to talk page comments as 22dragon22burn, it's likely he'll keep doing it. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

@ThomasO1989:, sorry it took me so long to respond, I'm not an expert on image stuff. Did he stop after the last warning? If not, I can either warn him once more (to be extra nice) or give him a block. Sergecross73 msg me 15:43, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

It appears that he has stopped for the time being, but I'll you know. To think of it, I've might have been too hasty in escalating to you. I was feeling angry towards this user's edits in general. Please do not feel that I only come to you to report other users, although that's what it looks like lately. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I became an Admin so I'd be able to help people with issues like this, because I always appreciated it when Admin would look into things like this for me. I don't mind you asking, as long as you don't get mad if/when I don't support taking action. (Not that this has happened in the past, I don't believe it has, as far as I know.) But yeah, with 22Dragon, its frustrating that he doesn't really respond/interact...but at the same time, it seems like in the past, he does stop when a hard warning is given. Sergecross73 msg me 16:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Game Boy Color

I am having a hard time believing that I'm writing this, but I'd like your input over at Talk:Game Boy#Game Boy successor. This is a ridiculous issue that needs to be put to rest sooner rather than later. Thanks. gsk 11:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was only able to offer up some potential ways to solve it rather than give a certain stance on it. I'll look into it further though. Sergecross73 msg me 15:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

SPI/Check User assistance

Re your closing summary: did you check the links I provided? I wasn't seriously suggesting contacting WMF :-) The way to stop all sockpuppets entirely is a Very Bad Thing, and the same is true of the stewards' ability to lock out edits by everyone. Nyttend (talk) 04:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Haha, sorry @Nyttend:, I guess I didn't check them. I think it was pretty late when I read your response, and I already was pretty certain there was nothing else that could be done, so I guess I breezed over it too quickly. (I did notice that you accidentally deleted the AFD discussion instead of the article, that gave me a chuckle.) But yeah, this sockpuppet, he's annoying and disruptive, but it's mostly just vandalizing or POV-pushing to obscure video game articles, so its not like higher action would even be warranted. The sock is either incapable of representing himself in a different manner, or likes getting caught, so its pretty easy to just keep an eye out, and keep blocking his obviously bogus accounts. Sergecross73 msg me 15:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

So he's "working" almost all on video games? In that case, it might be feasible to develop an edit filter. I have no knowledge of regex at all, so I can't offer any specific suggestions, but you might ask someone who's active at WP:EF. Nyttend (talk) 17:30, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi there!

I saw you on the Sonic Generations wiki edit history with a couple others, so I have a question for you. Am I allowed to post the PC requirements needed to run the game? If I am, could you tell me were in the wiki I would put it? BustaBunny (talk) 14:27, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

To respond to your question, I believe the current consensus regarding this is to not include required specs for PC games in articles, because Wikipedia isn't a "How-To" Guide or Help Manual. Sergecross73 msg me 14:53, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Cool. One more question, if a game that is on both PC and consoles uses two different engines, can I add those engines to the info panel on the right? BustaBunny (talk) 14:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. It might be good to have a source ready if anyone challenges it though - I'd be kind of surprised that it hadn't already been added over the course of the last few years. Sergecross73 msg me 15:03, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I feel like BustaBunny is another Jakandsig sockpuppet because he said that he saw Serge's name on the edit history of Sonic Generations, a hint that one of his IPs edited the article. IX|(C"<) 18:19, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

The IP I'm referring to is User:CarrotsInYourDiabeties. IX|(C"<) 18:29, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

He also posted the same question to TheTimesAreAChanging's talk page. He also made this edit to Bally Astrocade that is directly involved with the 'video game crash of 1983' he seems obsessed about. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:26, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm wondering if User:Jameromeo is a Jakandsig sockpuppet because he edited Cambodian Civil War. IX|(C"<) 19:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, most of Jame's edits are mobile, not videogame-related, and okay. IX|(C"<) 19:06, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

