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File:Dorothy Stratten 1979.jpg

This image has her wearing an olive-era BSA uniform with the 1960 Jamboree badge. Should we categorize the image, or no?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Dont people object to categorizing FU images? --evrik ^(talk) 04:03, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Dunno, but it seems these days they object to even having images. :( --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:36, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• • I added it to this cat Category:Images of the Boy Scouts of America. --evrik ^(talk) 16:09, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Linking from articles like Scout Promise

Back in November, a well established editor removed the links in the organisation headings here. This lead to this discussion. I have only now got around to thinking more about it. As that discussion in part indicates, there seems to be five choices:-

1. Revert that edit and go back to using a link to the Association article in the heading, although this is against WP:MOS.
2. Add
   Main article: Scouts Australia
3. Add
   See also: Scouts Australia
4. Add something like "Members of Scouts Australia use the following promises:"
5. One of 1 - 3 above, but linking to Scouting and Guiding in Australia in or under the country heading, so there would be less links than linking to associations.

This would also apply to Scout Law where the links in the header have not been removed. It may apply to other articles as well. I think we do have to have some links that allow the reader to get to the article about the association that uses a particular Promise. What choice should we make? --Bduke (Discussion) 21:58, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

• I like option 2. --evrik ^(talk) 01:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Scouting Categories on Commons

I came across an issue looking at this image, on Girlguiding. On Commons, the file is in Commons:Category:Scouting in the United Kingdom, along with several others that are images of Guiding. That category is a sub-category of Commons:Category:Scouting by country, and all its sub-categories are "Scouting in X". Here on wikipedia, we long ago changed the names of our categories to be "Scouting and Guiding in X" for those countries where the female Scouting organisation is called Guiding. I strongly suggest that the same should be done on Commons, but it might need to be handled carefully. I think it is likely that the present naming discourages editors from adding images of Guiding to the appropriare category. Indeed I got to this by noticing that someone added to Girlguiding the template that shows "Wikimedia Commons has media related to Girl Guides United Kingdom", but that links to Commons:Category:Girl Guides United Kingdom, which now has 4 entries and is a sub-category of Commons:Category:Girl Guides and Girl Scouts, which in turn is a sub-category of Commons:Category:Scouting by section. That and Commons:Category:Scouting by country are in the parent category, Commons:Category:Scouting. All this appears to me to be most unsatisfactory as it gives little weight to those who call their associations "Guiding". I think the whole category structure on Commons needs a proper clean-up. Is anyone active, or indeed an admin on Commons, prepared to have a look at this? --Bduke (Discussion) 03:00, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

• Be bold. I don't think anyone but us really cares. --evrik ^(talk) 05:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for comments about merger

Please add your comments about the proposed merger of a short, defunct council article into the current council's article. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 02:57, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

• Closed --evrik ^(talk) 05:20, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Camp templates

If you have the inclination, the templates found at Category:Outdoor recreation templates have many redlinks and could use some fleshing out. --evrik ^(talk) 05:20, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comment regarding merger

There is a request to merge Old Rajans Scouts Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) into 1st Kandy Dharmaraja Scout Group (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) at the Proposed Merger Noticeboard. Discussion taking place >>>Here<<<. Input requested. Thank you, GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 21:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Not sure how a Group page is being held as notable in any case? DiverScout (talk) 21:48, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The argument is that the international events that they organise have attracted enough attention in newspapers. However, it is clear to me that this does not support "three" articles. The third is Lake View Park International Scout Centre. There is no consensus however since the view from editors in Sri Lanka outweighs the view from outside. The suggestion that both be merged into the camp article seems to make sense, but there will be no consensus for that either. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update

As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at tools:~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at toollabs:popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

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