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Thank you for reviewing. Here is the explanation of my original topic that I think it's better not to change.

The topic of my article is "missing women of China". You helped me with reviewing it and gave me a suggestion that it's better to change my topic to "Gender imbalance in China". I'm very thankful for your reviewing and suggestions. While I think I want to keep the original topic. The reason is that gender imbalance is a broader idea. Missing women is just one aspect of gender imbalance. The reason I talked sex-selective abortion a lot is that it is one of the main reasons of missing women of China.

My article focus on the missing women, which is narrower than gender imbalance. That's the reason I think it might be better to keep my original topic.

I'm not sure if I make it clear about keeping the topic unchanged. If you still think it's better to change the topic, let me know please. Thank you so much! I'll keep improving it. More suggestions are welcomed. ^o^ Thank you again for reviewing and suggestions. Thanks! Yangtana Li (talk) 01:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Yangtana Li and thanks for your message. A title like "Missing women in China" is potentially confusing and misleading, since it implies that such people are somehow "lost", which is not the case since they were never there in the first place. That is why I suggested "Gender imbalance in China", which is the broad topic, and in that article you then have a section using your title, "Sex-selective abortion", to which "Gender imbalance in China" currently redirects, is also a subtopic of "Gender imbalance in China". So, what we should end up with in an ideal world is an article on "Gender imbalance in China" with sections on "Sex-selective abortion" and "Missing women". The "Sex-selective abortion" section will have a {{main}} link to that article while your section ... well ... it depends how long it is. For now, there is a further issue, which is that as it stands your proposed article reads like a an essay and contains original research, neither of which are permitted under Wikipedia guidelines. I suggest that you sort those out first and we'll move on from there. 顺便，我看得懂中文, Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 09:46, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88: Hi Philg88, sorry for the late reply. I was busy with my Wikipedia draft and other course exam last week. Missing women is a terminology in gender area coined by Amartya Sen, a Nobel Prize winner. There is already an article called "Missing women of Asia" in Wikipedia, so I think "Missing women of China" is ok as well. I hope you don't mind I explain it in Chinese. 根据我的instructor的建议，我已经把 topic 改成 Missing women of China 了。之前的 Missing women in China 确实容易产生误导。改了之后看起来应该会好一些。我还是觉得 Missing women of China 比 Gender imbalance in China 更合适。Gender imbalance 是广泛的性别比例失调，可以是男多女少，也可以是女多男少。但是 missing women 就是被定义为由女性的性别歧视产生的性别比例失调。所以我理解的gender imbalance 范围要大一些。在中国，没有女多男少的情况，只有由于性别歧视产生的missing women, 所以我认为missing women更准确一些。 However, now I have a big problem with my Wikipedia page and I really need your help. According to the writing center of our university and my professor's advices, I made a lot of changes with my Wikipedia page from last Friday to Saturday. Then I moved it to the namespace on Sunday according to my course's requirement. But now I find it has been deleted. It's said, "the page is not ready for Articlespace and Please do not move it back untill it passes AFC)". I'm so worried that my course gonna end this week and the due date of the Wikipedia contribution will coming soon. Could you tell me how can I make it moved to the namespace successfully without deleting? If you need to see my revised article, I can send it to you.(through email or something else?) I really need your help. Thank you so so so much! Yangtana Li (talk) 14:01, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Yangtana Li and thanks for the message. 不要担心， your article hasn't been deleted, you moved it to the article space before it had been reviewed at AfC when you should have waited. That isn't allowed under the AfC guidelines so another editor moved it back to the draft space pending completion of the review. You can now find it at Draft:Missing women of China. I understand that you have a pressing requirement to get this into main space so first of all you need to resubmit the article for review by clicking on the "Resubmit" button at the top of the draft page. Before you do that, you will see that I have put two requests for clarification in the first paragraph. Please address those before you resubmit. Once you have done the resubmission, leave me a message here (don't forget the "ping" to tell me its done) and I will do the review either later today or first thing tomorrow. Let's make sure that we get you through this course requirement! Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 04:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Philg88. I saw your reply on Hasteur's talk page just now. I'm sorry for that. I don't know that it's not good to leave messages on others' talk page before you told me that. I just too worried to do that this afternoon. Sorry for that. I've seen your two comments in my article page. I'm trying to revise it to make it more like an encyclopaedia rather than an essay. For another problem you mentioned, the title, I still prefer to keep "Missing women of China". I have two reasons for that. First, "missing women" is a more academic phrase. Since there already exists the terminology, I think it is better to use it. People will search "Missing women" instead of "Gender imbalance" if they are trying to get some relevant informations. There are many journal articles on google scholar talking about missing women. I think this is the most important reason. Another reason is that "gender imbalance" includes two side: males are far more than females or males are much less than females. "Missing women" is the former one due to discriminations against females. You know, in China, females are much less than males. 不知道我是不是把我的想法表述清楚了。What do you think of that? You also mentioned sex-selective abortion above. I saw the article you linked above and sex-selective abortion indeed caused the imbalanced sex ratio in China. Therefore, it can also be a subtopic of missing women of China, right? ^o^

It is 00:03 a.m. now In Salt Lake City. I gonna sleep now. Good rest can help study. ^o^ I will keep working on the article tomorrow morning and finish revising as soon as possible in tomorrow. By the way, what is "ping" you mentioned above? Thank you for helping me with the article and giving me advices! Thanks! Sorry for leaving message anywhere again. Yangtana Li (talk) 00:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Yangtana Li. 我明白你的意思，没问题。 Let's leave the article title as it is for now - it can always be moved later. The most important thing is to get the article fixed up and into the main space. I will carry on going through it, making changes to fit Wikipedia guidelines and leaving notes where appropriate. Once you have addressed these, resubmit the article and I will review it. The "ping" I mentioned is to alert me to a new message from you (which you do like this: {{ping|Philg88}}) - normally you don't need to do that on a user talk page because notification is automatic, but as your requirement is urgent it means that I'm more likely to see a message from you. 祝你好睡觉, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 06:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88: Hi Philg88, Thank you so much for your revisions on my article yesterday. I just saw them today. Thank you so much for that! I'm really appreciated! Based on your revisions, I made some other tiny changes on my article (deleted some words and sentences, added some in-text citations), deleted one subsection ( in consequences section), and instead added another subsection (still in consequences section). I'm not sure if the article now can match the Wikipedia guidelines. Could you help me to check please? Thank you!! The most worried thing for me is whether the article still looks like an essay. >< If there are still something need to be changed please let me know. I'm always staying here until late midnight. Thank you!! Yangtana Li (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Yangtana Li. OK, I've made some further final revisions. Once you have addressed the one request for clarification the article should be good to go. You will need to resubmit it then I will do the review. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 05:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88: Hi Philg88, thanks for your current revisions! Thank you! I've changed the second sentence in "Aging population effects" and added the citation there, but I'm not sure if I made the citation in the right place (the citation I made is after the comma). Is it the request you said above? I'm so sorry for one thing: I just want to change the "in" to "of " in the first sentence you added for me, because changing "in" to "of" will seems to be the same with the article title. But I accidentally deleted part of the sentence and I don't remember what is you revised expression. So I can just rewrite it. So I'm not sure if the first sentence now looks ok. So sorry for that! So could I resubmit the article now or do it after you check the first sentence of the article for my deleting by mistake? (sorry again.) Do I need to notify you after I resubmit? Yangtana Li (talk) 01:03, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@Yangtana Li: I've fixed up the first sentence - please do not change it as the grammar is correct. You can go ahead and resubmit the article - you don't need to notify me as I am watching the page. I have also listed myself as the article's reviewer on the coursework page. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 07:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88: Thanks so much! I'm really appreciated about your helping! Sorry for taking your busy time, but I still have to questions: (1). Is it means that all I need to do after resubmit is to waiting for reviewing? And could I move the article to the namespace by myself? when could I do that? or anyone else will do that but not me? (2). I just click the resubmit button and then click the save button in the new coming out page. Have I finish the resubmission with this two steps? I've seen nothing changed in my page except a reviewing waiting box at the very bottom of the page. The top of the page after I resubmit is still with "Draft". Sorry for so much questions at your busy time. Yangtana Li (talk) 01:51, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@Yangtana Li: You're welcome. I will do the review now. As for moving the article, because you previously moved it to the main space when you should not have, only an administrator can now move the article. Don't worry, I will ask the administrator involved to do it. Now all you have to do is wait. Please be a little patient :) ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 08:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much Philg88!! ^o^ This is my first time to work on Wikipedia. Before my move was taken down, I didn't know that it's not allowed to move in that situation. Sorry for that. My mistake made the thing a little troublesome. Fortunately, the good news is that everything goes well now with your great help! Thank you again! If there are any other problems with the article when you are reviewing, let me know please. I'll also keep on improving. Thanks!!! 谢谢你！Best, Yangtana Li (talk) 02:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@Yangtana Li: 不用客气。 I am waiting for an admin to unprotect your article, then I will move it to the article space. Please do not edit it further until that is done. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 08:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

