Talk:John Cena

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Requesting Lock on Article

I would like to request a lock on this article due to the increasing vandalism leading up to WrestleMania 22.
Can a lock be put up, and then can it be removed after this Sunday? 69.181.81.102 03:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Eh, just a lock on unregistered users would be fine. In fact, many wrestler articles need a perma anon lock due to constant vandalism and the constant adding of play-by-play information that is not encyclopedic. --Naha|^(talk) 04:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and got this done because I'm tired of the nonsense that keeps getting added. At least nonsense will require a wikipedia account now /shrug --Naha|^(talk) 09:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Six Moves of Doom: incorrect?

I think Cena's Six Moves of Doom should be like this:

1. Multiple clotheslines or diving shoulder block 2. Sit-out hip toss 3. Spin-out powerbomb 4. Five Knuckle Shuffle 5. F-U 6. STF-U

i want to be diva how do u do it i am 16 and moving to amrica when i am 18 and be a oneof the sexy diva and marrie john cena

Why does Cena alone amongst wrestlers, get his moveset named? The vast majority of Pro Wrestlers have a list moves they do like that. Does anyone think this is really necessary, and if so, why? BoosterBronze 16:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)BoosterBronze

Wikipedia didn't decide to arbitrarily name his move list - his fans did. They are referred to as this on several websites. --Naha|^(talk) 20:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

deleat that death section on this article

Concering Cena's "Six Moves of Death"....

It's not a damned fact! People have said !@#$ like this about other wrestlers, but it's the fans who have said it, therefore it is NOT OFFICIAL! In fact, if you're going to add the "Six Moves of Death" to Cena, then you might as well add the "Three Moves of Death" to Triple H:1)High Knee, 2)Facebuster knee smack, & 3)The Pedigree. If you aren't going to add that to Triple H, then remove the same thing from Cena.

DarknessProductionsInc 03:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

You just stated the reason why and don't seem to even realise it: No fans have, as far as I am aware, coined a term for Triple H's moves but they have for Cena's. If there was a widely known name for Triple H's moves it would be in his article. Just because the nickname for Cena's move list was generated by his fans doesn't mean it shouldn't mentioned in the article. Professional Wrestling is about the fans, when a term becomes widely used, its accepted regardless of its origin. It would be one thing if a random wikipedia editor decided to call Cena's moves by a certain name, but its not just one person - its many many fans calling it this and that is what makes it notable; we're going to list the moves anyway, so why not throw in the term they are known by while we're at it. Basically, this is not the type of information that has to be offical insofar as having to come from the promotion. --Naha|^(talk) 17:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Then, why isn't the same type of moveset on Bret Hart's bio? Hmmmm?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by DarknessProductionsInc (talk • contribs)

Because nobody's bothered to write it. --Antrophica 03:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah what Antrophica said. *sigh* I suppose I should have said "If there was a widely known name for Triple H's moves you would be welcomed to add it to his article." But then again everyone around here is so damn literal. Can't take the spirit of a comment, must pick it apart. I even catch myself doing this now... --Naha|^(talk) 05:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, in Triple H's defense, his moves don't come in a predictable sequence. --Antrophica 07:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Another excellent point. --Naha|^(talk) 13:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah exactly. Prior to Backlash we actually saw Cena get caught by Triple H in the middle of the 5/6 moves of doom cause his moves come in a predictable sequence. Night Bringer 11:45 am (GMT +10) May 9th 2006

It is called five moves of doom not six

Any fan worth their salt knows the term as Five moves of doom. Calling it Six moves of doom is just a Cena fan boy/girl who wants to make him look better. This is not about making him look bad or good it is just a simple fact that the referance has been Five moves of doom since the beging. I have tried to edit it but it just keeps getting put back. You shoulnd't edit the page of a wresler unless you know somthing about wrestling. Please fix this. --Stupify 07:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

"Six" is starting to catch on due to the incorporation of the new finisher, the STF-U, and there's no reason not to include it. --Antrophica 08:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Six is not he phrase. Plus he very rarley uses the protobomb. It should be changed to five even if does more moves because it is the Five moves of doom. That or just remove it. I feel that if somthing is inacurate it should be fixed or removed all togather. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

He uses the Protobomb in most of his matches, which means it's not a very rare or even a rare occurrence. As for the "# Moves of Doom", I won't bother to repeat myself. --Antrophica 19:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Yea I wouldn't want to repeat my self if I was wrong either. It is very clear you know nothing about wrestling you changed the phrase for Cena to make him look better. Fan boy/Girls piss me off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

First of all, Antrophica trying to make him look better? I'm sure that is the farthest thing from her his mind: Ant is one of the editors who insisted in putting back the fan backlash section - so I seriously doubt any intentions on her his part were in defense of this wrestler. I fail to see any bias regarding this issue.

