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The Ukrainian Air Force conducts airstrikes on Donetsk International Airport while paratroopers drop in to fight pro-Russian separatists. (Irish Times)
Air Marshal Alex Barde, the Nigeria head of defense, tells protesters in Abuja that the military knows where the 300 girls kidnapped by Boko Haram are but are reluctant to rescue them due to the fear of having them killed. (AP)
At least seven people have been killed and twenty injured following a fire in a bus terminal north of Seoul in the South Korean city of Goyang. (Yonhap)
At least 26 people are dead and 10 missing since Wednesday as storms hit southern and central China. (ABC News Australia)
Voters in Colombia go to the polls for the first round in the presidential election. Opposition candidate Óscar Iván Zuluaga wins a plurality of votes and will face the incumbent Juan Manuel Santos in the second round. (Reuters)
Voters in Ukraine go to the polls for the first round of voting in the presidential election amidst ongoing violence in the east of the country with exit polls indicating that businessman Petro Poroshenko is headed for victory. (Sydney Morning Herald)(Washington Post)
Voters go to the polls to elect the members of the federal and regional parliaments, simultaneously with the European election. The country faces protracted negotiations on forming a federal government as Flemish nationalist N-VA wins in Flanders while the Socialist Party of Prime Minister Di Rupo remains the largest in Wallonia.(The Conversation)(AP via the Republic)
Jimmie Johnson wins the 2014 Coca-Cola 600, ending the longest winless stretch to begin a NASCAR Sprint Cup season he has ever had, while Kurt Busch's attempt to be the second driver ever to complete both the 600 and the Indianapolis 500 in the same day is ended by an engine failure. (ESPN)
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Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Article has everything except what it most needs - a textual summary of the race itself. It also uses poor style in some section (bullet point lists of facts instead of paragraph), which should be corrected before it is posted. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:53, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. You don't actually get a winning party in the Euro elections, because different parties contest seats in different member nations. Suggest an alternative blurb could be the success of far-right/populist parties, which is likely to be the big story of these elections. Formerip (talk) 22:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd concur with this: wait until the results and media coverage angles become clear, but go with a blurb about right-wing (e.g. Front national) success in the likely event that this is indeed what gets reported on. It Is Me Heret / c22:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would make for a pretty weak blurb, given that the EPP is not on the ballot and relatively few people have heard of it. It's not something that is going to make headlines in any European newspaper tomorrow. Formerip (talk) 00:53, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support EPP plurality blurb We should follow our usual practice with elections of simply stating who has won a plurality (or majority) of seats in the legislature, which looks to be the EPP. That is the real story here, since it puts the EPP's candidate Jean-Claude Juncker in pole position to become the next President of the European Commission. The far-right and populist parties have done well in some countries, but rather less so in others (e.g. Germany and Italy). We can't convey the complexity of the situation in a blurb. We should go for the objective story of who has won the most seats, rather than trying to come up with neutral and accurate way of reporting on the performance of far-right and populist parties. After all, as Juncker pointed out, pro-European parties still won a large majority in the Parliament. Neljack (talk) 02:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support EPP plurality blurb, per Neljack. We should trust our readers to be smart enough to follow the relevant wikilinks in case they don't know what EU or EPP is. "Centre-right" is simplistic and vague. --ELEKHHT07:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles updated One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Summary of the match is good, but completely unreferenced. Please add references to reliable sources to support the text. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs updating One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Altblurb proposed (this isn't a sports competition). Support this regardless, but the Poroshenko article requires some attention. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 22:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Damnatio memoriae is probably much more fit for this guy. But he's cetainly notable enough encyclopedically, so, yes, support. μηδείς (talk) 12:57 pm, Today (UTC−4)
Though he imposed martial law in a bid to dampen support for Solidarity, in the long run Jaruzelski may have spared Poland a "Prague Spring"-style Soviet invasion, and ultimately he facilitated, if reluctantly, Poland's epoch-making moves toward liberal democracy. --Sca (talk) 17:01, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Would also support a full blurb. Jaruzelski was the last surviving of communist East European dictators; he outlived Ceaușescu, Hoxha, Tito, Zhivkov, Kádár, Honecker and Husák. He was responsible for Poland's participation in the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, the massacre of shipyard workers in 1970, and the military crackdown on the Solidarity in 1981. — Kpalion(talk)17:24, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. While this story seems to be getting enough consensus to post, the article has an orange tag on top about citations. I spotted a few paragraphs with no sources at all, including the death section. Mohamed CJ(talk)18:07, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I added the tag, you cannot have the fact that he faced murder charges insourced and the like. Thanks, Matty.007
Support RD but there are referencing and neutrality issues, The article will need quite a bit of work before it can be posted. Neljack (talk) 01:40, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support full blurb Wojciech Jaruzelski was part of dark and disheartening period of history but he was, nonetheless, an important part of that history that should elevate him above basic RD listing. However, I agree with Neljack that there are significant article issues that need to be addressed. AgneCheese/Wine03:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Voters in the European Union go to the polls for a multi-day European Parliamentary election. Voters in Latvia, Malta, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic vote today. (Sofia Globe)
