Talk:AJ Michalka

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Merging into Aly & AJ

I disagree as the sisters have indiviual topics to talk about. It is annoying to put each of the sister's name on the article everything we talk about them indiviually.

--Arthurfung 04:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)Arthurfung

They are two diferent people, so two diferent articles. Just because they are a group? They are not like the Olsen twins, who do almost all projects together. Besides that in all other countries they have articles for each one and, another one together

--Rafaelsilveira 23:14, 11 May 2008

Expand?

Should we add more information to expand this articel and make it better? -- Guest2133, leave your response below this:

Answer To Your Question

It would be nice if it was bigger, but what sort of info would we put on there? We already have songs, filmography, biography, trivia and the other stuff that an article could have. So what kind of info? -Rosepuff12 15:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Rosepuff12, we could put Music videos, Notable Premiere Attendances, Personal Life, expand Trivia and put in Videography! -The Guest2133

Trivia is not generally appropriate on a Wikipedia article (by definition, trivia is not notable). Premiere attendances are also not notable. However, at least some of the other information may be. --Yamla 14:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

But Yamla, look at her sister's page! I want themm to share everything and do not diss my baby sis! --Adrienna --UTC 12:00 PM in the west coast.

Heritage

I have added Amanda Michalka's ethnicity on Wikipedia. I have read about her heritage on different websites, with one of those websites being the IMDb. The information about her is the same as Alyson Michalka's ethnicity.

Acalamari 16:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I just went onto her sister's fan website and found out that she really is of German descent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.237.217 (talk) 03:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't add categories that are not supported by article content. A fan website won't be acceptable as a reliable source of information so can't use that to add the info to the article either. --NrDg 04:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Removing Heritage.

I have removed Amanda Michalka's Heritage. The information I added is currently unproven.Acalamari 03:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism lock on the page

Is it possible that we could lock the page so unregistered users could not edit it? There has been a lot of vandalism over the past few days by unregistered users. -Rosepuff12 19:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree entirely with Rosepuff12, but I think we should lock "Aly & AJ" and also "Alyson Michalka" as well. If that's not possible, could we block the IP Address of the vandal? I have the IP on recond if anyone needs it. I hate giving IP Addresses away, but since this is a frequent vandal, I'll make an exception.

• Hmm, I thought I'd signed the above message; obviously not. Anyway, I had a lot less experience with Wikipedia when I posted that message. Acalamari 23:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

picture

is there a pic of her that we could use? Slyj18 16:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Justify the separate articles

Explain why each half of a duo who are not notable separate from each other should have separate articles when evrything that's in this individual articles is already in the article for the duo. There should not be three separate articles with the same information in them. Otto4711 23:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that there is similar information in each article, but Alyson Michalka and Amanda Michalka are both notable picture, and in the future, their articles will differ. Acalamari 23:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand what "both notable picture" means. The simple fact is that as of now the two are not notable as individuals. They are only notable as members of the duo and the information in the individual articles is all but identical to the information in the duo article. If at some point in future they have solo careers or are in any other way notable as individuals, then fine, write separate articles. But separate articles for each girl to list the same discography, filmography and background information is pointless. Otto4711 00:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh, heh, I actually meant "both notable people." I do agree though that both articles need expansion. I don't think changing them both to redirects is the answer. Acalamari 01:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Expand them with what, exactly? What information is there that is pertinent to one and not the other? We are not talking about Sonny and Cher or Donny and Marie here. Look at the articles. All three talk about where they were born, all three talk about how they moved to Seattle with their parents, all three have filmographies and discographies. They do not have solo careers or independent ventures. The likelihood that someone will be looking for information about them as individuals as opposed to as a duo is extremely low. There is no justification for maintaining separate articles. I suspect that your objections are rooted largely in WP:ILIKEIT. Otto4711 01:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a deletion discussion: you wanted to change both the pages to redirects, and bringing up WP:ILIKEIT here counts as a personal attack. Acalamari 02:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh it does not. Don't be absurd. Otto4711 03:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not keeping the articles "only because I like them." Yes, I do like Aly & AJ, but that's not the only reason why I want to keep both the articles. Both pages have been in existence for well over a year, which I find weird that you choose now as the time to have both the pages turned into redirects. How about we do this then: let's remove the "dual filmography" section in Aly & AJ and incorporate them into both the articles about the Michalka sisters. The personal filmographies of Alyson Michalka and Amanda Michalka do vary, so we can focus editing there. If it's possible we can also find some information about each of the girls. If we do these two things, we should be able to get differences between all three articles. Anyway, the Amanda Michalka page is different from the Alyson Michalka page, but yes, both do need some work. I don't believe that turning each page into a redirect is the solution here. We also mustn't limit the improvements to us though; we should allow other users to suggest things too, we're not talking about editing a section here: we talking about removing the encyclopedic content of both articles. Acalamari 04:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Subject

As the notability of the subject is in dispute here, would someone please outline what part of WP:BIO this subject meets? Alan.ca 09:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the duo passes WP:BIO but the girls individually do not. However, given that I have been falsely accused of vandalism for boldly redirecting the two pages and given that I really don't care enough about this issue to put up with that level of aggravation, I am withdrawing from the discussion following this posting. Otto4711 16:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Otto4711, you didn't vandalize at all; I never said you did. All I said in my summaries was that you didn't discuss the change on the talk pages first. I was always taught that major changes should be discussed first. If you thought that I called you a vandal, I'm sorry. You are not a vandal. Acalamari 16:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge discussion

