Talk:Clark Aldrich

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This article was proposed for deletion. I have removed it given that a Google News Archive search comes up with a number of articles which indicate notability. [1]

I really like Wikipedia and think that it is growing in value month-by-month, year-by-year, but I really don't understand decisions like this - I mean, surely someone who is a published author deserves an entry here. Why can't that be taken as a ruling? (by bcgstanley) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcgstanley (talk • contribs) 12:23, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Quotes

I removed them for 2 reasons. 1. Wikiquote is for quotes and 2. WP:BLP requires that "All quotations...must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source, which is usually done with an inline citation." Sean.hoyland - talk 17:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Source

Conduit, the magazine of the Department of Computer Science at Brown University, have an article about him. He studied there. They refer to him as Clark Wezniak Aldrich (see pp 6-8). If that is his full name it can and should be included in the first sentence per WP:FULLNAME. The article a good source that could be used for this article, which seems to be lacking sourcing required by WP:BLP at the moment. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually, his birth name was Clark Wezniak; I have no idea where the "Aldrich" came from. The Bangor Daily News of 27 July 1989 refers to him as "Clark Wezniak, a counselor for the Chewonki Foundation Camp in Wiscasset..." (Bangor Daily News) Clark also references Camp Chewonki on his business website ( http://www.clarkaldrichdesigns.com/2011/11/chewonki-illuminati.html ), so it's clearly the same person. "Wezniak" is the surname that shows up on Clark's public marriage record from 1991, accessible through Connecticut's state vital records database. Clark's father is Frank Wezniak and his mother's maiden name is "Tull". The webzine CEORoundtableBlog.com has an article about Frank here: http://ceoroundtableblog.com/2011/12/frank-wezniak-photovac-member-in-the-news/ Père Wezniak is likewise an alumnus of Brown (Class of '54) -- the same alma mater as Clark; one can see photos of him in this Brown Alumni webzine: http://alumni.brown.edu/classes/1954/events.html . Clark seems to have assumed "Aldrich" at about the same time that he married Lisa Eastwood, who runs the website "The Daily Prep" under the nom de plume "Muffy Aldrich". And BTW: this information is all sourced from public records. Any living person with a wiki that essentially promotes them and their work as being notable (and, for that matter, anyone who runs a lifestyle website about her own life) cannot expect to be able to conceal their real names from the public. It's no secret that Ralph Lauren was really born "Ralph Lifshitz", so Clark Aldrich's birth name being "Clark Wezniak" can't be concealed as classified information. Long story short: his birth name should indeed be part of the article. I would also argue that his wife, as a public figure whose website is largely engaged in self-promotion, should be mentioned; she's probably more widely recognized than he. Occam's Shaver (talk) 09:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

It's worth mentioning that the 1989 Brown graduation commencement book lists his name as "Clark Bennett Wezniak" ( http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/purl/purlResolver?id=/lilly/meier/printable/VAB8339-16336 ). By 2006, the Brown Alumni magazine "Conduit" is lists him as "Clark Wezniak Aldrich" ( http://cs.brown.edu/about/conduit/conduit_v15n1.pdf ), and he now goes by "Clark Bennett Aldrich". Curious evolution. Occam's Shaver (talk) 22:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

According to documentation here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27077549/Clark%20Aldrich.pdf), Clark Aldrich's birth surname was indeed Aldrich. Further, according to the same genealogy report, he is the 11th great grandson of both Governors John Winthrop and Thomas Dudley. This is consistent with his bio here: http://unschooling-rules.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html#bio At this point, insistence by the troll community at Get Off My Internets of the birth name Wezniak is best characterized as libelous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intrepid French Learner (talk • contribs) 17:38, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

See WP:BLP for what qualifies as a reliable source for living people here (and you should probably read WP:NLT). Sean.hoyland - talk 17:43, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Clark Aldrich was born, no surprise, Aldrich. See genealogy report here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27077549/Clark%20Aldrich.pdf

According to the same report, Clark Aldrich is the ninth great-grandson of Governors John Winthrop and Thomas Dudley, first and second Governors of the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

The statement that Clark Aldrich was born Clark Wezniak is not true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intrepid French Learner (talk • contribs) 19:06, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Was Conduit, the magazine of the Department of Computer Science at Brown University linked at the top of this section, wrong when they referred to him Clark Wezniak Aldrich ? If so, are you aware of an explanation for the error, an explanation based on published reliable sources ? Sean.hoyland - talk 19:18, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

The name Clark Wezniak Aldrich does not exist outside of Conduit magazine. It is reasonable to assume it is not accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intrepid French Learner (talk • contribs) 19:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors don't really have the latitude to make assumptions. They need to follow the reliable published sources. If there are multiple versions and inconsistencies, as is often the case for a great deal of information covered by Wikipedia, they usually reflect the variety unless there is a compelling evidence based reason not to do so. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

The above statement "Clark Aldrich's birth name being "Clark Wezniak" is wrong and, in the above context, libelous. The statement "Actually, his birth name was Clark Wezniak" is again, wrong and libelous in the above context. The statement "I have no idea where the "Aldrich" came from." has been answered numerous times, including here. It is his family name. In this situation, there is even a genealogical document stating that his father is Aldrich. Numerous similar assumptions written as fact - in the context of the comment - are wrong and again libelous. There have been two stalkers spreading similar lies in various online chatrooms, and for the most part, they have been kicked off by the moderators that have policies against personal vendettas, libel, cyber harassment, and stalking. Intrepid French Learner (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

You need to stop using the word libelous per WP:NLT. I'm aware that there is a back story to this (that I don't understand) but the way to resolve this here is by following Wikipedia policy. The genealogical document is not going to be useful as a source because it doesn't meet the requirements of WP:BLPSOURCES. Can you comment on the The Bangor Daily News source of 27 July 1989 that refers to "Clark Wezniak, a counselor for the Chewonki Foundation Camp in Wiscasset". Do you know whether that is the same person as Clark Aldrich or a different person, and if so can you explain how you know ? Sean.hoyland - talk 03:43, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Also you say The statement "I have no idea where the "Aldrich" came from." has been answered numerous times, including here. It is his family name. How do you know what his family name is and where is the evidence to support the statement. The genealogical document is not evidence. It has no value here in terms of content decisions so please do not refer to it again. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:44, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Again, "Clark Aldrich's birth name being "Clark Wezniak" is wrong and, in the above context, libelous. It is textbook libel. Beyond that, if Wikipedia as a system is broken, so be it. ----