嘿嘿！好的！听你的。I won't edit it before it's done. Thanks! ^^ Have a nice day Philg88! Yangtana Li (talk) 02:41, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you copyedit

Hello Philg88, I know you are an expert copyeditor so I was wondering if you can do some copyediting here. Actually the things you have to do is, you have to copyedit and change the bullets into paragraphs. See there are sections with bullet points change atleast three sections into paragraphs. Please help me here. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 02:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jim Cartar, thanks for the message. I took a look at your draft and without being critical, what you are asking for isn't a copyedit, it's the creation of an article from a list of facts, which is a very different thing. While I could probably make a half decent job of it, I don't want to take it on at this stage because I know too little about the topic and don't feel I could do your research justice. I suggest that you have a go at creating the requisite prose from the bulleted lists and I will then polish it for you. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 04:58, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I have changed this section from bullets to prose now can you have a look and make some essential changes if needed. Thank you again. Jim Carter ^(talk) 01:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar::  Done There you go. I have left one inline note in the text. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 08:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Great, thank you so much. Actually you are correct it is caste system and abolition of Sati. I will soon work on other sections. Really, you are a true copyeditor. Thank you again. Jim Carter ^(talk) 08:53, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome :) ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 08:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello Philg88, I have completed my work on this draft. Now it needs your polishing. I have changed most of the bullet sections into prose. Now the draft is almost complete just your excellent copyediting is needed. So I was wondering if you can help me? Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:29, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey Jim Cartar, sure. I'll do it section by section over the next couple of days and let you know when it's finished. Please don't change it while I'm on the case to avoid edit conflicts. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 07:36, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, Thank you so so so much. You are the Best. Jim Carter ^(talk) 08:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Is it complete now? Can I move it to mainspace now? Can I take it for DYK or a peer review? Jim Carter ^(talk) 06:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey Jim Cartar please slow down! Wikipedia is a marathon rather than a sprint and no, it isn't finished. As I said previously, I will let you know when it is. The copyedit on your article is not a two minute job and requires a lot of thought so please be patient. As for the DYK, the clock only starts once the article enters the main space so there is no rush. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 06:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh sorry, please take your time there is no hurry. I'm sorry. Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:01, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: The copyedit of your article is now complete; here are a few comments to bear in mind:

• There are still three bulleted lists in the article - good articles use prose
• You should decide what you are calling this group - sometimes you refer to them as Moderates, sometimes as Early Nationalists. It's your call which one you use but be consistent.
• Don't forget to convert Category:History of India and Category:Indian politicians at the end of the article text into categories.

Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 07:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

And anything else. I mean WP:OVERLINK as you mentioned in the edit summary? And since you have many articles featured on DYK so what you think should I take this for DYK? will it pass? Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: You don't want much do you?

I've fixed the over/duplicate links but you need to address these two further issues as well as those listed above:

• There are too many links in the lead - read WP:LEAD and follow the advice, I recommend that you move all the references in the lead to the appropriate places in the main body.
• There are three citations missing

As for the DYK, nothing explosively interesting or world-changing jumps out of the article as it stands. Consider these questions: were the Early Nationalists the first to do something? Did they do something that altered the course of world history? What made them unique? If you can identify something that fits one of these criteria —with references to back it up— then you can certainly submit it for DYK. There is no "pass" or "fail" for DYK if it meets the criteria explained here. So, provided you follow the rules, there is no reason why it won't be accepted. ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 08:24, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help. I have done what you said. But I can't change the bullets into prose because I know little bit about them. And I can't find much about them after some research. Now can you take a quick look. I will move it tomorrow. And yes it has made a change in our Indian history because they are the starting point of organished nationalistic movement in India. I have also added a reference to it. So that it can be taken for DYK. Thanks again. Jim Carter ^(talk) 14:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey Jim Cartar, I've made a few changes to the lede to improve readability. Good to go now. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 05:18, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I will not move it now since it is not complete. I will add two more sections. Thanks again. Jim Carter ^(talk) 06:05, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello Philg88, I have added another section but it need your copyediting see here please. Please let me know if you can copyedit. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 11:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar:  Done ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 12:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Great work! Awesome speed! Thank you. Any further comments?? Jim Carter ^(talk) 14:01, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: Not really, there's nothing that I can do to improve it further as it stands. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 15:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Can I use this hook [....] that the Early Nationalists were the formal beginning of the organised national movement in India?. This hook is mentioned on the lead section. Jim Carter ^(talk) 09:13, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar:The hook is OK for length and there is a reference to it, however, the reference is "offline". Some reviewers will accept that AGF, others may request an online source. I would find and add another reference if I were you to beef it up a bit. You also need to fix the ISBN of the existing reference - it is flagged as an error. I happen to know off the top of my head that the correct isbn is 978-0195-7773-45 :) Cheers,  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

p.s. If you want to reply please start a new section - this is getting too long.

Greater Shanghai Plan

Didn't know this article existed. Another nice surprise from you. Thank you! -Zanhe (talk) 15:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Why thank you Zanhe. The plan I drew for that article is probably my favourite out of all the map's I've created over the years. I have another new article up my sleeve, which I think you will also enjoy. Should be finished by next week at the latest. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 16:07, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I eagerly look forward to that. The map is awesome. I didn't realize you're also good at making maps. Would you be interested in creating the missing location maps for some of the Chinese provinces (Beijing, Gansu, Hunan, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, etc.)? They can potentially be used in tens of thousands of Chinese towns and villages like the ones in this template. I looked into cropping the map images from www.openstreetmap.org and adding coordinates, but my ineptitude with graphics tools makes the task too daunting. -Zanhe (talk) 18:56, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Zanhe, I like text and maps - they complement each other beautifully. As for the location maps you mention, I'm not quite sure what you mean. The idea with towns and villages etc. is not to create an individual map for each location but rather to use a provincial map template in an infobox then add the coordinates for a pushpin. There is an example at Fumian District using a topographic map that I created. Is that the sort of thing you mean?