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Nominator's comments: MMA is not currently represented on ITN but I think it should be. Specifically, UFC events are watched by lots of people and are usually big events. Also, this fight ended up being an upset, which obviously is not expected among those watching the fight. Although some may say UFC fights happen fairly often, that is not exactly the case. The PPV events (the most popular fights/the ones that get the most attention) only happen about once a month. The events which garner media coverage and have decent articles are the ones I feel we should post to ITN. Andise1 (talk) 05:45, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Doesn't seem widely covered outside specialist media. Saying that viewers didn't expect an upset is tautology, and tells us nothing about the notability of the event. AlexTiefling (talk) 06:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to defend that, but as it turns out UFC 1 was only in 1993, so on average, these events take place about seven or eight times a year, right? The last one was a month ago, and the one before that just six weeks earlier? What makes this nearly monthly event noteworthy? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:57, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - They have these things every few weeks. It's not even particularly important sporting news, let alone real news. If one of these events is super notable for whatever reason I'd consider supporting it (or at least not opposing), but there needs to be much more of a story than "PPV event takes place as scheduled." --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — Barão's defeat is surprising for the MMA community, but I don't think his defeat garnered as much as attention as Silva's two-time loss against Weidman, for example. Honestly, UFC title fights have to be incredibly notable to make it to ITN. Like I mentioned in a past discussion, I think St. Pierre's return to the UFC and his next fight will probably make it. Not this one. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 04:25, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Support. This is, as the nom says, unknown in Belgium and occurs very close to the national, local and European elections in Belgium at a time when the rise of the popularist far-right is noted across the continent...Brigade Piron (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support but, although the wording "apparent anti-Semitic attack" is hardly unreasonable, I don't think we should use it in the blurb, since nothing is known about motive at the moment. Formerip (talk) 23:05, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that we shouldn't mention antisemitism given the lack of confirmation. Given the lack of such confirmation, I oppose at present. I would probably oppose in any case. Regrettably, it is not at all uncommon for people to be killed because of their race, religion or other characteristics. I don't think that the fact (if it be so) that this is anti-Semitic rather than anti-Muslim, anti-black or anti-Arab is of any relevance. Neljack (talk) 03:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's pretty uncommon in Western Europe, in the centre of a major capital. And don't pretend that the motives and contexts of murders aren't relevant to their newsworthiness. AlexTiefling (talk) 06:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed although the motives are unknown, pretty much everyone quoted in news reports is treating this as anti-semitic so it is not a characterisation original to Wikipedia. Even if it isn't anti-semitic, 3 people being killed in a gun attack at a major tourist site in the centre of Brussels is a newsworthy event in itself. Thryduulf (talk) 09:27, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
AlexTiefling, don't pretend that I said any such thing. All I said was that the fact that the target was Jews, rather than another minority group, was not relevant. Are you really saying that racially motivated murders of Jewish people are more important than racially motivated murders of black people or Arabs? Neljack (talk) 13:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying one is more or less important. I'm saying that they're different and not interchangeable, particularly in a part of Europe that was under Nazi occupation. The context of anti-Semitic attacks inevitably relates to that. That's what I mean by the context being relevant. I'm not trying to score any points here, but you do seem to be doing exactly what you claim not to be doing. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
AlexTiefling, how am I claiming "that the motives and contexts of murders aren't relevant to their newsworthiness"? Our disagreement is merely over whether one bit of the context - the ethnic group that has apparently been targeted - increases its notability. I am certainly not advancing any broader proposition on the irrelevance of motive or context - for instance, I think that, all else being equal, a racially motivated murder is more notable than a non-racially motivated one. I am of course aware of the historical context in Belgium, but I would suggest that Arabs and black people are these days more likely to be the victims of prejudice, discrimination and hate crimes there than Jews are, so I find it hard to see why an antisemitic attack today is of greater significance in terms of the issues it raises. Neljack (talk) 15:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
While the exact motive may not be confirmed, the attack has resulted in increased security at Jewish sites in Belgium (FWIW).--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:51, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well thank goodness for Wikipedia! And yes, I'm not surprised that this kind of story doesn't get much coverage in the Arabic media. But that's an entirely different story. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:42, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Support. In principle I support mentioning the 10th title but the snag is not all of them are Champions League titles precisely.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:11, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: It is not everyday billionaires are executed. Khosravi was once considered the richest person in Iran, but his wealth was largely built on fraud and his house of cards came tumbling down in 2011. The fraud amounted to US$2.6 billion, the largest case since Iran the monarchy was overthrown in 1979. A total of 39 people were convicted on fraud-related charges and Khosravi was given the death penalty, which has now been carried out. Since the case was never covered here before, now would be a great time to feature it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:02, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - High profile executions are not unusual in Iran, but in this case it is very serious. Per nom, it is not everyday that a country's once richest man is executed. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:00, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If one is rich it usually means they are successful at their business/industry, and a nation doesn't usually execute its successful citizens. Further I don't know many countries that have fraud as a death penalty offense. In the US, such offenses are usually murders of children, police officers on duty, or murders during other crimes(none of which the rich typically do). 331dot (talk)
It's certainly more unusual for a rich person to be executed - no doubt partly because they can afford the best lawyers etc - but I hardly think a poor person being executed is less serious. Also it seems that here the allegation was that he had become very wealthy and successful through criminal activity. Neljack (talk) 02:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, the nomination is based on the notability of the "largest fraud in Iranian history" story, not just the wealth of Khosravi. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:37, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely oppose blurb who's saying this, the un-audited theocratic dictatorship that accused him and will seize his assets? Neutral wording is deperately needed and the actual scope of his supposed crime, untried in a independent judiciary, has no way of be compared factually with anything. μηδείς (talk) 21:30, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is not up to use to judge the validity of the verdict, only the importance of it. Also, Khosravi admit to bribery to obtain fraudulent loans in court... If you think another wording would be better, please supply it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
