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Alright my little bot, requested move time it is. If there is an equally significant Hyde Park in the US or elsewhere, I will have learned something. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Denmark Street

Gatoclass (talk) 08:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Reculver FAC

Hello Ritchie333, could I trouble you for a revisit of the issue of sources at the Reculver FAC? Things have moved on a bit, and Ian Rose has asked for further input from you.[1] As things stand, hamiltonstone supports, Hchc2009 opposes, and I'm baffled! But there remain a couple of ways I can take things forward, and I'd very much appreciate it if you'd review developments since you last commented (per the first diff above, here it is again) and give your view, which I think I'd better take as final. This would help me decide how to proceed, and I'd be very grateful for it. Of course, if you'd rather not, then I apologise for the intrusion! Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 13:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi - I'll see what I can do, but to be honest I need to read through the whole article and spot check sources (where I can), which is likely to take two full evenings that I just don't have. Anyway, I do realise you're frustrated about lack of feedback, and from a brief look through it does look to be a good and thorough article about Reculver. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Well it looks like this evening's out for sure, happy birthday! Obviously you can only do what you have time for, and I appreciate the kind words – I hope you don't mind, but I think I might drop a note on the FAC to say I've asked you, so that things don't start to look too stale. I mean to put absolutely zero pressure on you by doing that – just, if you find time to have a look, great, if not I'll have to decide what to do at some point anyway. Have a great evening! Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 18:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Happy birthday

Additional candles not pictured

This way for pipe and slippers

Yes, talk page stalkers, I am now officially a grizzled old fart. Where's the cake? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Denmark Street

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Denmark Street you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Crisco 1492 -- Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:01, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Brewmeister (brewery)

Gatoclass (talk) 11:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ashford, Kent

The article Ashford, Kent you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ashford, Kent for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Droodkin -- Droodkin (talk) 10:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I got a second review which found far more issues (most of which will improve the article), so I've put it back on review for the minute. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:26, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Ritchie, I noticed that you commented on the peer review for future-FAC Katy Perry. As you're an experienced editor aware of the FA criteria, I was wondering if you could copyedit or give me some suggestions on the "Writing and recording"/"Composition" sections of my sandbox, on which I'm restructuring Trouble (Natalia Kills album), an article which I've been improving since September 2013. I think your suggestions would greatly improve the chances of getting my first FA! Thank you in advance, and no worries if you don't want to. :) pedro | talk 19:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I find it ironic I'm being consulted on my FA skills when I've never actually put an article through FA myself (I did give it a go with Keith Moon last year and there were some supports, but hey ho - it's still a GA, and that'll do). I had a quick look and there's nothing immediately obvious that stands out in being wrong - the obvious thing is to check your non-free files (which I assume the album art and music samples are) and make sure the fair use rationales are watertight. For example, the cover art in the infobox should not be any larger anywhere on WP. I'll see if I can have a more in-depth look next week. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I actually just want you to review those two sections I mentioned in the sandbox. (Text, obviously). But thank you pedro | talk 20:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Real Ale

Busy on the "wireless"....

Hi Ritchie, Kent's nearest meetup is next Sunday and we have real ale on tap. ϢereSpielChequers 11:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Yum. Unfortunately there is no possible way of me getting to a meetup in the forseeable future (assuming the London ones run on Sunday afternoons) due to my radio show and especially not next weekend as I've got to shuffle kids around from visiting other relatives before all that. Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, well that's a good excuse. The London Meetups are on Sundays and seem to be immovable, though the following month has been expanded to a 72 hour event but we have other things going on in London on other days - hopefully listed here. ϢereSpielChequers 12:21, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The principal problem - and this definitely isn't having a go at you or any other Wikipedians I've met - is that Rhonda and I like to do things together as a couple where possible. Gigs, radio shows, family days out etc. Unfortunately the general atmosphere of Wikimedia events ("Come to Wikimania! Pay money to sit in a room with a laptop!") and the Wikipedia community (or at least the more vocal flavour that turns up at ANI and noticeboards) is a complete and utter turn-off that scares her away. WP:BITE squared. She'd probably get on well with Natasha (they're both teachers) if she popped along to a meetup but otherwise it would be hit and miss. So, while I personally would quite like to pop along to another meetup, it has to go to the bottom of priorities. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:41, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

HiQ Easytyre and Autocentres

Hi Richie333,

Thanks for your note about HiQ Easy Tyre and Autocentres and there are a few points I want to raise with everyone.