FYI there is a gallery of all my maps here. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 04:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I actually wrote Fumian District using the Guangxi map, without realizing you created it, so thanks! But if you look at Category:China location map templates, quite a few provinces are missing. NordNordWest created most of the existing ones, but did not do all provinces. I remember Lieutenant of Melkor (one of his previous incarnations) requested his help a while ago, but he was too busy with other stuff. -Zanhe (talk) 05:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Zanhe: Hmm ... this being Wikipedia, there appear to be different interpretations of what format a location map should be in - some are topographic whilst others use the standard yellow with boundaries. The Jiangsu template (which uses a map created in 2009) is way outside existing conventions —horrible numbers ruin it, its not an SVG and adding a pusphpin would make it even uglier. Alas discussion of the map guidelines has been stalled for a year so there is no policy in place. Personally, I prefer the "yellow" variety as it's more informative. Thoughts? ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 05:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I prefer the standard yellow ones too. Yes, the current Jiangsu map looks ugly, and so are Hebei and Henan. The Shanghai map is a crop from openstreetmap.org. Better than nothing, I guess. -Zanhe (talk) 06:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Zanhe: I'll add it to my todo list but I'm not quite sure when I'll get around to it. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 06:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Do it whenever you feel like it. -Zanhe (talk) 07:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Please type your message title here

Many thanks, Best Wishes, Khanom Khanom (talk) 12:13, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Illustrated Treatise on the Maritime Kingdoms

Is this what you were talking about earlier? You're right, I enjoyed it very much indeed! -Zanhe (talk) 18:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Zanhe: Indeed, I guessed that you'd pick up on it after I added a link from some of the articles we both watch. Glad you enjoyed it, awesome book and its a shame that Lin Zexu never got the credit he deserved for it. Should make DYK sometime soon. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 18:56, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Congrats on a great and much needed article! I added links at Xu Jiyu and copied your reference to the Cambridge History and added it there. One question, though: I couldn't find the Wikidata 海國圖志. ch (talk) 19:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@CWH: It's here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11150428. I've already added a link there to Phil's article. -Zanhe (talk) 19:12, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

To editors Zanhe and CWH: Thanks to both of you for your kind assistance. ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 19:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks @Zanhe:, I guess I thought the text would be there, but now I see that it's an invitation for somebody to enter it? ch (talk) 19:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Reply to the earlier discussion

Thanks the ISBN was  Fixed. And what about its assessment what class should I give it? Jim Carter ^(talk) 11:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Once it's in the main article space you should request an assessment here rather than do it yourself. As it stands, I would say that the article is borderline B/C class, the three bulleted lists that I have pointed out to you before really need turning into prose before it could be considered a "B". In terms of importance, I would certainly rate it as top/high given the crucial role of the Early Nationalists in establishing the country. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 12:22, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that Dab link. Now I see Sitush has flooded the article with minor problems. He actually has a habit of digging out minor problems. But honestly he is a good editor. Anyway, I will try to fix the problems by tomorrow. (Is it very much needed to add full citations since I have seen many Good articles don't have full citations).

Your new signature is looking good. :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 19:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: I wouldn't call them "minor problems", just things that need to be fixed up :). You've done a good job on the article so far but the devil is always in the detail. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 06:09, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm fixing them now. Sitush have added "need quotation to verify" template, so I have added a quotation here please see and let me know if this is the correct format. Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:05, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar:The link you provided isn't a diff so it doesn't help. However, I've shortened the quote to show the essence, although I doubt if it spans pp 36-29, unless it's written backwards in very big letters :)  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:03, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I have  Fixed all the problems raised by Sitush. Please take a quick look and let me know if I overlooked something. (It took 4 hours to fix everything, most of the time was wasted searching books in the library). Jim Carter ^(talk) 12:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: Page numbers look fine. Sitush has raised a valid concern on the talk page, which you should address.  Philg88 ^♦talk 06:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Added another reliable source to backup that school book source. Take a look. Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Philg, did you added three new blank sub-sections? Can you expand them? Or should I start expanding them? Jim Carter ^(talk) 10:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: I added them for you to expand and improve the article as and when you want to. The link to the source I left in the edit comment is supposed to be used wherever if might be useful to satisfy Sitush's concerns.  Philg88 ^♦talk 10:56, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I have expanded one of the sub section, please copyedit. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 15:30, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar:  Done with one request for clarification.  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Clarified. :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Palestine (historic region) topics

Template:Palestine (historic region) topics has been nominated for merging with Template:Palestine topics. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you.GreyShark (dibra) 15:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done  Philg88 ^♦talk 16:53, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Taipei climate

That's enough. It's high time I made usage of my machine, here. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee ^welcome!" 16:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

@Lieutenant of Melkor: You've lost me :)  Philg88 ^♦talk 16:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

All pages in my userspace with the prefix "User:Lieutenant of Melkor/Climate" have been granted indefinite semi-protection per requests in userspace. And I intend to make use of that to halt almost all possible disruption to this data. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee ^welcome!" 16:55, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

@Lieutenant of Melkor: Good job, but how does that solve the "rain = green" problem?  Philg88 ^♦talk 17:02, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Fujian Dali Group

Thank you for the comments! I'll discuss these edits.

In regards on whether to use template:zh or template:Chinese I heard that when it's only Mandarin Pinyin and there are traditional and simplified characters (meaning three fields) then it is an either or on whether to use template:zh or Template:Chinese. But if you bring in other dialects, then one should definitely use template:Chinese. I am fine with the switch to Template:Chinese.

In regards to "In 2004 the company annually sold 7 billion yuan worth of product," which had "annually" deleted: The source sentence states: "The company currently has annual sales of CNY 7 billion (€700m)." so I had forgotten to write "As of 2004" instead of "In 2004". The source sentence meant the company habitually had sales of 7 billion yuan so I'll reword it to try to reflect that.

All of the other edits are fine. Thanks again! WhisperToMe (talk) 08:31, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi WhisperToMe, thanks for the meesage. The balance between {{zh}} and {{Chinese}} is sometimes hard to call. It's really about the amount of space it takes up in the lede: "Fujian Dali Group Co., Ltd. (simplified Chinese: 福建达利集团有限公司; traditional Chinese: 福建達利集團有限公司; pinyin: Fújiàn Dálì Jítuán Yǒuxiàngōngsī)" is breathtaking long and off-putting for some readers - hence why I put it in a Chinese infobox. For a two character Chinese name, {{zh}} can be fine, even when it's populated with four (short) fields. As for "In 2004 the company annually ...", the word "annually" is redundant since you already said when, so I deleted it. If you are going to change it to "As of 2004", I'd recommend you use the {{As of}} template as it flags potentially dated information for those interested. Cheers,  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

What's next for the Missing women of China article?