There is absolutely no reason to suspect Jameromeo has any connection to Jakandsig. He knows about Cambodia and appears to be a Cambodian who speaks with slightly poor English. Jakandsig, by contrast, simply followed me there for some random IP vandalism. As for BustaBunny: While extremely suspicious, I declined to report him earlier because I just can't imagine why Jakandsig would directly confront Jim1138, Sergecross, and I with his latest sockpuppet.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:15, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree, I don't believe Jameromeo probably isn't one. Most of Jak's accounts are found within a day or two, where his edits spans many months. BustaBunny I suspect him too, but was waiting for input from others. I'm leaning towards him being one too, especially if Thomas, a TPS that hasn't really been involved in all of this so far, identifies it too. Buster's on the thinnest of ice. Sergecross73 msg me 19:34, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree too, Jameromero is not such a Jak sockpuppet. IX|(C"<) 20:06, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Good lord. You guys do know all 3 of you were in the Sonic Generations edit page right? BustaBunny (talk) 22:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes. You also just registered an account in the last day, and edited an obscure video game console. (Astrocade). Sergecross73 msg me 23:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually no, my original account posted in that same article, but I forgot the password. You can check it if you don't believe me, RotationTractorBeam, so I have been here before, assumptions assumptions. Btw, Saturn is an obscure console and I posted on that page just fine, so I don't follow your reasoning. Moving on, jim gave me the same answer you did, so thank you for your help, and i will thank jimmy for his later.BustaBunny (talk) 23:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Anyone can claim that anyone is "an account they can't log into anymore", so that doesn't prove anything. Sergecross73 msg me 23:43, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Again, have someone check it if you don't believe me. No point in me asking the password wiki to fuse accounts if I was making it up. BustaBunny (talk) 23:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not aware of a way to do that, but even if I was, it wouldn't be worth the effort. You're not acting like a random person being wrongfully accused. You're acting like Jak before he gets called out on an SPI report. Sergecross73 msg me 00:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you just said, but it seems clear from just a few posts up that the only reason why we are having this conversation is because I asked you for help, which is extremely ridiculous. But I guess I'll just talk to Jim for my questions from now on, seems you won't be answering them. Thanks for your previous answers though, you did answer my first question quickly and you answered my second question fast as well. With that, have a nice day. BustaBunny (talk) 02:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Sigh, also, having a 1 edit, half month old account wouldn't prove anything anyways. (https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bally_Astrocade&diff=prev&oldid=597681754) Sergecross73 msg me 02:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: Your ANI comment

An indefinite block does not stop an editor from using sockpuppets. A site-ban can disallow him or her the creation of Wikipedia user accounts. Mr*|(60nna) 17:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

No, that's what I'm saying. Bans don't do that. Check out WP:BAN. There's nothing to that effect. Minus things like WP:RANGEBLOCKs, I don't think there's really any ways to do that. If there are, I'm not aware of it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:59, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I get what you're saying because I read WP:IPB. Rangeblocks, not site-bans, can block IP addresses, but site-banned users can't make an edit on Wikipedia either with a user account or unregistered at anytime. So IP addresses can't be banned anyway because they're not registered. Yes, a banned user creates a user account for block evasion, so if Wikipedia had a kind of ban in which he or she can't create accounts and edit anything on Wikipedia, that is bigger than a site-ban.Mr*|(60nna) 18:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Jak actually started editing Wikipedia with the IP that edited CD-i on October 1, 2010. Mr*|(60nna) 21:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Project64 restored

Hi,

Thanks for your input with Project64. I have just restored the article and hopefully addressed most issues. I was hoping you could review/patrol it. The next articles I intend to expand are Mupen64 to be merged with Mupen64Plus and Nestopia. Also I was wondering if I could get your input on an unrelated topic:

I moved Vector Group to Vector Group (company) to avoid confusion with Vector group however it was moved back by Svgalbertian citing "the simplest name without the need for disambiguation is the proper redirect". I feel this could cause confusion as there is only a single lower case difference and that Vector Group (company) is more proper. What do you think is there a rule regarding this? Thanks! Valoem ^talk 17:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Regarding P64, as I said at the WikiProject talk page, I really feel like P64 barely meets the WP:GNG at the moment, so, while I can monitor it, if someone made a good case, I could be persuaded to support redirecting it again. I'd recommend you try to keep working on it. I can try to see if I can add anything.
• Regarding your "Vector" examples, I just posted the question here because it seems like I've seen it handled both ways, and I'm not totally sure which way is correct/preferred. Lets see if anyone responds and take it from there. Sergecross73 msg me 18:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll see what I can do. Right now there is only one line of WP:OR under Compatibility and performance. I'll see if I can find anything. Valoem ^talk 18:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Not to spam User:Sergecross73's talk page, but I noticed you mentioned me. Here is my understanding, and he can correct me if I am wrong, article titles are to be as simple as possible. If you feel Vector Group causes confusion for people creating wiki links, then it should be redirected to Vector group (disambiguation) where both are presented. It is only then you are forced to disambiguate the title. You chose Vector Group (company), my preference would be to use the legal name (Vector Group Ltd.) but that is debatable. If you feel the issue isn't wikilinks, then to me it is a none issue. Any confusion is to the reader is already addressed by Template:about at the top of the page.--Svgalbertian (talk) 00:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

No problem, I enjoy that my talk page is active. See the discussion I created at the talk page for disambiguation. It looks like the difference in capitalization is enough as long as there is a hatnote at the top of both pages. Sergecross73 msg me 02:15, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks of the clarification, I was trying to avoid possible confusion, Vector Group appears to be the precedence and I have no issues.

Cheers! Valoem ^talk 02:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Smashing Pumpkins Barnstar
	Thanks for keeping The Smashing Pumpkins tidy. 130+ edits, you deserve a custom barnstar. Cheers! \m/ — MusikAnimal talk 04:26, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if this is the first-ever issued Smashing Pumpkins barnstar. I just can't believe I found such a fitting image on Commons! :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you @MusikAnimal: for both noticing my work, and presenting such an awesome barnstar! Sergecross73 msg me 13:12, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Sega Saturn Talk Page New Reply! 1

New Reply at Sega Saturn Talk page. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 17:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I know. Sergecross73 msg me 17:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Tool sources

You have provided a bit of information to me before. I know you are busy with the Midland article from the looks of it, but I was wondering where else I can go to learn more about my tool menu and a few editing basics? So far, I have only found you and RJFJR(from my talk page).

I still have not figured out how to make those fancy references that you see in many articles with the author, date, time and more. When I press the reference button in my tool menu, I only get the link to the source. So it must be an HTML code right? I know that it start and ends with . TheRealAfroMan (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Real Life Barnstar
	hey wazz up? nice page. hit me back up! Blackfire121 (talk) 17:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. Have I come across you on Wikipedia before? Did you need help with anything? Let me know. Sergecross73 msg me 19:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark (album)

Hello Serge, there's an anonymous agressive vandal that tries to put Scaruffi's self published source back in this article. I informed this user on his/her talk about the consensus yesterday https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:90.217.129.71&diff=603453542&oldid=603310436 today, the reaction from this user, in the history of this article, is out of proportion and unpleasant. Could you lock this article for "ips" for at least 10 days, please? Thanks. Woovee (talk) 15:11, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Protected, left note on talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 15:44, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Lost World

You fail to realize you can't have part of that sentence say "of the series" and not add it again for Eggman as the antagonist for the game the article is about is DIFFERENT. So your complaints and threats don't make sense. The current sentence is not supposed to be formed that way and brings confusion. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 23:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

None of that excuses ignoring BRD for the umpteenth time, especially on such a subjective subject such as "wording choice". Sergecross73 msg me 23:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

At the same time, you can use CS and actually look at what your doing, but that's fine, I will look at BRD. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 23:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC) I didn't remove anything. Looks clear to me there was an overlap, but I would expect no such logic to cross. Even now as I click the edit page, his comment is no there. Clearly a glitch or the like. I'll try to read add his post after this. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 00:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

TheRealAfroMan blamed you (Sergecross73) for what Afroman did to Sonic Lost World: adding "of the series" to the "Eggman" part of that sentence. One of Jak's (and his sockpuppets') traits is blaming any one who reverted his edits for his issues. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 23:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Also in response to you (Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever), you clearly are one of the slowest people I have ever met. I didn't blame him for anything go back to school kid, you clearly dropped out (or your head.) TheRealAfroMan (talk) 00:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Why "slow"? }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 00:44, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Debate about Impossible Mission article.