Ant is also a fine editor, which brings me to my second point: Please refrain from personal attacks. Debate opinions and points, not the people who make them. There is no reason to get angry or call people names, especially people who don't deserve it.

Third, I've seen both "Five" and "Six" used in several places - "Six" is, as she says, starting to catch on. However, I'm not sure its the most popular phrase yet. I just did an Advanced Google search and came up with the following results:

• "Fix moves of doom" - 507 hits
• "5 moves of doom" - 599 hits
• "Six moves of doom" - 47 hits
• "6 moves of doom" - 32 hits.

While I am inclined to agree that his moveset currently consists of 6 moves, this search seems to indicate that "6" has not taken over yet. Five or Six, its not really that important, the body of the articles is. --Naha|^(talk) 20:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I've been thinking, we could put it back at Five until Six really catches on, that would also mean a long drawn-out explanation about how the STF-U comes in.

Slight digression: I've always prided myself in understanding women, but I'm fairly sure I'm a, if slightly effeminate, male. --Antrophica 06:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I took a stab at it. With nothing to go on (your blank user page), and your username ending in "a" I thought "she" was a slighty educated guess. I actually wrote that whole post using "they and their" in place of "she and her" at first, but in hindsight though it looked stupid so I changed all the pronouns before hitting "Save page". Win some, lose some! At any rate, my apologies, good sir! --Naha|^(talk) 15:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I've had people make the same mistake in real life. Maybe it has something to do with me being a beautiful, beautiful man. Better stop right here.

Oh, and he/she > they. --Antrophica 17:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

:) --Naha|^(talk) 21:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Seeing Cena has hardly ever just all six of these moves to win his matches I've changed to back five. Though personally I don't see the use in the section.

Fan Backlash

If you are going to discuss the fan backlash it should be added that their are fans who don't like him because they think he is not a skilled wrestler. I don't care about his charecter or how he is in the media all I care about is the fact that he is limited in the ring but that is left out of this biased bio. --Stupify 07:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Cena was known as a competent wrestler with substantial charisma before he sunk so deeply into his current gimmick. Fans who've kept up with him aren't angry because he's an incompetent wrestler but because he's placed these limits on himself and changed his wrestling style quite drastically. --Antrophica 08:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Correction on your statment I watched Cena in OVW and on smackdown and considered him incompatent through out all of that so yes they do consider him a bad wrestler go to any wrestling community in the world and 95 percent of the people who don't like him will tell you that is why they don't. I didn't like him as prototype and I don't like him as Cena I think he is one of the worst wrestlers in the last 10 years.

Neither of you can speak for everyone who dislikes him, no one can. Its absurd to think otherwise. Although, Antrophica's statements seem to be closer to the opinions I typically hear. --Naha|^(talk) 18:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Naha I agree! He cannot wrestle, he is only the WWE Champion becuase he is marketable, there are guys in the WWE that will rip him apart when it comes to wrestling ability. He has held the belt for way too long and I think that it is about time that someone else competent holds the belt, while he goes to OVW and get some training! The reason he is having fan backlash is becuase his reign has become boring and fans are started to see that Cena cannot wrestle. Anyone who thinks he can knows absoltuely nothing about Professional Wrestling. (Fr3nZi3 18:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

I've said my piece about Cena, which I believe to adhere to the consensus, especially IWC columnists. Let's not let this degenerate into a debate about personal beliefs. --Antrophica 18:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This isn't a debate about personal beliefs it should just be added that some of the fans think he is a poor wrestler it is a fact that there are fans who think this so it should be added. I know it wont given the obvious bias to Cena by what ever fan Boy / Girl wrote this

Maybe something needs to be added with the theories as to why he's no longer as popular such as the simple: been champion too long, to the ridiculous: he's too "beautiful" as reported on lordsofpain.net

Do you even know about Cena?Everybody likes him,he's the WWE Champion,he looks cool,and he is a professional skilled wrestler.Noone like people who hates Cena.Noone can rip apart Cena you idiots who hate Cena.

.P.S.Noone like you Fr3nZi3.