ThaddeusB, but if (as I agree) "it is not up to use to judge the validity of the verdict" then surely that means we must take a position of neutrality on its validity? I take it that Medeis's point is that the blurb implies that he was guilty. And while he admitted bribery, he did not, as far as I can see, admit to "masterminding the largest fraud in Iran since the 1979 Revolution". We have to be careful here - BLP continues to apply. Neljack (talk) 02:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Would you prefer "executed for his involvement in ..."? --ThaddeusB (talk)
@ThaddeusB: Re It is not up to use to judge the validity of the verdict, only the importance of it - do you really think we should take a position of total meta-ethical moral relativism?
Don't you think our readers would expect us to support the idea that some things (e.g. murder) are bad, regardless of the laws in play at the specific place and time?
I don't think we can avoid making that kind of judgement - it's implicit in a lot of the stories we post (and certainly in our choice of those stories) that death and suffering of innocent people is a bad thing.
I have no idea whether the guy in this case would have been convicted by a non-Iranian court, but given the world's opinion of Iran (e.g. in many WP:RS), I don't think we should treat an Iranian conviction as proof that he actually did the things he's accused of.
Therefore the blurb should just say "is executed by an Iranian court" - we should treat the charges as unproven and therefore (on WP:WEIGHT grounds) we shouldn't list them.
He wasn't just executed at random. He was convicted and executed on specific charges. Someone being executed by Iran is not very notable. Being executed as part of the biggest fraud case in history is. If you want to drop the charges fine, but the case is what makes it notable. See altblurb2. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:09, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I'm very much mistaken, this isn't ITN/R, so I've removed the note saying that it is. ThaddeusB, if I'm missing something, do feel free to revert. Neljack (talk) 03:06, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer a bare, factual blurb. Something like MK is executed on the largest fraud charges brought by the revolutionary government since taking power in 1979--assuming we even need to mention the revolutionary government. As it stands, the blurb reads as an accomplishment of the the rev gov in cleaning up the country. μηδείς (talk) 04:47, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think the altblurb accomplishes that. If not, please be specific about what part is objectionable as I am not seeing it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:57, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and with that I'd consider it ready on blurb and notability, though I haven't looked at updating and sources. μηδείς (talk) 00:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Article has some problems e.g. "He and his brother were running a cattle when Khosravi began getting loans for the facilities during 2005-06." (I would correct this particular one but I'm not clear what it's meant to say). Balaenoptera musculus (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If there are any remaining errors, please let me know. It is very hard to catch ones own errors as one tends to read what they intended to write instead of what they actually did. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:51, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Marked ready for altblurb2 per Medeis' comment "with [altblurb2] I'd consider it ready on blurb and notability" which effectively makes this unopposed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:07, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Comment - article is in very good shape except that the team sections are unreferenced. I imagine that should be easy to fix. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you can click on the "report" link in the match details section and see all the players. If you like, I can add a few more links, but that's usually sufficient. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sub-optimal, but I added some links to the club's own fixtures pages which feature full match reports on every game played from the beginning to the final. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The CA attack, the Belgian attack, and Khosravi could potentially be posted. (I.E. may have consensus but need evaluated) --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Comment article obviously will need to be updated for tense etc since the festival concludes soon, and I imagine we could use more prose on the Palme d'Or itself, although I have sympathy in this case as there's probably not much more to say other than "it won the Palme". Otherwise bold article is in good condition, but I would have expected Winter Sleep to be the bold article as, after all, it's that which has won the prize.... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support but needs expanding. The festival article has virtually no prose after the lead, and most people will want to know about the film, for which the article is very short. Formerip (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - it might make more sense to link to the film than the festival - this is what people will be most interested in. Either target (or both) is fine, but there should definitely be a good description of Winter Sleep whatever the target article is. At current, neither article has that. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:49, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think both should be linked, but the film article requires some attention. I might assist with the work on it tomorrow, though I can't promise anything. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 00:18, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Concerns have been expressed about the lack of content in the article about the festival and the one about the film. I haven't looked a the latter, as the festival article s the one bolded in the proposed blurb, but the former still has no prose after the lead, which itself is not huge. I'd like to see something a bit more substantial before posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ready - I have added a textual summary of the awards, including a brief plot summary of Winter Sleep. When the film article is ready the blurb can be switched to have two bolds, but no reason not to post the Cannes article now. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If it happened in California there wouldn't have been any significant damage because buildings are better constructed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:17, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Massive number of people's lives severely affected. TRM, the argument that this story should not be used because the region and the people who live there are less important than other areas such as California or London isn't one which I find at all convincing. Perhaps I've misunderstood your comment. Balaenoptera musculus (talk) 18:10, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You seemed to be saying that if the story had happened in California then it would have been notable, but that because it actually happened in China, it wasn't notable.