This article has very little independent information. All of the information in the three articles should be collected into the article on the duo, and the sisters' articles should just redirect there.Kww (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This was discussed here and at Talk:Aly & AJ last year. Consensus seemed to favor leaving everything separate. --Bongwarrior (talk) 20:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

While they are in the duo, they both have there independent work and I think keeping them seperated allows for them to be seen as individuals (which they are). --Iroc24 (talk) 17:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

This is my first time I've changed an article's tag, but I'm following WP:be_bold. The tag has been here intermittently(sp?) since 2007. The discussion that took place on the Aly+AJ page last year seemed evident that "no merge" came out of it. The highlights of the argument were: Aly does meet wp:notable (no comment on AJ, whether or not she is notable outside of the duo belongs on AJ's page or the Aly+AJ page but not here), additionally she is 19 and active in her career (she has two movies contracted for 08/09 as well as a planned album in 2009) so its a growing case for notability, for those who believe she is only marginal notable (but don't dismiss her notability based on analogies--strictly read the notability:checklist and compare it to the facts and discussion over at the aly+aj page).

I am not basing this on my own preference or private agenda, as I'm attaching my signature to this. I feel very confident I can defend the action because I have thoroughly reviewed the wp:notability, and I have reviewed the facts, and I have applied one to the other. Additionally, over half of the discussion participants also agreed that she is notable outside of Aly+AJ enough to justify her own article. Lastly, consensus has already been reached (especially at other page, but here too) so I'm merely taking the action of removing the tag and this action is consistent with wp:policy and with the overall conclusion of the group of editors of both pages (collectively). If someone feels I have erred, feel free to add the merge tag back to the article, and discuss below your reasons and let me reply. Sentriclecub (talk) 03:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Suspending the Merge tag (Amanda's article)

I'm getting rid of the same tag for AJ. They each have growing notability individually, and I see no reason to combine the pages. If nothing else, they have different filmographies. And, eventually, one or the other of them is going to get married or something, creating separate personal life sections. This has been thoroughly discussed for Alyson and is much the same for Amanda. Cowgod14 (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Removal of her birthday?

Why was her birthday removed? It's very encyclopaedic and IMDB at the least has her birthday listed. I'm sure there are multiple places her birthday is listed, it seems public knowledge. Sorry, I just happened upon this by chance LOL Kb5694 (talk) 09:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorting

[1] Year ranges which include a dash do not sort correctly for readers using some versions of Safari. An easy fix is to avoid using dashes, eg (2002 to 2004 rather than 2002–2004). An IP editor has elected to remove this fix over objections. We generally do a number of things to to wikitext to facilitate relatively small numbers of readers in other ways. Do editors agree in reducing or obstructing functionality when a simple fix is available? Gimmetoo (talk) 23:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. I've applied the {{sort}} template to the two ranges with dashes; they should now sort as if they read, for example, "2002 to 2004" even though the display text is "2002–2004". —C.Fred (talk) 01:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

This fix is unwarranted for a browser with a fraction of a percent usage. It obfuscates the wiki-text for 100% of users. Please revert to the MOS form. 125.162.150.88 (talk) 02:39, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The text is displaying correctly for me for both Safari (albeit a current version) and Firefox. What's your objection with the current form? —C.Fred (talk) 03:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

It works correctly for me, either way (with modern browsers). My objection is that it is unwarranted to make such a 'fix' for so few users. For the vast majority of editors, the MOS form is sufficient and the fact that it does not work for a very few should not drive the format that all editors must deal with (in the editbox). Somewhere, someone is still running Mosaic; it prolly doesn't' work for them, either, and we don't care. Users of deficient browsers do not warrant this clutter being inflicted on all editors. Most readers (and editors) don't even see the sort controls. 125.162.150.88 (talk) 04:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The fix is easy; why do you refuse to use it, and routinely undo my edits? (Note that {{sort}} may need to be applied to *all* ranges for the {{sort}} fix to work correctly; User:RexxS agreed that using "2002 to 2004" works for everyone.) What percent use does JAWS have? Gimmetoo (talk) 04:56, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

explained above; UNWARRANTED. 125.162.150.88 (talk) 04:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it wasn't. Try again. RexxS agreed that using "2002 to 2004" works for everyone. This doesn't "obfuscate the wiki-text". So why, specifically, do you refuse to allow its use, routinely reverting any edit which fixes sorting in this manner? Gimmetoo (talk) 05:01, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

It. Is. Unwarranted. For. A. Dead. Browser. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.162.150.88 (talk) 05:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

It is a browser that some segment of readers use. Again, specifically, why do you refuse to allow a fix that makes the sorting functionality work correctly for that segment of readers? Gimmetoo (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:YEAR, part of the Manual of Style, says "Year ranges, like all ranges, are normally separated by an en dash, not a hyphen or slash". Thus, "2002 to 2004" is non-standard per the MOS. The sorting issue is not a sufficient reason to have the nonstandard text visible. —C.Fred (talk) 05:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

"normally"? When something suggested by the MOS doesn't work for a segment of readers? So the MOS absolutely and unquestionably overrules any other consideration? Is that what you are saying? Gimmetoo (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

No. However, when there's a solution that presents the text per the format recommended by the MOS and sorts the table properly, I don't see a reason not to use that solution. —C.Fred (talk) 05:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

That said, if en-dashes in ranges are routinely affecting table sort order, that's a matter that needs to taken to discussion at the talk page for WP:MOSNUM or at the appropriate biography or television WikiProject page. —C.Fred (talk) 05:42, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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