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The size of the Fan Backlash section has grown to beyond what I would consider an acceptable percentage of the entire article. Its just out of proportion. It needs to be a general overview of the situation, not "on this date in this city they liked him" and a few days later "in this city they didn't like him" kind of thing. Its a bit rediculous. I will leave it to someone else to size down, as my edits in this area tend to be reverted repeatedly. --Naha|^(talk) 04:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I was planning on taking care of it, but it'll have to wait a few weeks before I do anything more to the John Cena article other than revert vandalism. I burned myself out rewriting the Elisha Cuthbert and Christian Bale articles, so you'll have to handle it this time round. --Antrophica 08:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I've cut it back some. Feel free to redo parts, as you are a much better writer than me. --Naha|^(talk) 02:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Now you're being too kind. --Antrophica 03:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Seems like someone took it off but I think it should stay off since just about every wrestler gets backlashed.

Yes almost every wrestler gets backlashed, but this is something that could ruin Cena's career if it keeps up. He is dangerously close to getting X-Pac Heat or worse, Dead Heat. I say keep the section. This is something close to what happened in the early career of The Rock. He started out as Rocky Miavia, and couldnt connect to the fans. John needs to go back to the cocky freestyling rapper that gained him success or get a new gimmick like the Rock did. User:Killswitch Engage

If Fan Backlash has to stay atleast summirize it so not 3 paragraphs atleast. BionicWilliam 01:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Why are edits that suggest some fans dislike someone like Cena, who they see as having poor workrate, going on such a long reign and beating everyone deleted, but other suggestions aren't? The section just smacks of Cena fans admitting there's a backlash, but blaming it on everyone except Cena himself.

I personally believe that a reason why Cena has so many haters out there is due to the fact that he changed shows. My reason is that the most dominated Title (World Title) was on the most Dominated Brand (Raw) but then after Cena and Batista switched shows both of the wrestlers couldn't really have great fued because not many of them mixed with the characters on the brand. In Cena case he went down hill and only really had fueds with Jericho and Kurt Angle and became boring because he wasn't given fueds at the time like Edge or HHH. I also agree that it is his nice guy gimmick. I think that more people would like him if he would rap and get in everybodies face like he did when he was US Champ.

Why is it that I add to the fan backlash section about part of the reason being his perception as a wigger and its deleted? Do we have a groupie here?

Part of wrestling is about an ability to perform the athletic apart. Cena is clumsy he looks like he is going to fall everytime he throws a punch, even his entrance looks clumsy. I suspect he is just awkward. Sorry, but he is NOT a very good wrestler. Part of the entire experience is suspension of belief - I never belived for one second "character" john Cena could beat "character" Chris Jericho.

Nor do I believe he could beat Van Dam, Triple H. I do think Edge sucks just as much as he does. Simply put as a person who has been a fan for awhile, I think he incompetent.

I also think the WWE is missing part of the reason why, many wrestlers with MUSIC oriented gimmicks fail. The Honky Tonk man was originally a fan favorite and got the same reaction. Why because fans knew he was a fraud. Music fans are passionate. When they tried to push the Rappers against the West Texas Rednecks ... fans cheered the REDNECKS and booed the rappers. The fan base is not the same.

Do you know anything about Cena?He defeated Triple H in WrestleMania 22 with the skilled STFU.And also,rap is the best.Everybody likes John Cena,and he's my favourite wrestler.

LOL he is a joke and his lame rap lyrics reveal him. He is just another guy who went to wrestling school. He has little natural athletic ability and does not looke fluid. The shameful part is Vince's ego won't let him walk away from this failed experiement. Trust me in 10 years the WWE will regret CENA much like they regret the Warrior. He is a FAILED champion.

I am changing the name of 'Fan Reaction' back to 'Fan Backlash' as the whole purpose of that section is to suggest that Cena, as a face, was not supposed to garner such ambivalence from the audience. Otherwise, there would be 'Fan Reactions' on other wrestlers' biographies. Also the 'Fan Backlash' section needs to be reasons for the dissent with examples not a progression of the descent which is already present in his career section.--Jack of Blades 17:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The Deal with John Cena's Myspace

His Myspace page was removed because reports say that it was either hacked and removed or just plain removed by the people who were running it. A kid immediately took up the name so that it would not be a page for IWC members to turn it into a bash-fest against Cena. The page on Myspace now is ran by the kid, not WWE.
The kid said that he'll hand over the page to WWE if and when they want it back. Blacklist 22:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

http://www.myspace.com/johncenasspace It was originally run by the WWE though?(Halbared 09:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

it is back to being run by him/wwe now. wwe did run the things like adding friends, but john posted all blogs. (he said that on 5 questions)Katie 13:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

New protection

Maybe it's time to protect the article again. Vandalism goes on numerous times a day, and it's only getting worse. --Antrophica 20:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Please see the conversation on the top of this talk page and feel free to chime in there; I would like to keep Freak and Splash informed if possible. Maybe with your support and comments they will reconsider. --Naha|^(talk) 21:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. The IWC/"Haters" will only continue to vandalize the page until Cena loses the title. --Blacklist 00:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

...Well it sure beats the "Apologists"/Cena supporters from keeping some things in the dark and denying it's not JUST IWC haters that despise Cena anymore Dr. R.K.Z.