That seemed to me more of a confirmation of Wikipedia's systemic bias than an argument capable of refuting RJFF's point.
Oppose. I am concerned that this number of 9,412 homes destroyed is complete horsehit. First off, with that many homes destroyed there should be huge loss of life. Second, how on Earth could they come up with such an estimate within a few hours of the quake? So this cannot be posted without independent confirmation by non-government sources. Abductive (reasoning) 22:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - It looks like the earthquake damaged 9000+ homes, which is a far cry from destroyed. Here is how PTI decsribed it "Residents rushed out of their homes when the quake happened. Tiles fell from some roofs and there was a power blackout in the epicenter, said Tao Jiqing, Party secretary of the county."[6]. There were a mere 13 injuries. Sounds like the kind of damage that would normally be expected form a small quake, of which there are several monthly. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:51, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Article is a GA. Rajab is often described as "one of the most well-known activists in the Arab world" BBC (sometimes "one of the world's most prominent activists"Reuters) and some compared him with Nelson Mandela[7][8]. We posted his sentence back in August 2012 [9]. Mohamed CJ(talk)19:51, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was expected and long awaited for, especially after he was denied early release back in December. Mohamed CJ(talk)
Support - It has been a long wait on his release, even though he it was expected. It was never clear whether or not they were actually going to release him given previous circumstances with other activists/individuals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.1.69 (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. After all Rajab was denied early release few months ago, despite meeting all the requirements according to Bahraini penal law (according to his lawyer). Such a repressive regime could have found any excuse to keep him jailed. Mohamed CJ(talk)14:32, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Egyptian security forces claim to have killed Shadi el-Menei, the leader of Ansar Bait al-Maqdis, and three other senior members in overnight fighting. (Sky News)
A Hubei court finds Chinese tycoon Liu Han, the former head of the conglomerate Hanlong Group, guilty of "organising and leading mafia-style crime and murder" and "obtain[ing] financial gains via illegal activities", sentencing him to death. (BBC News)
Oppose looks more like six deaths, but it's another (random) day in the US really. I'd be much more interested in the anti-Semitic shootings in Belgium that took place earlier today. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Both the Santa Barbara shootings and the Belgium shootings sound good. Even if gun violence happens frequently, we can't turn a blind eye to it... OmriSama (talk) 14:01, 24 May 2014 (PDT)
Support - Seven deaths confirmed; six victims plus the perpetrator. There are a number of circumstances - such as the perpetrator's overt misogyny and his privileged background - that make this story more than just another US gun tragedy. OmriSama, I know what you meant, but really, none of this 'sounds good'; it's appalling. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - mass shootings are not nearly as common in the US as is sometimes implied around here. Regardless, this one is receiving a ton of attention and the article is in excellent shape which is enough to earn my support in what otherwise might be a borderline case. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Tragic but of little wider significance. Given that in our patriarchal societies misogyny is an extremely common feature of violence, I'm not sure how that provides a basis for singling this out. It is hardly uncommon for it to be associated with privilege either. Neljack (talk) 05:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I'd be happier not seeing every killing of this type end up on the front page (for reasons similar to those stated in the opposes), but the excessive media coverage unfortunately makes them more notable. ToBk (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Come on, this happens all the time in the US of A. If you separate the blurb from the actual details of the story, is the blurb itself really that newsworthy? It really isn't. I agree that the Belgium shootings are far more notable. 98.180.53.48 (talk) 15:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Most definitely doesn't happen all the time barring a really loose definition of "all the time" --ALK (Talk) 23:29, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support If we have the Belgian shooting, we have to have this one as well. "Another random day in the US"? Uh, what? What kind of justification for an oppose is that? The Belgian shooting, currently on ITN, has a lower death toll (both are tragic events) and this topic is most certainly "in the news", regardless of whether or not the amount of media coverage is justified. --Samuel Peoples (talk) 23:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm an American and even I would agree with TRM that the anti-Semitic shooting in Belgium is more newsworthy and unique. The rampant gun culture of the US does, sadly, make these mass shootings all too common. Many organizations even keep a running tally. In 2013, there were 23 mass shootings in the US. It's heartbreaking to say this but this type of violence is becoming "run of the mill". Of course, every loss of life is tragic but whether or not an item gets posted to ITN has no bearing or significance on "how tragic" that loss was. Of the plethora of items that get global coverage in news sources, we do have to strive for diversity so do we really want to get in the habit of posting every major mass shooting the US? AgneCheese/Wine03:22, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I will also add that 2014 is an election year in the US and you can make a fair argument that quite a bit of the media coverage on this event has some political tinges to it as partisans in the media on both sides try to spin the story to their own benefit. I would caution against "bean counting" media stories as evidence of newsworthiness. AgneCheese/Wine03:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For what it is worth, most mass shootings involve either a single location, or victims who are well known to the shooter, or both. The type of spree killing where the murderer targets strangers at multiple locations is rarer, averaging only about 2 incidents per year in the US. Dragons flight (talk) 03:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Posted altblurb. There is consensus, albeit not overwhelmingly strong. Also taken into consideration was the strong quality of the nominated article. SpencerT♦C04:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Kinda