Hi Philg88: I would like to find out what's holding up the move of this article from the sandbox to the main namespace. Please let me know (or please move it). Thanks. BerikG (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I cannot even locate the sandbox where this article is. The next step is for two peers to provide comments on the Talk page of each article (and you signed up as a reviewer, I see). How can students comment on the talk page of this article? Of course, my request is that you either move the article from whereever it is at the moment to the main namespace or allow Yangtana to do so. Thanks.BerikG (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, BerikG and thanks for the message. Draft:Missing women of China is now ready awaiting review by any editor except the author, Yangtana Li. For the reasons I've explained above and in various other places, I do not believe that the article title is appropriate and that a significant about of work is also required for its integration with associated articles before it moves to the main space. That said, the article is no longer move protected and provided it is accepted by a reviewing editor, anyone can move it. I think I should also recuse myself as a reviewer at the education assignments page given the level of my involvement in copyediting and restructuring of the article. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Philg88: I met some difficulties to understand what you said above. Could you help me to explain that in more simple words? Sorry for my poor English. :p You said you still think that the article title is not appropriate and that a significant about of work is required before it moves to the main space. So I'm confused with this sentence: "the article is no longer move protected and provided it is accepted by a reviewing editor, anyone can move it." Is it mean that I could move it now? or I still need to do more revisions before the move? Thanks! Yangtana Li (talk) 06:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Yangtana Li and sorry if I confused you. 因为你写了那个条目，不允许将迁移。 不需要进行编辑，但是必须找到另一个编者帮你考核。 祝好， Philg88 ^♦talk 06:48, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Philg88: Thanks for your explanation! 实在抱歉，不是你的问题，是我的英文水平还需要大大的提高。我明白了：现在你不能帮我考核了，需要再找另一个编者帮我考核，通过了才可以move to main space. 实在抱歉，拖累你了。>< 那我需要自己找编者对吗？你觉得这样可以吗：我去找我们这个Wikipedia Education Program 的 online volunteer，她也是编者。你看行吗？Thanks.Yangtana Li (talk) 07:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Yangtana Li: 你的英文水平太好了！不要当心！ 当然你可以问那位online volunteer,她应该帮你。  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

谢谢你 Philg88.！以后学习的同时我也要继续努力提高英文！哈哈！That's a good news for me. I gonna leave a message to her to see if she can help me to move the article to the namespace. Thanks so much for helping me with the article these days! Thanks a lot! I'll keep improving it after finals this week. 如果以后涉及关于中国方面的内容，我还会来找你帮忙的！^^ Thanks!! Have a nice day! ^o^ Best,Yangtana Li (talk) 08:39, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Illustrated Treatise on the Maritime Kingdoms

The DYK project (nominate) 10:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Phil, Did You Know ... that Illustrated Treatise on the Maritime Kingdoms was one of the most viewed DYK of April 2014?

I've added it to WP:DYKSTATS. -Zanhe (talk) 21:57, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Zanhe. I didn't know ... that passed the 5K barrier and it was good of you to add it to the stats. Still behind March's Destruction of opium at Humen - that got 6,445. Oh well, onwards and upwards ...  Philg88 ^♦talk 03:57, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Masikryong Ski Resort

The DYK project (nominate) 10:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Philg88: Tirelessly, day in, day out, you design new maps, help with "articles for creation", copyedit articles in need, respond to queries on the China noticeboard, create new wikis and write DYKs. You are indefatigable, and as such you deserve this Tireless Contributor Barnstar. Keep up the good work! Madalibi (talk) 10:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Madalibi, that was a very kind comment. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 16:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I totally agree with Madalibi! -Zanhe (talk) 20:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Here Here! ch (talk) 01:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Make it two. Jim Carter ^(talk) 04:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Early Nationalists

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 06:38, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Your knee-jerk revert

Let me politely suggest that you not edit war on the Gandhi page. I have been working on the article for a long time. You haven't. You are not an expert on Gandhi. Merely checking a detail or two is not enough. There is a longstanding process of consensus building in place on that page. I just purchased Disalvio's book. While it does have useful details, there is no mention of University College, London. Nevertheless, you have left UCL in. Besides, in a much chronicled and analyzed life such as Gandhi's, there are opinions (by respected historians such as Judith M. Brown, Anthony Low, Stanley Wolpert, or political scientists such as Lloyd and Susanne Rudolph, much better known than Disalvio or Guha) about every aspect of his career. Scholars are mentioned by name in just one section of the Gandhi article. Please self-revert before I open a long drawn out debate on the talk page. I have left a question for Disalvio. Let him answer it, and we can together decide what is important and what is not. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: Hi there and thanks for your message. Actually, it wasn't a knee jerk revert. I spent some time checking out Professor Desalvio and his book and I believe that his comment is germane to the article, accurate and notable. I'm not going to self-revert because my edits corrected inaccurate information about how the English legal system works. I will, however, remove the contentious quotes pending a reply from Professor Desalvio and a subsequent talk page discussion.  Philg88 ^♦talk 06:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, no big deal. My apologies. I've replied at greater length at talk:MKG. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 07:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Reference citation for Shanghai schools ranked #1 in the world

Here is a reference citation you requested that shows Shanghai was ranked #1 in the world for international science and mathematics competitions for highschool students. Please add this to the wikipedia page.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/03/world/asia/pisa-education-study/

Thanks! 27.100.16.241 (talk) 10:43, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@27.100.16.241: Well, that's very kind of you, but why are you posting it here rather than adding it to the article?  Philg88 ^♦talk 10:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:17, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Phil, you're probably unaware that this IP-hopping user has been keen on pushing the ridiculous POV that Lord Chunshen was the king of his own country. After that article was protected, he's now migrated to Four Lords of the Warring States, Chu (state), and Shanghai to continue his POV pushing. He may be the same person that was vandalizing Han Chinese in November last year, as some of his IPs are from Zhenjiang, though he seems to be using proxies from a variety of locations. As for the claim that Shanghai is ranked #1 in education, it's already covered in detail in the PISA paragraph, with all the nuances. -Zanhe (talk) 05:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Zanhe and thanks for the heads up. I saw the Lord Chunshen POV pushing and was going to leave it until the IP settled down - they were making multiple sequential edits and in such cases I usually wait a day or so then go back and clear up. Sorry, I should have checked re the education thing. Please feel free to zap it and put Lord Chunshen back where he belongs. I will take a look at Four Lords of the Warring States. Best.  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

@Zanhe: I've copyedited Four Lords of the Warring States and AFAIK there is no undue weight given to Lord Chunshen. Please check and amend as you see fit.  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

The main issue on Four Lords of the Warring States is not undue weight (although undue weight for Chunshen is an issue on Shanghai), but that the IP insists on adding the falsehood that the lords were the heads of their states, while they were merely noblemen in the service of their kings who held real power. In fact, Mark Edward Lewis in the Cambridge History of Ancient China specifically emphasizes that the power of the lords was quite limited. I took out a lot of garbage with these edits, but was promptly reverted by IP. I don't want to waste time edit warring with an elusive IP troll, so I'll leave it for a day or two. -Zanhe (talk) 07:26, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

@Zanhe: No problem, I'll leave it in your capable hands. Cheers,  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Pinging Madalibi in case he hasn't seen this discussion.  Philg88 ^♦talk 15:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! I edited the page after I heard of it right here. Best,Madalibi (talk) 00:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, mon ami, tres bien. Merci,  Philg88 ^♦talk 03:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Mais de rien, mon ami! Madalibi (talk) 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Another article

Hello Philg, can you copyedit here. Thank you :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 14:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar:  Done Please see my edit summary - this draft is currently unsuitable as a Wikipedia BLP article.  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I know per NPOV but I have reliable sources which might help. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 05:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Take a look, I have added strong enough references. Although they are bare links but they will support the statement. Please take a look and verify it. Thanks. Jim Carter ^(talk) 11:49, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: The references look OK at first glance, I haven't checked each one but they appear to be reliable. Assuming you have correctly cited their contents, there should be no issues - one example I would point out is that a claim that Mandal "repeatedly" did something is not supported by a source saying he did it twice - that is not "repeatedly". Say something like "On two occasions".  Philg88 ^♦talk 12:21, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Philg, I will fix it. So? Can I move it to mainspace? Jim Carter ^(talk) 12:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: You need to fix up the bare urls (use {{Cite web}}) and check that each citation supports the relevant article text. Then it should be fine. Clarification added the "it" means the article referencing, nothing more.  Philg88 ^♦talk 12:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks :) BTW can't I use {{Cite news}}? Jim Carter ^(talk) 12:40, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Sure - where it's relevant.  Philg88 ^♦talk 12:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

O.o It was a misunderstanding. Sorry. Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: No problem. Rather than requesting deletion of the draft, why don't you find some positive or neutral things to say about Anubrata Mandal? He must have done something to get elected to the Trinamool Congress in the first place.  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes he have done... He have killed 3 people to get elected for Trinamool. His life stands on negative things I can't find anything. What else I can find is more negative. Please suggest me what should I do now. Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: Well, apart from the unprovable fact that his mother no doubt loves him, you could try a couple of these:

Mamata defends murder-accused leader Anubrata Mandal

"Mamata's public backing of Mandal is evidently an attempt energize the party organization in the run up to Lok Sabha election. By doing this, Mamata has taken the same path as CPM's West Midnapore secretary Dipak Sarkar, who had defended controversial leaders like Tapan Ghosh and Sukur Ali."