Bad edits, vandalism, and constant nonsense added to this and other wrestling articles are not the fault of any one particular type of fan, rather they are widespread. --Naha|^(talk) 05:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I finally found an admin who belongs to WikiProject Professional wrestling - Lbmixpro. I left a message on his talk page to check out this conversation. Thanks, --Naha|^(talk) 01:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Due to lack of response to my comments on this admin's user page, I commented again on the situation. If they continue to not respond, I guess I'll try to find someone else. --Naha|^(talk) 12:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Err, I just found out they are kind of on wiki-break. Oops. I've now posted on the Admin Notice Board for an admin familiar with Pro Wrestling or at least WWE to contact me. --Naha|^(talk) 01:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, i agr with Naha. There's a lot of vandalism with this article. I may not be a fan of Cena, but at least i respect him. Someone should lock up this thing now.--DBK1 22:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

About darn time, wouldn't you say? --Antrophica 01:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Conspiracy Theory

Has anyone else noticed that John Cena seems to be getting more and more buffed, while his opponents like Edge and HHH when they face him look less buff than usual. HHH looked like he put on weight when he fought Cena and when Edge has fought Cena he looks like he's lost weight. Is this to make Cena look better by comparison?

All I am asking for

I am not asking that you say Cena is the worst wrestler ever and state it as a fact I am simply requesting that you don't make it a one sided page. Just let it be known that there are fans who think he is a very poor wrestler I can link you to sites where it is freaquantly talked about. There are hundreds of people who don't like Cena for his ring work they deserve to at least be acknoledged. I have never once vandilaized his page I have been nice and simply showed another side you could at least show consideration in that matter.

Just asking for a line like "Some fans believe that John Cena has a poor work rate" or is not a skilled wrestler. All you have to do is add some fans in front of it and it is simply showing that there is another side. It seems very biased to simply say that he is only disliked because people are tired of him. That is an insult to all the fans who watch wrestler because they like to watch a match and not for the entertainment.--66.75.215.145 18:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

But all your points have already been covered. If you're requesting emphasis on it, then it can't be done. That would be biased. --Antrophica 21:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

In reality it would be getting rid of the current bias. In the fan backlash you make a point of avoiding the fact that fans think he is untalented. There are litterally hundreds of fans that feel this way and it isn't acknoledged at all. You simply blame it on the fact that he has been champ for along time I have mentioned what you article says and how you ignore two things one that Cena is viewed as untalented and the other is the fact that you refuse to refer to it as five moves of doom even though it is the popular term. Six moves of doom is somthing one person thought of to improve their wrestlers standing and a few people with little knoledge of the industry saw this and thought that was the term. That is the only reason it is catching on. The wrestling section on this sight has become a joke in fact every one I have mentioned this to is now laughing at this site.

For supposedly being an unbiased site you sure arn't showing it well.--66.75.215.145 09:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you and your friends dislike Cena too passionately. --Antrophica 10:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I hear the boos directed towards Cena on RAW so yes I know there is a fan backlash. What I CAN'T hear is WHY they are booing him, therefore a statement saying the backlash is because fans think he is untalented is speculation that can't be confirmed so it shouldn't be added to this page. Night Bringer 11:54, May 3rd (GTM +10)

There are plenty of reliable sources for the fact that John Cena is being poorly received by the fans. Anyone who watches RAW can tell you that, not to mention WWE has acknowledged it in many ways on their website, etc. What you don't seem to understand is that there is currently not a reliable source for information as to why he is getting booed, and why people don't like him. I urge you, and everyone really, to read the reliable source link in order to understand Wikipedia's policy on inclusion in terms of reliability. After reading, you should understand why this information can not yet be included - its not a case of bias, its a case of there not being a good source. Basically, "everyone on my message board said he sucks because of reasons x, y, z" doesn't count, and neither does a conversation beteween you and your friends, sorry.--Naha|^(talk) 16:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

ROFL so you are telling me that actual people knowing for a fact why they don't like him is a reliable source? I am not saying make this the only reason just that it is one of the reasons it is a simple fact that there are people who don't like him for this reason thats why it should be included. We arn't talking about a moment in history we are talking about how people feel about somthing so what is a better source then actual people saying how they feel ? I don't hate Cena to passionatly I hate when people ignore the facts. It is an undeniable fact that there are people who don't like Cena for his lack of in ring ability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