like the eclipse I nominated a month ago shortly before it happened, in that this is also supposed to be a pretty big deal--although according to the article I linked to above, it "...is unclear what the shower will resemble." --Jinkinsontalk to me19:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. This is a predicted new meteor shower, which has never been observed before. The intensity of meteor showers is notoriously difficult to predict. It may or may not happen, so WP:CRYSTAL applies. If this turns out to be spectacular, then we can consider a nomination. Modest Geniustalk20:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support' for the exact reason MG opposes--this is a first show, hence likely to be a stronger one--our readers can make up their own minds as to whether to step outside and see this. μηδείς (talk) 20:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What evidence do you have that the first encounter with a meteor stream is 'likely to be a stronger one'? I think the various peer-reviewed astronomy journals would be very interested to hear about it. You're just speculating. Modest Geniustalk20:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all reliable sources have no idea what this is going to be like. We're not here to speculate nor provide an almanac for future viewings. If it becomes singularly notable, once it's actually occurred and once it's been reliably reported, we can reconsider. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose more that we have a lot of other significant stories going on right now; if we were in a slower news period, I'd be all for it even with this being only a predicted show as opposed to a known one. But to display the major items we have now with this is a bit iffy. --MASEM (t) 20:59, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, the Credit Suisse fine is morr important than a once-in-a-life-time event that we can report after it happens? μηδείς (talk) 22:17, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Very America-centric blurb. In Europe, it happened on the morning of the 24th, in New Zealand on the night of the 24th (and it wasn't visible from most of Asia). At any rate, the peak (which is happening as I write this) doesn't seem to be especially spectacular - certainly less than the the one-per-minute Perseids. Smurrayinchester08:11, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"The night of X" generally means from sunset on X to sunrise on X+1 so that would cover morning of the 24th... If we had posted this, it would have been in simple present tense, like all blurbs, without specifying a date. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose. It's unfortunate, but single-building fires happen every day, and it's not an internationally famous building. No casualties; no notable artworks reported destroyed. —Lowellian (reply) 07:15, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"It is a work of architectural heritage of world renown and its influence on 20th Century architecture is immeasurable. Scotland has seen the loss of an international treasure which reflects the genius of one of our greatest ever architects." (president of the Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland, as reported by BBC). Balaenoptera musculus (talk) 17:04, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"the international architecture community is in mourning for Mackintosh's masterpiece as tributes pour in for "immeasurably" influential building" (Architecture magazine De Zeen)
"The shock following the fire that has swept through it will be felt way beyond Glasgow, Scotland and the UK; this is a historic building of great international significance." (The Conversation)
Ultimately though, it's just one building by one architect. It's really sad, but I still can't see it being notable enough to knock other ITN items off the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In a slower news period, maybe, but there's far more tragic things going on in the world right now that ITN should be covering than an accidental fire with no loss of life. --MASEM (t) 18:57, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Change to oppose; we already posted this when the actual conviction took place; I was confused by the proposed blurb and the article. 331dot (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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oppose of we set precedence at 4 deaths then we have to post a whole bunch of Asian attacks (and more). Neither has the nom indicated notabilityLihaas (talk) 12:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Doesn't seem to be part of any larger story, which might have made it notable. Sadly, this sort of spree killing is a common sort of tragedy. Smurrayinchester13:18, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Doesn't seem to be terrorism or any sort of larger issue(as Smurray suggests); just someone who wanted to harm people. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Anglo-Dutch consumer goods company Unilever agrees to sell the brands Ragú and Bertolli to Japanese sauce producer Mizkan for $2.15 billion. (Bloomberg)
Nest Labs announces plans to recall 440,000 smoke alarms to fix a problem that could cause the alarms to not go off immediately after detecting smoke. (AP via ABC)
Negotiations between Iran and Russia regarding the building of two additional nuclear reactors at Iran's Bushehr power plant take place. (Reuters)
Law and crime
A massive law enforcement operation in New York City, United States, and the surrounding areas leads to 71 arrests for child pornography offenses. (Al Jazeera)
The Dominican senate unanimously approves a bill which will set up a system to grant citizenship to Dominican-born children of immigrants. (BBC News)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: My latest RD nomination aimed at increasing coverage of deaths from non-English speakign countries. Imre Gedővári was a three time Olympic fencer (presumably would have been four if not for the boycott of 1984 games), winning a gold medal in 1988 and 2 bronze in 1980. Three time world champion (1978, 1981, 1982) and three-time runner up (1975, 1981, 1983). He won the Hungarian national title 10 times. That seems to be pretty clear evidence he was at the top of his field to me. Our article is a micro-stub, which I will fix up later today. For now, see the Hungarian Wikipedia article, which is much better, to get an idea of his accomplishments. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unable to assess. The article is barely a stub, and the sources given are not in languages I can understand. Given the lack of an article, this nomination seems premature. Modest Geniustalk20:08, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Very good work. However, strikingly absent in wikilinks, e.g. "Order of the Star medal and the Kemény Ferenc award", if these are notable enough for the lead and are being used to confer additional notability, do they have articles? Also, some of the Games and Championships could be linked. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good question. The Order of the Star was discontinued in 1991 when Hungary went to the Order of Merit system, so it is not surprising we don't have an article on it. It is definitely a major honor though - based on a picture of it I found, I am pretty sure it is equivalent to the Golden Cross today (coloration is different but the design w/3 bars is very similar). I can't tell if the Ferenc Kemény award is significant or not, so I removed it from the lead. (I forgot to reverse to word order when changing "Kemény Ferenc-dij" into English; it is named after Ferenc Kemény whom it is a shame we don't have an article on.) It is given annual for teaching/scholarship and carries an award of "six times the base salary". --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Thaddeus has done great work on the article, was at top of field: competing at Olympics shows that. Thanks, Matty.00715:42, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Sorry, but this is a bit too much of a reach for me. Most of his medals weren't individual medals, but team medals, including the Olympic gold and one of the bronze. Was he notable? Of course. The best fencer in all of Hungary? Perhaps. But I don't think his accomplishments rise to the level usually required for ITN. A lot of athletes have won a lot of medals for a lot of countries. We can't post them all. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As the lead fencer, he played a large role in winning the team golds. There is no reason we can't post all well-accomplished Olympic gold medalists to RD. The number is not that great - a couple a month, and many such articles won't be in condition to post, further reducing the number that could be posted. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:02, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: It's well established that new species are good encyclopedic content. Of course we can only feature a few a year, but here is an interesting opportunity to feature 10 diverse creatures. The list gets good coverage (see examples above) from across teh world and as far as I know is the only such list that is widely noticed. I have extensively updated the article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. What is with the weird descriptions such as "Hanging Around in the Jurassic"? That doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia article. It seems to me that the article is leaning too heavily on the primary source material, and on quoting the guys in the Institute. Without secondary analysis of their picks I feel that the article really shouldn't be on the Front Page. But otherwise it is pretty interesting. Abductive (reasoning) 01:17, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good suggestions. The weird descriptions are actually from the institute, which is actually a second reason they shouldn't be used (unattributed creative content). They were there (for the 2013 list) before I got to the article, but I clean them up now. I will also add some analysis of the picks. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is an annual event, but it's not one that rises to the other annual events that regularly make ITN -- the average person on the street will have heard of the Nobel Prize, the Academy Awards, the NBA Finals, etc., but not of this. It is a list that depends on what one not-too-well-known organization considers important. I'm in favor of ITN entries for newly discovered species, but for the immediate announced discovery of a specific species that makes a big splash in the news, not for the annual list of one relatively small organization. The problem with this as an ITN item is that the news isn't the recent discovery of a species -- the news is the release of an organization's annual summarizing list. —Lowellian (reply) 07:20, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That is basically true, but really it's the creatures that are worth highlighting. We would never post soemthing like the clean room bateria or the snail found 3000 feet under the surface of Earth on their own, because there are far too many interesting discoveries each year. Here we have a list of ten such discoveries which really gives us a chance to feature the diversity fo life on ITN (as opposed to mostly new mammals and birds), and the list is very much in the news around the globe. I also dispute that we only post very recognizable annual events. I doubt the average "person on the street" can identify what the Fields Medal, Leone d’Oro, or IMPAC award is, but we post all those and many others well below Nobel Prize level of recognizability. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:58, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The April attack left 3 people dead. This new attack is at least 31, which is a huge escalation, and should be its own news item. Again, this is the deadliest attack so far. —Lowellian (reply) 17:55, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support we appear to have set a precedent, as long as the article is up to scratch (it currently is not and is simply a stub although not tagged as such), we'd look daft if we don't post this. Again, another possible shout for Ongoing. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Suppport this is simply more of the typical bomb, knife and arson violence we have come to expect from a country deprived of its God-given right to guns. Not opposed to ongoing, but will we describe it as Islamist or sectarian? μηδείς (talk) 19:16, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - article is pretty stubby at current (it has several sections but each section is about two lines long). It should be beefed up some more before posting. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you would be so kind as to flush it out more, I woudl appreciate it. Paragraphs of 2-3 short sentence just don't offer very much information. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
support high enough death tooll for China. theres also a major social conflict/issue in China and there reaction ondicates this. + there were the train stabbings a few fdasy ago.v Lihaas (talk) 13:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: More violence and de facto removal of state control seems pretty notable (as with Thailand) --Lihaas (talk) 13:05, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose One small town, that has been previously struggled over in '12, compared to issues with an entire country or province. --MASEM (t) 13:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - A major development. Note that the existing declaration of martial law is already nominated further down the page; my feeling is that this nomination represents a much bigger event. AlexTiefling (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Not a massive surprise given the martial law annoucement, but as Alex stated above this is a bigger event and should be included. Miyagawa (talk) 12:11, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support , outweighing the original declaration of martial law blurb below. This shouldn't be a matter of debate beyond making sure the article's there, and I think there's a fair # of good editors on it. --MASEM (t) 12:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - article still has the neutrality tag which needs addressed; a possible solution is a new article for the c'oup as it is almost certainly independently notable and the main article is aleady too long. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:39, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