I'm having a debate with JakIIDax about Impossible Mission here. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 18:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

You're in luck Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever, the other report is now over. Can you make new one for JakIIDax and Red Ant please? 91.184.0.80 (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

JakIIDax and Red Ant are already mentioned in that SPI report, but it's possible a new one can be made. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 20:34, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever they need to be on a list to be looked at. Just mentioning them will not do anything. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 20:40, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Look here. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 20:45, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever, I don't think you are allowed to add names to an existing report. You have to make a new one. Here's the link. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 20:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if that's true or not, but either way, they check user'd all of them, and they're all socks, so I'm blocking them all. No need for further action until other socks pop up. Sergecross73 msg me 00:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Video Games WikiProject

Greetings. I have noticed you are very active in the Wikiproject Video Games. I would like to invite you to give your input in a discussion I recently opened there. Rilech (talk) 22:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Sergecross73 msg me 23:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

My userpage

Uh... thanks for the gratitude there. Anyway, that reminded me of something: Do you mind that I mention you on my userpage? Does it portray you in a negative light? I can change or remove it if you'd like. Tezero (talk) 17:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Haha, Tezero, the "thanking" was actually meant as a way of showing that I approved of you mentioning me. I guess I should have just said it. It was probably confusing - Salvidrim commonly thanks me for my userpage updates sometimes and it always makes me laugh because it feels like he's (jokingly) patronizing me, but I didn't meant that for you. But yeah, no problem with the mention, I'm glad you found it worth mentioning even really. And I do respect you as a user too, I do apologize that we do seem to commonly find each other on the opposite side of arguments. Sergecross73 msg me 17:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

What's going on?

I still don't understand. Those accounts were Blocked hours after I joined. Can I get my account back? You can do a check on me too I don't care, but I would appreciate my account being unblocked. Potatoechipdeluxe (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but:

1. You appeared minutes after they were all identified as socks.
2. You showed up at the same pages they had, asking the same sort of questions (poor selling Sega consoles, Asteroids)
3. You also made sloppy additions to the opening sentences of any article, another thing Jak did.

Any last words before I block you again, Jak? Sergecross73 msg me 22:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Jak (as Potatoechipdeluxe) just blamed you (Sergecross73) for what Jak did: Create sockpuppets minutes after one of his is blocked, have the same conflicts with the same editors over the same articles, and make poor, disruptive edits to them. "3." claims that both you and Jak "made sloppy additions" to articles like Army of Two: The 40th Day. See any more Jak sockpuppets? }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 01:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, a bunch of "potato" themed accounts are complaining about me at ANI, but now they're just getting blocked by other admin too. Sergecross73 msg me 01:30, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected this page 24 hours. Obviously, you should feel free to adjust as you wish. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:46, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the proposed mass edit to Video Game related articles

At what point is it okay to go ahead and add numbers of reviews to articles? Rilech (talk) 14:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

A couple of editors have gone ahead and begun on the basis of the mass support for the edit, I am assuming, so I'm going to go for it. Rilech (talk) 14:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Rilech, I'd say go for it whenever now. It seems like people overwhelmingly agree with you, unless I've missed something recently. Sergecross73 msg me 15:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Mario Kart 8

I'm think Mario Kart 8 should be protected again, at least until June. IPs have been mostly adding unsourced content, like lists of characters. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Done. (Through release and E3.) Sergecross73 msg me 01:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hey again. I have a question: In the reception boxes of these two articles, when I typed in the number of reviews, on one the text didn't wrap, and on the other it did. How do I make the number of reviews text stop wrapping on the first article?

• Final Fantasy VI
• Final Fantasy XIV:ARR

Thanks! Rilech (talk) 20:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)