Personally, I think the whole issue of Cena lacking in-ring ability is a case of the old bandwagon trip propelled by Cena himself when he "admitted" his technical shortcomings, as part of kayfabe. But that's beside the point. Anyhow, this isn't an argument about sourcing, since what's perceived to be Cena's in-ring inability has already been covered in the "Fan backlash" section, as I've already mentioned two posts ago, causing me to wonder just what it'll take for you to stop beating this dead horse, 66.75.215.145. --Antrophica 18:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no Mr. 66.75.215.145, I'm telling you its NOT a reliable source. Anyone can say anything. If WWE.com or RAW Magazine had a story saying "fans don't like Cena due to his in-ring ability", we could reliably source that particular comment. If Cena stated in an interview or on an episode of RAW something to the tune of "people are telling me I have no in-ring ability..." we could reliably source that particular comment. If Vince McMahon made a smiliar comment, we could source it. As far as "talking about how people feel" you are again, missing the boat. Some people "feel" that "Cena is the sexiest man alive", other people "feel" that "Cena wears cool t-shirts." (both comments that have been removed from the article in the past). We don't just randomly add comments about how random people feel, or the article would be incredibly long and unencyclopedic. So, in this way, yes, it is partially an argument of sourcing. --Naha|^(talk) 20:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Unless you just now posted something about it the mention of Cena being precived as a bad wrestler has never been in here for more then 5 minutes. I can tell you that I have never thought Cena was a talented wrestler long before Cena ever mad mention of it. It is more likely that Cena said anything about his ability because there were alot of fans already saying it long before he made mention of it. Either way I will just drop this it is obvious that you don't care one bit. About getting this right I mean you guys won't even accept when you are wrong about the terms you use so of course you won't accept this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

Again, this article does deal, to a lesser extent, with Cena's perceived lack of in-ring ability, but it cannot delve deeper because of statements exchanged between Cena and Triple H under kayfabe. Not without sounding biased. Throwing a tantrum and leaving in a huff despite being treated with patience and amiability is not a good way to be taken seriously. If you truly want to contribute constructively to this article, you start by putting aside your personal preferences and learn the concept of neutrality.

Additionally, the term, "Six Moves of Doom" is not an endorsement of the term, but a means of describing Cena's sequential moveset with fewer complications. It does not bolster his status, it does not make him appear to be a better wrestler, because it is derogatory. --Antrophica 19:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The article covers the issue well and in a neutral fashion, and the information hass been there for well over a month. --Naha|^(talk) 20:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I really do not see why it should be emphasized more that a part of the IWC thinks Cena is a limited wrestler. Heck, why don't I ever here them complain about Batista for example? Apart from that, it really isn't relevant to state the opinion of a part of the IWC about a wrestler. Or is it the intention to start adding that to all wreslers' profiles?

The IWC just seem to pick on Cena more than anyone else, which is a notable fact. And it's pointless to keep argueing over it. What's been said has been said. Blacklist 03:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

One little note about the IWC favouring Batista: Batista's character is more entrenched in wrestling, he only cares about wrestling, most of his success came from the storylines involving his break up with a wrestling-related stable and making a name for himself independently from Triple H. Wrestling-based storylines are more appreciated than manufcatured corporate champions that appeal to the teen demographic. The fact Cena is getting booed now by the majority proves everyone bar females and the youth are fed up with the coprorate nature of Cena's limited character and Vince's attempts to broaden his appeal beyond what the audience loves. Wrestling.

-Dr. R.K.Z

What exactly is it about Cena's wrestling style that people don't like? I see him as a typical brawler. Didn't Stone Cold Steve Austin have a similar style? As far as him being "clumsy" during his ring entrance and when he strikes, im sure it's an intended exaggeration. --Killakane24 12:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Austin had charisma, plus, he put on some really great matches in his earlier (mostly pre-"Stone Cold", ironically) years. Cena is yet to even be part of a great match, yet alone actively contribute to it.

I musst apologize early for saying this, so, I'm sorry. To all of you out there that go on and on and on about how much a particular wrestler "sucks" or lacks in ring ability, i have to let you in on a little secret, the creative team at WWE puts a limit on what each wrestler is allowed to do in the ring. This means that for the likes of the cruiserweights, they can't perform a move that you would find a superweight using. eg. a chokeslam (even though with the help of their opponent, they are very capable of it). When Cena was in XPW as when he first arrived in WWE he had a moveset that was not as limited as it is now. It's time to miove on from blaming the individual wrestlers for their in-ring ability, if they had none, they would'nt be at the top of the promotion.