Firstly, we are still building out the content as we learn so would appreciate a little bit of help and patience from everyone rather than just people saying delete pages.

Secondly, the HiQ brand is owned by Goodyear Dunlop but operates under a number of regional sub brands - HiQ is the national brand a Easy Tyre is the sub brand. So it is comparable with the likes of Kwik Fit.

Thirdly, it is slightly against the idea behind Wikipedia to only focus on the 'big brands' especially when we have a lot of local interest content that is being built into the pages with external references.

It is also worth noting that we are getting a lot of issues with people taking over the digital presence of Easy Tyre & Autocentres who do not actually own the brand - this is happening on a lot of social networks and obviously Wikipedia is something where people can get the right information on the brand, ownership and other important information.

Always happy to talk and love feedback on how to improve things.

TG — Preceding unsigned comment added by TerraceGent (talk • contribs) 13:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

The CEO of Wal-Mart doesn't like this picture, but it's within Wikipedia policies and guidelines

@TerraceGent: Hi. I think it's important to make a couple of points. Firstly, despite what a lot of companies think, the presence or absence of a Wikipedia article really doesn't make too much of a difference to its success. For example, D&D Autos, a local repair company to me, have a strong turnover and financial success, yet they do not have a Wikipedia article. The best place to put correct factual information about yourself is on your own website - people will believe you are telling "your" side of the story.

Secondly, once you are considered important and significant enough to have a Wikipedia article, you are stuck with it. If, in the future, a BBC Midlands news report states that the business has failed, has been bought out by a competitor, or a company director has been arrested and charged for dangerous driving, that can be used as a reliable source and the negative information can go in the article for anyone to see at the end of a Google search. An article about your business is nothing to be proud of - so think twice and ask yourself if you really want one!

Thirdly, I don't think anyone deletes pages that are created in good faith by new editors for fun. It's a really difficult balance, and if it seems unfair, it is at least supposed to be consistently unfair across the board for everybody. Creating a new article is a popular way into editing Wikipedia regularly, and trying to find a way of staying within established policies, while trying not to scare new users away is one of the toughest challenges we face. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback you sent over and I have made the changes you suggested --TerraceGent (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

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Do you ever get the feeling that some days nothing you do goes right?  :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dartford Crossing

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Poker Face?

FOR SALE : Unwanted gift. One careful owner

Quite informative (and even amusing): [2]. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I confess I am generally ignorant of the modern pop world, having grown up in the late 80s where you could buy Made in Japan and Thick as a Brick on vinyl for less money than the typical Rolf Harris work is now being sold for. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

ah ... just didgeridon't. "...stretching those rock and roll barriers" (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

No Stairway to Heaven? Denied! On a serious note, can you imagine what would happen if The Sun found all those pictures of bell ends over on Commons and decided it was a bad thing? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Family Days Out near to Bell End? Am more worried about the bell ends over at The Sun. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. ([3]) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

LMAO. I have a theory that eventually all of my childhood TV heroes of the 70s and 80s will eventually all turn out to be "kiddy tamperers". Even Timmy Mallet's Pinky Punky will be in court before long!! Superb work Ritchie on Denmark Street BTW, amazing how much it's come long in such a short space of time, Most impressed! Hopefully it'll pass GA tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:02, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully if we can just iron out a few wrinkles in the sources it will, yes. It's come a long way in the last week and a bit. Just look at where we were back then. Hurrah for the power of collaborative editing! And also the line "Many properties on Denmark Street will be demolished" has been comprehensively debunked to be completely wrong. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:06, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Sadly most wiki articles are like the way it was. I was just browsing through some of the London tube stations, major ones like Piccadilly and Leicester Square and could not believe they weren't decent. Given how much traffic the articles must get you'd think "somebody" would care.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I think most people who read Wikipedia don't know what a GA is, let alone why it's important. Most people don't care that you've got proper book sources with perfectly formatted ISBNs, even though if you pick up any history book worth reading, you'll find that's exactly what they do. And I've certainly seen arguments re sourcing where the response has been akin to "oh come on, it's an article about an album, not the bloody Israeli-Palestine conflict" and people are against proper sourcing and inline citations. Mind you, I've never really bought into the whole em/en dash issue or the intricacies of inbox formatting.