eBay forces its users to change their passwords after a database containing encrypted user passwords and other non-financial data is compromised by a cyber-attack. (BBC News)
The death toll has risen to six as anti-China riots continue in Vietnam over oil rich islands in the South China Sea. China has sent ships to evacuate 3000 citizens from Vietnam. (Reuters)
Six Iranians that were arrested have been released in Tehran after releasing a fan video set to Pharrell Williams' "Happy", sparking outcries over the internet. (CNN)
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Oppose until new government is formed, or open warfare commences. This sort of thing (internal power politics) is becoming pretty routine in certain North African and Middle Eastern countries, and unless it leads to a significant change in the [i]status quo[/i], I don't think it passes the notability test. 128.214.172.232 (talk) 06:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the second part of the blurb and replaced it with the attack on parliament and its eventual suspension three days ago. There is already an armed confrontation between Haftar and the government/Islamists as the air force chief who announced his backing of the revolt bombed a number of targets in Benghazi on Haftar's behalf.[13][14] The government responded by setting a no-fly zone over Benghazi.[15]Fitzcarmalan (talk) 07:37, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and see what develops. Instability in Libya isn't really news; as the IP user suggests we should wait for a more significant development such as actual warfare or a peaceful end to this situation. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This development is significant. Haftar now controls Benghazi, the Parliament is suspended and more than 70 were killed in the events (at least according to BBC Arabic radio station). The article has room for improvement, including for the title (NPOV issue IMO). Mohamed CJ(talk)13:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
strong support its eerily similar to Thailand and that's posted. _ we posted 10 deaths in Nigeria...no difference with black or brown deaths. #hypocrisyLihaas (talk) 15:03, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree because the events are quickly developing and the parliament storming incident was a few days ago which means it is not in the news anymore. However, the article is still incomplete and important sections are missing, including the reactions to the crisis and the allegations of foreign involvement. I will try to update it while I can but any help would be very appreciated. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 07:48, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: After decades of not being able to come to terms, Russia and China have agreed to a $400 billion contract (between state-controlled gas companies) for Russia to supply China with natural gas. It is the largest contract in the history of the industry and is seen as a significant political move against the West. New York Times calls it a "deal of much consequence". --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:00, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'd probably describe this as Russia recognizing reality, rather than a defeat for the West, but it's a huge move of long term geopolitical consequence. μηδείς (talk) 01:54, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support There are multiple implications that the deal could have in the world apart of being the largest contract in the history of the industry. Additionally, the news has a worldwide coverage and could be a fine example of similar stories that should go on the main page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:49, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Three female children, ages 2 months to 3 years, are stabbed to death at a home in Torrance, California, U.S. The children's mother is arrested and charged with murder. (CNN)
Nominator's comments: I have been wrong many times before, but I think this is a business story people can actually get behind in my effort to increase our coverage of business news. By pleading guilty, Credit Suisse became the largest bank to admit to criminal behavior in more than 20 years. The massive fine ends a 5 year investigation into more than a decade of wrong doing. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Unlike many business news stories, this one is a single big event without any danger of being appealed, denied by regulators or otherwise made null. It is international, and involves Swiss banks, legendary in their disregard for the law and notorious for helping dictators and millionaires hide their money. The world is a changed place with Swiss banks reined in. Abductive (reasoning) 02:55, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure they'll be delighted with the exposure! Just need a helpful admin to make sure the image doesn't get replaced with a bunch of cocks, or something equally representative. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Exposure is not what I am trying to achieve. It's just a useful and available illustration. Better than an old mugshot of Abu Hamza. Maybe you're right, let's not use it at all, leave it without image for now. -- Ynot?20:27, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just messing with you. I couldn't care less what image goes up there, but as we're continually reminded, unless it's uploaded properly and protected, it could be replaced with a massive cock image or something equally unappealing. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe there is a general article that is regularly updated. That is not necessarily an issue though - if new incidents continue to get new articles, that link name can stay the same ("Boko Haram insurgency" perhaps) while the link itself changes. That said, an existing ongoing item shouldn't be seen a barrier to a full blurb - the ongoing will naturally be removed if/when a full blurb goes up. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — With "at least" 46 killed, [16] on top of earlier events, it would seem appropriate for ITN to take note in some fashion ASAP. (For a general title, suggest something like "2014 Nigerian strife.") Sca (talk) 20:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree if it weren't for the fact we would then have two Nigeria stories relating to the same insurgency on ITN. Solve that, and we have a real way forward. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be safe to combine the two. See AP.[17] And this version from AP [18] goes a bit farther, saying, "the twin car bombs ... bore the hallmarks of Boko Haram, the Islamic extremist group that abducted nearly 300 schoolgirls last month." Sca (talk) 21:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As an escalation in conflict, seems like ITN blurb material to me, so kill the Ongoing (though that might return if things calm down later). Sca (talk) 21:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Update — Guardian, in staff-written story from Lagos, [19] says "at least 118" killed, adding that "the bombs bore the hallmarks of other attacks by Islamist sect Boko Haram." Sca (talk) 21:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well if it's accurate, it's a definite blurb, dependent on article quality. Perhaps the community is fine with two Nigeria stories after all? We'll see. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Update Added alt-blurb. I've updated the article a little bit with some up-to-date information, but I've also added a citation needed to the link with Boko Harem as I can't find something to backup their leader's claim. I do Support this for posting however. CaptRik (talk) 22:02, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support full blurb - more than 100 dead means this a notable escalation of the situation in Nigeria. When promoted, I suggest removing the kidnapping story (its still in the news but is closely related to this story). Article is coming along but could use a little more work. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:32, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt. blurb — The 118 figure was also used by PBS Newshour in U.S. However, blurb should include Boko Harem as suspected perp. Sca (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this definitely has support for a blurb, but the article needs just a little more expansion, although it's several sections, only about five sentences (excluding lead repeats) relate to the actual bombing. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:33, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
support REPLACING this link with the Chibok kidnapping. Its practuically a full-fledged war since the kindnappings.Lihaas (talk) 13:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Then instead of complaining here, help expand the article on the bombing or improve the article on the insurgency. Noting problems is easy, providing solutions seems beyond many around here. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Valid criticism. Alas, surfing around 1600 UTC failed to find an up-to-date roundup incorporating Wednesday and Tuesday events. Coverage seems to be in bits. (I thought CaptRik was working on it — no?) Sca (talk) 16:25, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I had a look for an ongoing that could cover this and the Chibok kidnapping, but the closest article, Islamist insurgency in Nigeria, has nothing about the bombing. Besides, while I think there's little doubt that it's part of the same conflict, no-one has come forward and nothing has been proved yet (both Christian and Muslim groups are been active in Jos), which might cause people to cry NPOV if we link them so explicitly. Smurrayinchester17:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose right now. Low death toll, accidents like this happen all the time all over the world. If death toll significantly increases, will re-consider. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Should this be on ITN? I'm neutral, but am nominating it in case people might have overlooked it. He's the one who fought extradition from Britain for years. --Abductive (reasoning) 03:18, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - fought extradition for 8 years, UK government reluctant (or too scared) to prosecute. Definitely ITN-worthy. Mjroots (talk) 06:32, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The consensus here at ITN is to post upon convictions. As I saw the debate, the moment of conviction has two benefits: first, it is a single, closed event and finding of fact which allows people to be called "murderer", "rapist", etc without fear of being sued for libel. Second, the endless legal maneuverings post-conviction, including sentencing, reporting to prison, appeals of convictions, appeals of sentences, paroles, pardons and so forth, are just that; endless. Abductive (reasoning) 18:01, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Doesn't America have some sort of separation of powers? Has Hamza really been convicted by the United States government, or was it a jury sitting in a court like usually happens? Formerip (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. I used a phrase common to US English, which isn't understood literally, in an attempt to generalize New York -> United States (he was prosecuted under NY law, but US law). I should have known better, as I can clearly see how it could be read differently by different readers. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Was in the middle of noming there. Article has some cleanup tags but more related to too much information and not from lack of sourcing. --MASEM (t) 23:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support but article needs properly fixing up and this appears to be a good candidate for Ongoing news (the clue's in the target article title....) The Rambling Man (talk) 06:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the neutrality tag needs addressed before it is posted. The too long article/lead tags are less of a concern, but, of course, it would be nice if someone made an attempt at addressing those too. --ThaddeusB (talk)
Comment: Coup has just been announced. The Army Commander said that the military is taking control of the country. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:13, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Three-time Formula 1 world champion. "He remains the only man in history to have designed, built and driven a championship-winning car." (BBC). --Thryduulf (talk) 02:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Certainly among the top 20 most significant people in the history of F1 if not the top 10. Two more championships as constructor on top of his driver's championships. 3142 (talk) 04:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - A great in his field, but that's what DC2 is for. I'm not seeing the death itself as the story here, so RD is appropriate. GoldenRing (talk) 08:43, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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