Think about it.

-howdyalikemenow?

User:Gene_Snitsky

If you're going to consistently blank out a portion of the article, at least take it upon yourself to give an explanation. --Antrophica 09:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't Snitsky's fault. ;-D DGX 01:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Says you. He did it again. Someone should leave him a note on his talk page. Blacklist 05:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Lol, my above statement was a joke. I was refering to Gene Snitsky's real life quote "It wasn't my fault". But regardless, I left him a note on his talk page. DGX 22:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Taking Something Out

"Lately, Jonh Cena has been acting more like a tweener than a face, by constantly swearing and acting more violent by slapping Triple H."

1. It's John, not Jonh. 2. He hasn't been acting like a tweener, he's doing the same old shtick 3. Constantly swearing? Please 4. He's a wrestler. "Slapping Triple H" doesn't make him seem like a more violent person.

69.251.243.110 22:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)Brendan

1. It's most likely a spelling mistake ;-)

2. He has been acting more violently in-ring, but his promos are mostly the same.

3. He has not been swearing more often as of late.

4. It (is supposed to) makes him seem more agressive.

Blacklist 05:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

B-2/B²

Should we include the brief teaming with Bull Buchanan (used as an enforcer) from 2002? ViperBite 21:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I think we ought to. It wasn't that brief. A couple of months, at least. --Antrophica 22:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Fake Cheers

Does anyone else but me think that the John Cena Cheers are fake at least on the entrance, I hear the same girl screem in the background the same way everytime he comes out and when he wins the match.

All girl's screams are kinda the same. And I doubt the WWE picked up WCW's sound juicing talents when they bought them. Blacklist 23:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

lol your probly right maybe I was just amazed to hear Cena get cheered.... finnally

Wouldn't surprise me if the cheers were fake.

WWE has used this for Cena on occasion, at the Royal Rumble they even spliced in old crowd shots(you could see some old signs). TJ Spyke 22:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Really? I'd like to see some proof. Blacklist 03:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

All you need do is look up an old WWE tape with the footage, then watch the Rumble. Not sure which one it was, but it's been used before during edited versions of RAW seen on After-Burn also.

The Cena chants on the DVD of Wrestlemania 22 are DEFINATLY piped in.

-Dr. R.K.Z

can't fake cheers on the ECW One Night Stand DVD release but, watch them try

Same thing happened with the released version of Wrestlemania 18. Cheers for The Rock were added in.

First World Title Shot and PPV Main Event

I believe that there should at least be a mention of Cena winning a #1 Contenders Tournament in April 2003, with him facing, and losing to, WWE Champion Brock Lesnar at Backlash 2003. I consider it a significant part of his career.

ECW

wow just seen ECW One Night Stand and wow just.. kinda ... feel.. bad ... for...wow... can't say I didn't see it comming but... ouch... cant help but feel bad for the guy ... just... ouch.. huh.. thats all.. ouch...

No worry. He's getting it back tonight on Raw.

Cena and his manufactured ass got what was coming to him, too bad he's going to reclaim it on some BS technicality, have the title vacated and job out Cena at Vengeance, put him in a feud with Orton whilst we get a fresh heel champion who can actually wrestle worth a lick.

The title and the title history page

WAIT: when you clik cena's name in the title history section while it used to say January 29 2006- it now says January 29 2006-June 11 2006

That's because Cena lost the WWE Title to Rob Van Dam at One Night Stand. Hopefully they keep the title off of him, I can't believe they let him have the title for so damn long when the only people who cheer for him are women and children, and has the wrestling ability of someone like Hulk Hogan. TJ Spyke 22:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Do not disrespect the Hulk my friend or you will have the whole wrestling community against you K-man-1

You probably never even saw Hogan's best "technical" matches, K-man, not to mention you're speaking as if Hogan is universally liked.

John Cena's wrestling abilities

John Cena is the worst in ring performer that I have ever seen, and quite possibly the most ridiculous champion the WWE has ever had! Firstly, he has no variation to his moveset, and aas the ECW crowd rightly said at One Night Stand--SAME OLD SHIT! Its not like the moves he has are even good, for hi to continue using them. Although Cena is a good entertainer, quite frankly he is the worst wrestler I have seen in my life, and as for him having a World Title reign--I think it is absolutely preposterous. He shouldn't even be in the WWE--OVW should suit his mediocre, half baked, sloppy wrestling style better. (Fr3nZi3 22:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

I don't think we can really say anything about the man I mean im not out there night after night tring to do what these wrestlers do day in and day out these men train travel and entertain for US so I really cant down Cena at all, Unless ive done it. As I personally don't like the charactor of Jhon Cena and it could use some work I do respect the person John Cena. I mean come on its not like hes NOT tring to entertain us he iIS tring to entertain us.

