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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:VSNL_International_Canada VSNL's article seems to describe it as a Tier1 ISP. Either that article or this needs fixing.

The article title should be "Tier 1 ISPs". A tier one carrier, meaning a telecom carrier of voice services is something different and is definable via FCC rules. (Unknown Commenter)

"This is what happened between Cogent and Level 3 recently." --This needs to be replaced with the date of the occurance and a brief explanation. I know Wikipedia tries to be timely but "recently" ages fast. I am leaving this comment as I am not the one qualified to write about this. Ray Trygstad 14:27, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

this appears to have been fixed. Good call. Jasongetsdown 17:23, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Should be locked and/or have an accuracy dispute disclaimer: In light of the persistent vandalism (some of it traceable to Cogent, and I don't use the term vandalism lightly), shouldn't this article be appropriately marked with a disclaimer that its accuracy is in dispute and locked so that non-registered users can't edit? Same comment has already been made in talk for Cogent Communications —Ke4djt @ 1358, 04 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merge from List of tier 1 internet service providers

The companion article is just a short list, and really has no meaning outside the context of the main article, and isn't referenced outside the main article. -- Randal L. Schwartz 16:56, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

just because you put an article on wikipedia doesn't mean the information is true. If you ask 100 people what a Tier 1 ISP is you'll get 10+ different answers...there is no common definition. Just because you don't own the fiber in the ground doesn't mean you don't privately peer with the other larger ISPs.

Merging List of tier 1 internet service providers

I'm merging the contents of List of tier 1 internet service providers. This should be a quick merge.

However, that article is in the odd situation of having a talk page MUCH longer than the article itself! I don't know if we're supposed to merge the talk pages too. For now, here's a link to the talk page as it stands now... talk page snapshot Jamie 01:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merge complete. The page still needs to be cleaned up and wikified. Jamie 01:41, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hah?

It reads "Tier 1's gain a significant portion of their IP Transit revenue from traffic which stays "on-net", by being delivered between two customers without ever leaving its network." Since they work only on peering isn't "free" delivery the _only_ thing tier 1 carriers know? --161.76.99.106 00:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of tier 1's updated

List of tier 1 isp's were updated, to include several that people always leave out as well as fix the status of Cogent Communications. Which is _NOT_ a tier 1 isp. Soms

Since folks wanted to explicitly exclude one ASn from one of thee entrants, fleshed out several of the other ASNs from the named entities which 'don't count". jzp

NPOV Tag

The tag was added by MureninC, who (from text not shown correctly in the tag) says:

"This list looks really strange, it only has one non-american company, and major players like Telia are not here at all; information must be extended, and if Telia etc. do not qualify, then they must be put into Tier 2 article with explanations"

I don't know enough about the subject to comment either way, so comments are appreciated. It would probably help to have verified sources for this information (cf. WP:NOR) --H2g2bob 16:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to globalise tag, as that seems more in-keeping with the problem --H2g2bob 17:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved text by 81.234.199.232 from page to here (info appears to be correct, so adding): --H2g2bob 23:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about TeliaSoneraIC AS1299? (not AS 5518, 3308 or 3301) --81.234.199.232

For the record, 70.224.205.218 removed this again, as "Telia is not a Tier1 (see def: settlement free and no transit)" --H2g2bob 16:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would someone like to tell me why TIER1-carrier Telia IC 1299 is being removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.199.232 (talk • contribs)

Re-added TeliaSoneraIC with disputed tag. The crux of this confusion, I think, may stem from the definition of Tier 1 carrier. TeliaSoneraIC claims on it's website that it's a "Tier 1 carrier" [1], but it may be unclear what definition of "Tier 1" they are using. Tier 1 on this page is stated as being an ISP which doesn't pay for peering with any other ISPs. I don't know any way of verifying whether the ISP is Tier 1 in this context or not, perhaps someone can suggest something. --H2g2bob 19:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS, Don't forget you can sign posts like this: ~~~~

I havent got any ideas of TSIC peering agreements, but they have directpeering to all other TIER1-carriers in market, and they are a very significant provider in Europe. When AGIS was bought several years ago, they "received" TIER-1 status in the US(which I guess they already had in Europe). ~~81.234.199.232

why has TSIC's been removed again(excuse my language now) what the f*ck? If someone's gonna keep removing it, It would be pretty good if that person had some arguments stating that TSIC is not TIER1, if not stop removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.199.232 (talk • contribs)

Reverted edit so it's back on the page. It has a disputed tag, so it's bad wikiquette to remove it without explanation on the talk page. --H2g2bob 11:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TSIC removed again.... I'm still trying to find an explanation. Couldnt anyone lock the edit-function so its not possible to just remove without a valid explanation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.199.232 (talk • contribs)

Why? Simple. Telia purchases transit from 701 and 7018 (and others?) and is therefore not a tier 1 provider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.227.33 (talk • contribs)

Still just plain comments without any resources given at all. And I can tell you one thing for sure - that is tsic does NOT purchase transit from 7018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.199.232 (talk • contribs)

No, TSIC purchases transit from AT&T and UUNET. This is easily verifiable w/ BGP communities and looking at PTR records for the kind of devices they connect to.