Partha attacks Buddhadeb

"The Trinamul Congress secretary general today hit back at former West Bengal chief minister, Mr Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, for his remark that had he been the chief minister, Trinamul Congress leader Anubrata Mandal had been in jail, a long time ago."

Now, I am not saying that you should include these quotes in full in your draft or that they will make it suitable for the main article space, but they will give you a springboard from which to provide balance.

Some more general advice for your real life future career - stay out of Indian politics - it appears to be a distinctly nasty business.  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Very true....Although I'm not yet a voter but I try to maintain huge distances from Indian politics (Sitush is an expert in this topic) In this case also if I move this article to mainspace without changing anything i.e. Negative article. Then I'm sure if any Trinamool supporter notice this article, they will either try to delete negative statements or will try to attack me. (Recently a local journalist of Anandabazar patrika was attacked for not maintaining neutrality in his article about Trinamool Congress.) Anyway, I have got some informations about his early life. I will use it and thank you for this helpful links and precious advice. I will try to balance this article. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 10:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Ha! If you want my advice, stay out of Indian politics on Wikipedia as well as in real life. I've had death threats and all sorts just for fixing problems in that subject area, and I'm not even Indian or living in India. If you live there then you've potentially got big problems with lawsuits etc. Certainly, keep yourself in the pre-Independence period. - Sitush (talk) 10:10, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Sitush, I shall maintain my impartiality whilst continuing to indulge my passion for Indian cuisine (tested first for poison, naturally).  Philg88 ^♦talk 10:15, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Sitush for your kind advice.

@Philg, I know am disturbing you. I'm working on another project here which will need copyediting. It will be much bigger than Early Nationalists so I thought I should let you know so that you can copyedit by taking your own time. No hurry. 20 words/day is fine. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 14:27, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: I think that it's a bit early to copyedit what is barely a draft stub. Let me know when the article is approaching completion and I'll give it the once over. Start a new section when you do so - section headings don't have a monthly usage limit. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I will let you know. Thanks. Jim Carter ^(talk) 06:14, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Added this section to balance the article. Please copyedit if you have time and let me know if I can move it. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 10:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: No, it isn't ready for the main space, there are a couple of things that need sorting out. I see you've moved it anyway. Why do you ask for advice then not bother to wait for a reply?  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:34, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Please don't mind Philg, I thought you are busy. And today we are having elections here and I thought if I move it then some other users might also help it expand. Please don't mind...Please give your advice and what are the things that need sorting out? please don't mind Philg, I Assumed good faith while moving that draft. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 09:58, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey Jim Cartar, I don't "mind" you moving the article so don't worry about that, I just wish that sometimes you would slow down a bit. I know you are a keen editor, but as I've said before, Wikipedia is a marathon, not a sprint. The important thing is to maintain the integrity of the project by ensuring that topic coverage is well-written and passes certain criteria - particularly in the case of BLPs (and in this specific example to further bear in mind Sitush's comments above). MelanieN has done a fine job in addressing my concerns, the only remaining thing I don't like is the quote box - it looks odd and is a bit WP:UNDUE right at the top of the article. That said, it's certainly not a showstopper. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 04:56, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. I understand, I will slow down, thank you for your kind advice. BTW should I move the quote box to the bottom? Or should I remove it? Jim Carter ^(talk) 06:14, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. As for the quote, I would dump the box and work it into the first paragraph along the lines of [When and where he said it] , Mandal stated "...." [reference]. I hope that helps.  Philg88 ^♦talk 06:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you do this on my behalf? Am going out of town for some hours. Thanks Jim Carter ^(talk) 06:38, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:19, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 11:17, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Untitled section

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Great_Bulgaria

how is it that turk is older term than Bulgar when great old bulgaria can not be lemon fresh at 600 AD. in order something to be great and old it needs to be at least 100 years old if not more????????????????????????? he is a descendant from the HUNS

47. And when the inhabitants of Byzantium heard this news, they said: 'This project is concerned with Kubratos, chief of the Huns, the nephew of Organa, who was baptized in the city of Constantinople, and received into the Christian community in his childhood and had grown up in the imperial palace.[1]

[1] http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/nikiu2_chronicle.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_(clan)

if you run a statistical regression of the tribes here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togarmah

you'll realize ohguz is mistranslated,mistyped, fading error over the centuries with ungar.

gar means tribe. Bul-Gar, Hun-Gar, Ma- Gar, Aldi-Gar : signing message for 99.33.211.25 on 28 April 2014

I have no idea what you are talking about. If this is about my revert to your content removal at Xiongnu, please see my comment on your talk page.  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I do apologize,it was by mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.33.211.25 (talk) 09:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Samuel Bowen

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DYK for Samuel Bowen

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NatGeo map

In case you haven't figured it out, I want the image for the Motor Torpedo Boat PT-109 article. If you want to make the map, and you'll handle uploading it to Wikimedia, I'll add it to the article. If you like, credit yourself in the image, similar to NatGeo's copyright statement in their image. I'd like a map with the following changes:

1. Larger size, say 640px wide.

2. No globe inset.

3. No shaded area labeled "Approximate search area".

4. All "PT 109" changed to "PT-109".

5. "PT-109 wreck drifts south" changed to "PT-109 bow section drifts south".

6. No emphasis for "PT-109 wreck found" (not in a box, not a larger typeface).

Thanks! Mandruss (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mandruss and thanks for the message. I'll take care of the map for you and let you know when it's uploaded. I don't put credits in my maps/images - they are freely licensed with attribution to the Wikimedia Foundation, who make all this possible. Let me comment on your points individually:

1. No problem, the image will be in SVG format so it will scale to whatever size is required without loss of definition.

2. By convention, Wikipedia event location maps generally contain something that helps readers get an idea of where in the world the event happened, so I'm going to use an inset based on an existing map.

3. Why don't you want the search area shown? It's no big deal if it isn't, I'm just curious why you don't want it.

4-5-6 Text will be taken care of.

Please give me a couple of days to do this.  Philg88 ^♦talk 19:37, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

NatGeo created their map in conjunction with their 2002 search expedition led by Robert Ballard. So their emphasis and purpose is different from mine, which is to illustrate only the 1943 events. The article cites the NatGeo image, so readers who want to understand the search operation can click on the link to their image. In fact, on second thought, I'd like to omit "PT 109 wreck found" and simply extend that southward arrow a little more.

Re "it will scale to whatever size is required," you're slightly over my head since I've never added an image to an article. I'll assume that what you create will allow a thumbnail which can be clicked on to display a version at around 640px.

Take all the time you need for awesome results. Mandruss (talk) 19:54, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• 

@Mandruss: There you go. Note that the map is not identical to the Natgeo one because it is based on accurate orthographic map data (OpenStreetMap) for both the islands and the point of collision. Let me know if you want anything changed/added. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:21, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88: Nice work, and fast too. There's a problem with the distance of the swim. All of the literature states this distance as 3.5 miles, but it's not quite 3 kilometers on your map. Since there's such a high degree of consensus on this distance, and since the challenge of this swim is such a big part of the story, I think it's important to be close to 3.5 mi. (I've never seen that stated as nautical miles, so I'm assuming statute).