The trouble is, just getting an article to GA status can be a lot of work. Denmark Street was very quick to get close to it. I've been slogging through The White Album and it's taking forever to get even close - I look at all the completely uncited stuff about variations of Canadian cassette reissues and just want to bang my head against a desk and cry. And then there's Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs - one of my favourite albums ever, languishing with uncited or questionably cited quotations and tags. I feel an essay coming on.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm happy to help you promote The White Album. I don't actually think it needs much more to pass and you're being too self critical! Still, for such a major album it's got to be a decent article (which it looks to be).♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Since you're here, here's a pop quiz for you. Let's say you're stewarding one of these album articles, and in the space of 24 hours, four separate IPs add edits in good faith but make the article worse. Adding genres, changing track times, changing British to American spelling, adding non-notable unrelated trivia such as a fan recording. All totally unsourced, of course. Let's say you catch and revert all four of them. Now, at that point, you've broken WP:3RR. The IPs are long gone, their addresses recycled, and the talk page just has your one post pointing to a laundry list of policies. You can't discuss, and you may well feel the next IP edit merits reverting. So an admin can legitimately block you. How do you extract yourself from that situation? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Report it and ask several other people to revert until the ips are blocked?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:02, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Joyce Green Hospital

I've added an infobox and done a few tweaks. The website in the EL section looks useful for expanding the article. Do you have access to The Times archive online? Mjroots (talk) 21:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Afraid I don't. I wish I did as some other Wikipedians do. As I'm doing more and more research these days, maybe I should see what some of the Highbeam and other online research offers are, so I can take advantage of. This article was pretty easy to get off the ground with some Google Books research. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I take it that you are in the UK. I get access via Kent County Council's website with my library card. Mjroots (talk) 08:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm in Kent, but my sources are generally either online via Google Books or Newspapers (which seem to be getting better year on year), or by physically buying "dead-tree" versions - Ashford, Kent used a bunch of history books I picked up in a local bookshop cheaply. I have been meaning to pop along to Kent County Archives at some point and have a look - my dad has been done family and local history for decades and knows archive facilities inside out. I last saw my library card in about 2007, so who knows where it is now :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you'll need to get a new card then. Mjroots (talk) 10:00, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens

Would be great I think to get both to GA. I think Hyde Park would be the tougher of the two and has a great deal more material to cover. Obviously Hyde Park is a key article not only for London but for UK music too. Probably easier to do Kensington first.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I think to start off we need a good source or two. I can dig up travel guides and a basic introduction, but for a GA quality article, using those for major amounts of the facts just sounds, well, wrong. I did start doing sourcing for both and realised how little I know about either. If you want to concentrate on Kensington, I'll give Hyde Park a go, as Stones in the Park (the only article I started and got to GA) and related festivals mean I have a bit more of an idea about it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hyde Park is more of a priority I think. Perhaps do that first?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:01, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'll start working through that. I'm always a little wary of putting up a GA that I don't have a reasonable working knowledge of, everything I've put up so far is something I feel I have a good handle on the subject. As I said, I'll want to arm myself with at least two well respected books. That will probably result in an explosion of content, after which we can use online / Google Books sources to finesse the details. For light relief, I may break off and quickly take You Never Give Me Your Money to GA status, which I can probably do in an evening (I've cobbled together an eight track composite of the song from stuff online and am using it as a test to teach myself Logic / Pro Tools mixing). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)