I've actually done better than Cena during my old wrestling days, prior to a leg injury, and beleive me, he's nothing in comparison, even to guys I don't like (RVD for instance, even though I'm proud he finalyl earned something he clearly worked hard for). The only way Cena can entertain actual fans at this point is get shot through the head.

(To direct above unsigned comment) That's your point of view, and rather mean, Dr. RKZ (Wanting murder? Please). I agree that his wrestling ability is not the best in the WWE. But, I have found it funny that most internet fans, much like two of the commentors above me, cheered for Cena back in 2003 and 2004, and NOW bring out the fact that he is a "sub-par" wrestler by Smark standards.
Me, along with others have said it before and we will most likely say it again: If you don't like him, don't watch his match/the main event. Because whining about it does not solve problems. Blacklist 07:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but why should we stop watching wrestling for just one guy! We are paying for a service where we are supposed to be watching the "World's greatest wrestling, and if we aren't, we should be able to complain about it. If he's such a great wrestler, then why doesn't he go to UFC. He isn't any use to WWE fans! Th only reason he's champion is because he sells so much merchandise!

Blacklist, I love that you can't recognise humour from someone being serious (as if I'd want anyone hsot in the head), when Cena: Warrior Princess is stinking up a world title I've paid money to see become the focus of good wrestling matches in the past (and even with Hogan and Warrior, that was possible every so often in the earlier days), then I'm obligated to watch the title matches unfold even if he's the champion or not.

Secondly, I love it when the Chain Gang tell people to like him or leave him...it's like a backwards southern american attitude to criticism of the Bush administration, love America or leave it, when any sane guy would fight for a better country. I'm not calling you or any chain gang member rednecks, but I'm just comparing the rationality of the argument always coming down to that without much defense to keep us watching this idiot.

For the record, every internet fan did'nt like the stale direction Cena was taking in 2004, we knew he was stagnating, and a lot of people were'nt watching him at that point because his matches sucked during his US title reigns. When Cena dips into the mid-card will people stop watching him. Vince can draw for the Yu-Gi-Oh fanbase without putting the belt on Cena, and hopefully one day we see that, and not have to endure the equally ignorant "whining" from his fans over how "great" he is, because you yourself are'nt solving jack countering like that

Well, you can complain all you want, but I doubt that Vince or that POS booker Johnny Ace will actually listen. They don't take shit from nobody.
Second, I am not Chain Gang. I was also tired of Cena holding the title. I am only holding up equal stand for Cena because Internet fans like yourself expect too much out of him.
Third, I did NOT say every Internet fan. I said MOST. Look back at June of last year. Cena gets traded to RAW, and he comes out to one of the loudest pops in the history of the company. This June, he gets booed out of ECW territory and continues to get loud mixed reactions from every crowd he meets.
Finally, his main fans are small and young, I agree. But at least they believe in wrestling as if it were a TV show or a movie (AKA ENTERTAINMENT) instead of constant backstage politics that IWC members, like you, follow on news sites. Blacklist 19:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course we expect much, he was showing his potential was greater than it could ever hope to be way back when his freestlye heel persona made him SD's brekout star in 2003 during the Brock Lesnar/Kurt Angle war,when he turned face, SD "protected him" as much as they could until he was thrown to the lions so to speak.

In June 2005, Cena got that immense reaction, true, but that was only because he had been stuck on the "B-Show" that could hide his limitations quite easily. He was a broken record by the time his first title reign eventually ended, syaing the same old shit, cutting the same old promos, calling people the same stale derogatory names, whilst guys like Chris Jericho and Jay Reso were owning him on the mike with minumum effort. SD is kind of like ECW, they hide the negatives of whatever talents they have to the point that many can't see them. You take them out of the environment (such as The Public Enemy, Tazz, and others) and there exposed. It's not fair, I know, because Tazz is a legend in this buisness, and in ECW history, but that's the mastery of telivision.

You have a very narrow-minded view of the IWC, we still enjoy wrestling, the telivision production, the characters, the gimmicks, just as much as the young demographic. Why persist in making us think "Internet fandom" is a dirty word? Wasting your breath there.

You can be entertained through great stories told in the ring, look at TNA, they may be suffering right now by hiring broken down WCW rejects, but in a sports-entertainment aspect, matches like AJ Styles/Daniels/Joe have proven to be far superior to anything Cena has cut on the mike or produced in the ring.