NatGeo's map looks pretty close to 3.5 mi on the swim distance. I think the difference is because (1) they show the collision a little closer to Kolombangara, and (2) from the collision to the start of the swim, they show the drift direction as perhaps 175 degrees, where yours is more like 190. If their map is inaccurate as to the relative positions of the islands, that might also be a factor.

Don't take the article's collision coordinates too literally. They are merely my best guess from eyeballing NatGeo's map, rounded to the nearest minutes of lat and long. That rounding may have shifted the location a little to the west, I don't recall. I have found no other source for the collision coordinates. In fact, before I changed it, the article stated that the collision happened "near x", where x are the coordinates of Plum Pudding Island!

In hindsight, I should have said all this before you started, and I apologize for not doing so. Thanks for your efforts! Mandruss (talk) 06:31, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

If it's the only way to get a swim of 3.5 miles, I have no problem with widening the channel; i.e., moving Kolombangara to the east as necessary. I understand that that would be inaccurate, but I don't think the map would last very long with a too-short swim (there are too many protectors of the JFK legend out there). And remember, Wikipedia isn't about truth, it's about citation, and there are plenty of reliable sources for 3.5 miles.

Obviously moving Kolombangara would necessitate removal of your lat and long lines. Mandruss (talk) 07:21, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@Mandruss: All is resolved, the scale was wrong (I won't go in to the reasons why, but OSM data behaves oddly sometimes). I recalibrated the scale based on 1 minute latitude = ~ 1.15 miles and moved the collision site and arrows slightly so that the swim is now around 3.5 miles. BTW I found this source while looking in vain for the collision coordinates. Cheers,  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88: LOL. You didn't know what you were getting into when you volunteered to help me. I should have warned you that I'm unbearably picky. Women can't stand to be around me very long.

You have the bow section passing within maybe 1.2 miles of Plum Pudding. It was about 2pm when they started swimming. They were intimately familiar with the neighborhood, and no doubt they could see the direction they were drifting. Viewing this map, one might ask why they would abandon the bow section so soon, if they could see that it would carry them much closer to their target island. They could spare themselves about 2.3 miles of swimming by just hanging on for awhile (assuming it stayed afloat long enough, which it did).

You also have the bow section drifting a little more than a mile in the ~11.5 hours between the collision and the start of the swim. NatGeo shows that as a little over 2 miles, and even that stretches the imagination.

I hate to be a pain, but I can't add a map that doesn't make sense to me. Isn't there a way to better match NatGeo's map, orthographic inaccuracies and all, and just omit the information about the 2002 search? Mandruss (talk) 09:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem, have a look at the latest version.  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:44, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Nice. I'll buy it with two more little changes. Change Collide to collide for consistency, and change the default res to 640x454. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandruss (talk • contribs) 10:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done  Philg88 ^♦talk 11:59, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done I have added the map to the article. Thanks again!! Mandruss (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

More copyediting.

Hope I do this the right way now, but you said to leave a message here. I´ve gone over my draft several times now and I think it is time for you to take another look if/when you feel up to it. I´ve written some notes on the talk page. - W.carter (talk) 22:33, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done  Philg88 ^♦talk 14:37, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Beach chair

	Some well deserved rest
	A beach chair for you! So you can lean back and relax after all your hard work copyediting my draft on Einar Jolin. Thank you! W.carter (talk) 16:24, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Let me know if I can be of assistance in the future.  Philg88 ^♦talk 16:28, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Could I just ask you to take one last look at the draft. A miracle occurred regarding the references. :) - W.carter (talk) 22:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done  Philg88 ^♦talk 13:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Time for some pictures. I've left some links on the talk page. I looked at the Fair Use and it really needs an expert. But by now I can follow and watch from the sidelines. And maybe learn something. - W.carter (talk) 21:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done - W.carter (talk) 10:12, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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I made a recent change to the SCNU wiki page to add a Cantonese pronunciation. Could you tell me what I did wrong? Thanks. Rob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.137.192 (talk) 18:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rob and thanks for the message. The text you added at South China Normal University—"Cantonese pingyam: Wàhnàahm sīfaahn daaihhohk"—doesn't follow any Chinese Romanization scheme that I am aware of and looks like gibberish. That's why I reverted it.  Philg88 ^♦talk 21:02, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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Your time is now

Hi Philg88, need your help again, please copyedit here. The major work with this draft is over, now it needs your copyediting, some references and some Wikilinks. Many thanks. Let me know if you like the topic. Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey Jim Cartar. Sorry, but that article is nowhere near ready for copyediting. It has no lead, no wikilinks, no references and reads like an essay. While I don't mind helping you polish articles ready for the main article space, you do need to do some work yourself beforehand. It's not a topic that inspires me, in fact, I am none the wiser as to who or what Vivekananda was because the article has no context. One last point - do not put messages for specific editors (i.e. me) in the middle of body text, even if it is a user space draft - use the talk page with a ping.  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay I will add the lead by today, references are almost ready, wikilinks take two or three minutes and what should I do with the essay, since this topic was really an essay which I have written years ago, when I was in class 11. Now any suggestions? Jim Carter ^(talk) 07:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

This guideline might be helpful. You basically need to make the text read like an encyclopedia article, not a personal view of the world. You also need to provide some context about Vivekananda in the (currently non-existant) lead. Make sure that what you write syncs with the Vivekananda article to avoid a content fork. Having now read the "Death" section of the Vivekananda article I would question why you don't expand that rather than creating a new article.  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:24, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually I have enough stuff to create a new article instead of expanding the already existing good article (The draft is already 3356 characters without adding lead and another section). Now I will make those changes by today and tomorrow will be your time. Many thanks. Jim Carter ^(talk) 08:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I have tried to fix those issues. Please take a look now, it might be ready for copyediting. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 14:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jim Cartar. Thanks for the update. A couple of general points:

• The title should be "Death of Vivekananda", not the euphemism "Passing of".
• The topic of the article is the death of Vivekananda, yet the lead reads largely as if it is about him, and indeed uses identical references.

More importantly, let me reiterate the point I made above. I don't see the need for a standalone article. Currently Vivekanada is 38K of readable prose in length. Your proposed article is just under 4K (and I'm being generous here and including the duplicated lead), which would make a total of <42K. Per WP:SIZE, 50K is the minimum threshold at which an article should be split. What do you think?  Philg88 ^♦talk 14:48, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

So you mean I should merge my draft with Vivekananda? Jim Carter ^(talk) 15:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, when it's ready. I think that's the best way forward rather than creating another article.  Philg88 ^♦talk 15:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I support this proposal, but isn't the draft is ready now? Jim Carter ^(talk) 15:50, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: OK, I have copyedited the two relevant and retitled sections—"Decline" and "Death"—which should now be ready to merge with the existing "Death" section in the Vivekananda article, after you fix the one inline request for clarification. Over to you!  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I will move it to mainspace tomorrow and will place a merge tag over it. Thank you again. Jim Carter ^(talk) 19:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Excuse me for jumping in, Jim, but I don't think that's what Philg88 meant. I think he meant to copy and paste the relevant sections from your draft into the Vivekananda article, WITHOUT creating a new article. Phillg88, your thoughts? --MelanieN (talk) 19:58, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks MelanieN, you are absolutely right. @Jim Cartar: You agreed (above) that there would be no new article. Let me once more go over what needs to happen. The two sections that I helped you prepare need to be merged into the existing "Death" section in the Vivekananda article without losing any of its existing information or references. Before you do that, you need to provide the clarification I mentioned above and disambiguate "Divine Mother", as I don't know which Hindu goddess this refers to. Please don't do anything other than this.  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Oo... Thanks Melanie and Philg, I will do what you said. Actually I was confused, since this is the first time I'm merging two article, but it's clear to me now. Thanks again. Jim Carter ^(talk) 06:23, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

You aren't actually merging two articles. You are expanding an existing article, by adding something that you wrote up in your userspace. I do that all the time myself: write something up in my sandbox, paste it into the existing article, and then delete it from my sandbox. In this case you need to find a way to do that without losing any of the information or references that are already in the article. The best way to do that would be to first incorporate the existing material into your draft, and then paste the draft into the article. --MelanieN (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

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Don't template the regulars. It is extremely irritating.—indopug (talk) 09:14, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

@Indopug: I'm sorry if you're upset by my pointing out your lack of edit summaries, which are considered Wikipedia good practice. Your one man crusade to remove every link to Macaulayism in Wikipedia without edit summaries explaining why is not something one would expect from a "regular". What have you got against Macaulay?  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:25, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not upset that you pointed that out; I'm annoyed that you twice used gigantic templates to do it. I forgot to add edit summaries the first few times, but remembered later on.

I have no problem with Macaulay. The problem is with that Macaulayism article, which has barely has any reliable sources, especially troubling because it makes the outrageous claim that Macaulay executed a "conscious policy of liquidating indigenous culture" in the first sentence itself. And I'm not convinced that anything like Macaulayism as an "ism" really exists.—indopug (talk) 09:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

@Indopug: Again, I apologise for my use of the template, but after nine edits removing the same content with no edit summary, I wanted to do something that would attract your attention. I posted two notices because you immediately reverted the first one, which indicated a lack of interest in engaging on the issue.

I hope we can now put that behind us and move forward on resolving the underlying question, which is whether "Macaulayism" is an invented phenomenon. I will do some digging and get back to you with what I find. Hopefully, we can then reach a consensus on how to handle it. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 17:20, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

New facts and refs

Hi Philg88! After todays marathon edit there is now a lot more on Einar Jolin. If you would consider helping me out with some additional copy editing, there are some notes on my talk page. No pressure, no time limit, only if you want to and have the time. - W.carter (talk) 23:20, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem my friend. I only have tablet access today and it takes for ever to type anything. I will have a look tomorrow. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:15, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Have a glorious day AFK. - W.carter (talk) 09:36, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

@W.carter:  Done with a couple of requests for clarification.  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:49, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll look at the requests and hope I can clarify them. - W.carter (talk) 09:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Should be straightforward with your skills. BTW I worked out who GAN is - it might be better to use his full name rather than the abbreviation. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:59, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

So, #1: Gösta Adrian-Nilsson (GAN) is mentioned in the previous section along with the abbreviation of his name. He was called this during his lifetime since his name is long and cumbersome to say and his initials form a new, easier name. The original text alternates between these two. For clarification I put a link at this place as well, but I can substitute this with his full name if that is more appropriate. #2 This is a sentence from the original, rather exuberant, text. I managed to find the source in Palmgren and an article supporting it, but it just doesn’t add anything to the article and is very superflorious so I simply removed it. (So much for my skills...) There is no need for two pompous quotes from Palmgren on top of each other. Are there other clarification requests? Have I missed something?

I must say that the language you conjure up is simply beautiful! With just a couple of small tweaks you make it flow so easy. And you really have a knack for finding just the right word. - W.carter (talk) 10:45, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Using GAN if it was the common term is no big deal and it's always a sound idea to remove pompous/superfluous assertions as they add nothing. As for my language, well that's the result of a misspent youth and many hours of copyediting practice :).  Philg88 ^♦talk 10:57, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

...and modest too. :) Well, unless you have any suggestions I think I'm done "translating" this article for now. The rest is up to some hardcore researcher. Would it be ok if I pinged you when I have the next article cooking? - W.carter (talk) 11:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

@W.carter: Einar is looking good - time to move on to your next challenge. It would be my pleasure to work with you again so let me know when you have something concrete. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 13:01, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf4) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 8. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 13, and all Wikipedias on May 15 (calendar).

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• A new citation system in VisualEditor was enabled on the English Wikipedia. It will soon be enabled on more wikis. [15]
• Templates that were previously broken in VisualEditor should now appear correctly. [16]

Future software changes

• It will soon be possible to move category description pages. Pages in changed categories will still have to be moved independently. [17] [18]
• You will soon be able to clear your watchlist with one click or through the API. [19] [20] [21] [22]
• You will soon be able to link to Flow posts and workflows with Special:Flow. [23] [24]
• The jQuery JavaScript library will soon be updated. Please check that your gadgets and scripts will still work. [25]
• The Vector skin will work faster, as the sidebar will no longer collapse partly after being loaded. [26] [27] [28]
• MediaViewer will be enabled for all users on Wikimedia Commons on May 15. Feedback is welcome.
• An IRC discussion about Phabricator will take place on May 14 at 18:00 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion). [29]
• Toolserver tools will be stopped on June 30. Please make sure to change gadgets that link to the Toolserver to point to Tool Labs instead. [30]

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06:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thank you for all your hard work copyediting Einar Jolin and guiding me along. You really are a Wizard of Words! W.carter (talk) 13:10, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Why thank you, much appreciated.  Philg88 ^♦talk 13:23, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Jianye District

Hi,

Thanks for your response about New River / Hexi New City!

When looking at the very helpful statistics link you've provided, I've taken a stab at matching the statistical places to Jianye District#Subdistricts and think I may have made progress with some matches. But I've got some places without a matching subdistrict and vice versa.

Statistics places to subdistricts

• 320105001000 莫愁湖街道 - Mochouhu street == Binhu Subdistrict (滨湖街道) - appears to be Lake Street / in the northeast portion of the district, near and/or including Mochou Lake, map
• 320105002000 沙洲街道 - sandbar street == Shazhou Subdistrict (沙洲街道) same Chinese name, map of sd
• 320105003000 双闸街道 - Shuangzha street == Shuangzha Subdistrict (双闸街道)
• 320105004000 江心洲街道 - Jiangxinzhou street == ?
• 320105006000 兴隆街道 - booming street / Xinglong Street == Xinglong Subdistrict (兴隆街道) same Chinese name
• 320105007000 南苑街道 - Nanyuan Street == Nanyuan Subdistrict (南苑街道)
• 320105400000 建邺区新城科技园 - Jianye Metro Technology Park == ?
• 320105401000 建邺区河西中央商务区 - Jianye Hexi CBD, which includes Nanjing International Expo Center == ?
• 320105402000 建邺区江东商业文化旅游中心区 - Jianye District Jiangdong commercial and cultural tourism center == ?
• 320105403000 New Nanjing Eco-Technology Island == Jiangxin Island, the Jiangxinzhou Subdistrict (江心洲街道)

Subdistricts from List of township-level divisions of Jiangsu

• Nanhu Subdistrict (南湖街道) — appears to be South Lake Street / source said Nanhu is southwest of the city (assume downtown), is a village of typical workers, with concentrations of people living in poverty.[4] == ?
• Binhu Subdistrict (滨湖街道) - appears to be Lake Street / in the northeast portion of the district, near and/or including Mochou Lake - assuming  Done
• Jiangxin Island, the Jiangxinzhou Subdistrict (江心洲街道)  Done
• Nanyuan Subdistrict (南苑街道) - assuming  Done
• Shazhou Subdistrict (沙洲街道) - assuming  Done
• Shuangzha Subdistrict (双闸街道) - assuming  Done
• Xinglong Subdistrict (兴隆街道) - assuming  Done

Do you have any insight into this?