I can still watch wrestling as entertainment, I, and plenty of others, don't see Cena as a good entertainer the way he is. Get over it.

Whatever. Wrestling is scripted. YOU get over it. Blacklist 05:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Everybody get over it wether you like it or you don't Cena is on Raw in the WWE and getting paid to do it, and all this argumenting over Cena is making me hear about him more and more so stop talking about him if you don't like him already. You abviously came to Cena's article so you must have some intrest in the man. So case closed some like him some don't and some just don't care period.

WAAAY TO LONG

we need to shorten the article,what should we cut out?Typoqueen 00:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Obviously we need to end the week by week recaps.

I think someone should simply paraphrase the events of 2005 and 2006, and if it looks good, we keep it. Mshake3 02:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

i put 2004,2005,and 2006 together and its still 34 kilobites.Typoqueen 16:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

A lot of late 05 can be condensed into a single paragraph regarding a feud with Kurt Angle. Also, I think that Cena's FU to Bischoff when he was fired is completely irrevelent. 71.201.59.253 15:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

John Cena Mediation

Hi, I am mediating the John Cena dispute. Please feel free to participate in the mediation, and I encourage you to do so. Thanks - BrownHornet21 02:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• We've reached a compromise in the John Cena mediation. The compromise is:

1. In the Personal section, insert a short statement - "Cena also loves to watch cartoons" or some other language everyone can agree on.

2. Let's keep the specific channels he watches off for now, as the assertion that Cena watches them doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. BUT, in the future, should they influence his work in the ring (e.g., he starts yelling out "this spinebuster's for you, Scooby Doo!") or in the recording studio (e.g., records a song about Kim Possible) or he launches into a new career doing voice work for cartoons (and he says watching certain channels influenced him to do it), then it would make sense to think about including such references somewhere in his biography.

3. Let's keep the Dave The Barbarian reference off for now, unless he actually makes an appearance on that show. At that time, it would make sense to then include the reference in his biography.

BrownHornet21 22:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal info section

Is any of it notable enough to be in this article? --JFred 03:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think any of it is. Should be deleted.(Halbared 09:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC))

I believe it is. And all those bits of information (not just the bits I submitted but the information about the video games and him living in Tampa) should be put back.(DaffyDuck619)

It kind of hit me as a "oh for real I didn't know that, thats cool" so I think it should stay I would like to know thing like that. Shouldn't that be under like hobbies or personal life or intrests or something. seems interesting to know if your a fan.

They are not notable and unencyclopedic, even if they fall under a "oh that's interesting" they have no relavence to the article at hand. --- Lid 06:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes they do it's interesting and notable facts about the man who the article is about. User (DaffyDuck619)

No more "Six Moves of Doom"?

Can somebody tell me why the Six Moves of Doom section was taken out? Admittedly, he's using them less and less now, but it's still an important part of his "history" and is still discussed in most wrestling communities to this day.fuck da crips john cena says.

Correction: It is discussed in most internet wrestling communities. Personally, I don't see why it should be removed, but I can see it being removed since it is not a term used backstage by WWE, but instead by IWC members/fans. Blacklist 02:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

REAL Correction: It was acknowledged within kayfabe as HHH "caught out" Cena during the "Six Moves of Doom" sequence.

No. The WWE has never said acknowledged on their programming that the Six Moves of Doom exist. Neither have I seen it referenced in any news articles stemming from the WWE. Even though Hunter acknowledged the moves, they are never seen nor spoken of outside of the WWE, and mostly (and probably only) inside of Internet wrestling forums. Blacklist 04:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course the WWE isn't going to formally acknowledge them, that would break kayfabe. And Rob Van Dam + Sabu have also exploited the predictability of Cena's "combo" in their own matches.

Still, the WWE does not acknowledge them as "The Moves of Doom." Leave it at that. Blacklist 17:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Re-Lock?

I see the article was locked once before, but can we go ahead and re-lock it? It seems like every 10 minutes some anon user is inserting some nonsense which another anon user removes and adds their own until someone else reverts it all back to normal. Bdve 06:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

fortunatley it has been locked again.i concur that it is utterly ridiculous however.67.185.26.89 04:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Chain Gang Symbol

In the section where it talks about the creation or what have you of the Chain Gang Symbol, should it not be mentioned that the symbol is at least HEAVILY stolen from the G-Unit symbol? Just curious - Hypnotized

done - Bdve 12:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Kabal

A singer called kabal did his own version of the time is now called your time is up. go to www.myspace.com/kabal to hear his song and go to his blog to see what he had to say about John Cena.

Yeah. Not notable. Just more anti-Cena stuff. Blacklist 18:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)