Thanks so much your link has been a HUGE help!==CaroleHenson (talk) 06:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Carole, thanks for the message and glad I could help. I would trust the official statistics website more than I would the existing Jianye District list. In other words, I'd use a referenced list above speculative content.

A couple of general points regarding Chinese places. Jiedao (街道) always means subdistrict in administrative terms (see Subdistricts of the People's Republic of China). It is generally not a good idea to try and translate the Chinese names into English (excluding things like CBD), instead use the pinyin followed by unbracketed Chinese characters wrapped in the {{zh}} template. As an example:

*[[Shazhou|Shazhou Subdistrict]] {{zh|c=沙洲街道|labels=no}}

produces:

• Shazhou Subdistrict 沙洲街道
  

Note that for mainland China that "c" will sometimes be an "s" if the traditional characters are different.

There is some useful updated material in the Chinese style guide and its associated naming conventions if you haven't read them recently.

Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:26, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Sure, I'll use the convention you mentioned above.

Based on your comments, I'll update the table to just have one column for place and remove subdistrict. I'm not sure what to do with Hanhu subdistrict. Are you saying that the list on this site is speculative?

--Thanks, again! Your help is adding great clarity on these series of articles about Nanjing!--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:40, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea.

Not sure what you mean by "Hanhu" subdistrict? Did you mean "Nanhu"? If it's not on the official list I would leave it out. About xzch.org in general: It's a useful source of information but it doesn't publish official settlement data, which is why the government stats website trumps it for reliability as a source. Such websites are often out of date or contain conflicting information depending on where they got it from.
I'm always happy to answer any questions you may have about handling China-related style/content issues.  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Copyedit Request

While searching in the Internet, I recently found the article Kingdom of Tanur. It is a small city-state in south-western India prevailed during the period of Portuguese domination of the Indian Ocean. The article was full of factual errors and was very poorly sourced from out-dated books. I made all the factual changes needed, and now I want to check the article on grammar.

Please improve the grammar (and other areas) of the article. I am ready clear any doubts on local history. I also like to change the title of the article to "Kingdom of Tanur" from "Vettathunad".

António Gomez the Second (talk) 10:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Please continue fixing problems... I am ready clear any doubts on local history.

António Gomez the Second (talk) 11:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

@António Gomez the Second: No problem. You've obviously done a lot of work on this - well done!  Philg88 ^♦talk 13:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

@António Gomez the Second:  Done Phew! that was a big article. I've left some inline notes requesting translations and clarifications. The references could also do with some attention, either by using names or simplified footnotes.  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

ThanksBig text. António Gomez the Second (talk) 04:54, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Not sure what's going on here.

I noticed that some time ago you reverted this user who was removing Simplified Chinese without an edit summary. I've noticed that this user has had a long history of removing Simplified Chinese and Pinyin from Hong Kong-related articles, without any explanation within the edit summary or article talk page. I'm suspecting that this user may not be acting in good faith. Just to let you know, in case you notice him again further continuing this sort of editing in the future. --benlisquare_T•C•E 13:15, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up benlisquare. I haven't seen the user in question for a while. Perhaps the the Chinese style guide needs to be beefed up to emphasise that there is nothing wrong with having simplified characters in Hong Kong related articles. A gentle talk page reminder probably wouldn't go amiss. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 14:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Questions to help create a new article

TPTB (talk) 14:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)Hi Philg88,

Thank you for your answer. I just wanted to ask you another question. What happens if I want to write about the history of a magazine. Can I use information from the magazine's website. I'm talking about stuff like milestones or important events that occured over the years.

I hope it's ok that I posted here and I also hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks.TPTB (talk) 14:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi TPTB and don't worry – it's fine to post here. To answer your question, Wikipedia works on the principle of coverage in reliable and independent third party sources, i.e. those not directly connected with the article. By that token, references in a magazine to an article about the magazine itself are self-referential and therefore do not count. Generally speaking, a topic that is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia will have a number of qualifying references. Sometimes it can be frustrating if these can't be found or don't exist, but that is an indication that the topic does not merit attention. If the magazine you refer to is well-established and well-regarded, you should have no problem finding suitable references. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 14:58, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Couple of Manual of Style questions

Hi,

I appreciate your offer to ask further questions about creating articles about China. I've been going through the MOS-ZH link you provided and will likely be absorbing the content over a couple of days. There were a couple of questions that came to mind:

• Under what circumstances would you use the linking to Wiktionary, such as the example {{zh|c={{linktext|中国}}}}?

• Is there a general consensus or school of thought about using ruby characters?

I am a little confused by the Romanisation section and accompanying link, but have been more mindful with your direction about seeking out text that uses the Chinese character and text... so that hopefully I'm getting content that is more likely to accurately show the English translations. Pinyin use and formatting is over my head at the moment. Any comments about this would be appreciated, though, like how concerned I need to be about this right now, etc.

Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 04:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Carole, welcome back! I don't use Chinese Wiktionary links for the following reasons:

• Most of the Chinese characters used on Wikipedia are in the context of place or personal names. There isn't a great deal that a dictionary can add to that and, particularly for personal names, links to individual characters are more likely to confuse than enlighten. Another set of examples be things like peach, where it is inherently obvious what the Chinese characters mean.
• In some cases, where a Chinese word is important to a topic, it will have its own article or will redirect, for example jinshi (進士), hong (行) or xunfu (巡抚), so a dictionary link is superfluous.
• If a definition is important and there is no article, then I would use this type of construction: "Guangdong Customs Supervisor (粵海关部监督; Yuehai guanbu jian du)", rather than link each individual character to Wiktionary.

As for Ruby annotations, they look pretty but should be used sparingly to avoid clutter and confusion. I've only seen them (rarely) used in articles on poetry or classical literature as they don't add much more than the tone marks displayed with properly formatted pinyin.

Hope this helps. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Yes, that does help!--CaroleHenson (talk) 14:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for welcome

Thank you for welcome. --109.54.1.65 (talk) 08:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome :)  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:22, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Chinese coordinates

If you're interested in weighing-in, I posted a question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Chinese coordinates about difficulty I'm having with Google maps with Chinese coordinates... and in this case, specifically with Qingliangshan Park also having an issue on Baidu. Thanks!--00:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Carole, I've commented there. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 04:40, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Cevirmek diyagram

File:Soma mine fire 2014 diagram EN.svg

Philg88 07:13, 16 Mayıs 2014 (UTC)

I could not change the SVG, but Turkish translations are as follows:

• Power unit explodes, May 13, 2014: Trafo patlaması, 13 Mayıs 2014
• Emergency oxygen supply: Acil durum oksijen kaynağı
• Trapped miners: Mahsur kalan madenciler
• Lift out of use due to power failure: Elektrik kesintisi sebebiyle çalışmayan asansörler

Thank you Philg88! --95.6.67.100 (talk) 08:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Soma mine fire 2014 diagram EN.svg

Hi Phil. Some people from the company (including the CEO and the president) is holding a press conference right now. They say that there was no explotion of power unit, but they also say that they don't "know" what caused the fire. Can you wait for official explanation?--Rapsar (talk) 08:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Addition: The company organized a press conference, stating the transformator was not the cause and was intact. They state that a coal fire broke out 140m below surface, and burned too fast for recovery. Source --95.6.67.100 (talk) 08:36, 16 May 2014 (UTC)