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==Evolution==
==Evolution==
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* Evolution does not violate the [[Second Law of Thermodynamics]].
* Evolution does not violate the [[Second Law of Thermodynamics]].
A common argument against evolution is that entropy, according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, increases over time, and thus evolution could not produce increased [[evolution of complexity|complexity]]. However, the law only applies to isolated systems,<ref>{{cite web| url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html |title=Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution |year=2003 |first=Mark |last=Isaak| publisher=The Talk Origins Archive|work=TalkOrigins.org | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20131003174642/http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html | archivedate = 2013-10-03| deadurl=no}}</ref> where no transfer of heat or matter between the system and its surroundings is allowed. The Earth is not an isolated system, as it absorbs and radiates the Sun's energy.<ref>{{cite web |url= http://physics.gmu.edu/~roerter/EvolutionEntropy.htm |title=Does Life On Earth Violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics? |first=Robert N. |last=Oerter |publisher=[[George Mason University]] Dept. of Physics and Astronomy |accessdate=January 11, 2011 | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20130901011736/http://physics.gmu.edu/~roerter/EvolutionEntropy.htm | archivedate = 2013-09-01| deadurl=no}}</ref> Entropy must only increase in the universe as a whole. '''Conversely, the second law of thermodynamics is an absolute and universal law of physics; the law applies to isolated systems and to all open systems as well. Studies <ref> Peterson, J. (2014). Evolution, Entropy, & Biological Information, The American Biology Teacher, 76, No. 2</ref> <ref>Peterson, J. (2012)Understanding the Thermodynamics of Biological Order, The American Biology Teacher, Vol. 74, No. 1 </ref> explain that the open (not isolated) system of Earth is a necessary condition but is not sufficient to account for the increased complexity produced by evolution. Clausius’ statement that the entropy of the world tends to increase is more likely to have come from observing local examples such as ice melting than thinking about the universe as a whole. '''[[User:LEBOLTZMANN2|LEBOLTZMANN2]] ([[User talk:LEBOLTZMANN2|talk]]) 17:32, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
A common argument against evolution is that entropy, according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, increases over time, and thus evolution could not produce increased [[evolution of complexity|complexity]]. However, the law only applies to isolated systems,<ref>{{cite web| url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html |title=Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution |year=2003 |first=Mark |last=Isaak| publisher=The Talk Origins Archive|work=TalkOrigins.org | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20131003174642/http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html | archivedate = 2013-10-03| deadurl=no}}</ref> where no transfer of heat or matter between the system and its surroundings is allowed. The Earth is not an isolated system, as it absorbs and radiates the Sun's energy.<ref>{{cite web |url= http://physics.gmu.edu/~roerter/EvolutionEntropy.htm |title=Does Life On Earth Violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics? |first=Robert N. |last=Oerter |publisher=[[George Mason University]] Dept. of Physics and Astronomy |accessdate=January 11, 2011 | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20130901011736/http://physics.gmu.edu/~roerter/EvolutionEntropy.htm | archivedate = 2013-09-01| deadurl=no}}</ref> Entropy must only increase in the universe as a whole. '''Proposed addition: Conversely, the second law of thermodynamics is an absolute and universal law of physics; the law applies to isolated systems and to all open systems as well. Studies <ref> Peterson, J. (2014). Evolution, Entropy, & Biological Information, The American Biology Teacher, 76, No. 2</ref> <ref>Peterson, J. (2012)Understanding the Thermodynamics of Biological Order, The American Biology Teacher, Vol. 74, No. 1 </ref> explain that the open (not isolated) system of Earth is a necessary condition but is not sufficient to account for the increased complexity produced by evolution. Clausius’ statement that the entropy of the world tends to increase is more likely to have come from observing local examples such as ice melting than thinking about the universe as a whole. '''[[User:LEBOLTZMANN2|LEBOLTZMANN2]] ([[User talk:LEBOLTZMANN2|talk]]) 17:32, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
:Do you have any sources that show that this is a common misconception?--[[User:Asher196|Asher196]] ([[User talk:Asher196|talk]]) 18:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
:Do you have any sources that show that this is a common misconception?--[[User:Asher196|Asher196]] ([[User talk:Asher196|talk]]) 18:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
::Also, please read the "inclusion criteria" at the top of this page.--[[User:Asher196|Asher196]] ([[User talk:Asher196|talk]]) 18:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
::Also, please read the "inclusion criteria" at the top of this page.--[[User:Asher196|Asher196]] ([[User talk:Asher196|talk]]) 18:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

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Business Insider "stealing" our stuff. we're credited though.

http://www.businessinsider.com/science-misconceptions-and-myths-2013-7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr swordfish (talk • contribs) 20:07, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Early microwave ovens did cook from the inside out

The first generation of microwave ovens operated at in the .915 MHz band, where the skin depth is much deeper than the 2.45 GHz presently used. In that era they did cook food from the inside out and, as the saying goes, "No story; the lies are all true." Due largely to concerns about the reseonance of the human head on the part of regulators whose understanding of the quality factor "Q" of resinators left much to be desired, U.S. government pressure was applied to manufacturers to raise the frequency to 2.45. See various Wikipedia articles, beginning with "Microwave Oven."

This may be too fine a point for the blunt instrument of "common misconceptions," but there is a difference between a statement that is no longer true and a statement that was at one time true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.109.144 (talk) 23:33, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that information in Microwave oven (which only mentions 915 MHz, not .915). Anyway, a greater skin depth still doesn't mean that food is cooked from the inside out, only that the energy is distributed more evenly. Sjö (talk) 07:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Having a greater skin depth just means that the radiation had a greater penetration; the greatest radiation exposure (and therefore heating) will still be to the outer layers. Microwave ovens do not, and have never, cooked "from the inside out." siafu (talk) 09:33, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brontosaurus

We have discussed and rejected this entry previously with the consensus view being that this is not a misconception, but just a matter of formal science and popular parlance using different words for the same thing. In any case, the "misconception" is not treated in the parent article, which merely states that "Brontosaurus is considered a junior synonym and has therefore been discarded from formal use." Since the entry fails to meet the criteria for inclusion, I'm removing it. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 14:03, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Color of the sun

It seems to be a very common belief that the sun looks like the image on the page Sun. Namely, that it is orange and splotchy. At the time of writing, this fails the second criterion. The misconception is not mentioned on the Sun page. I think that it should be added there and added to this list. — DanielLC 21:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion, but could you please read the section at the top of this page titled "Inclusion 4/Criteria"? Best regards, Looie496 (talk) 01:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Evolution

Existing section:

A common argument against evolution is that entropy, according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, increases over time, and thus evolution could not produce increased complexity. However, the law only applies to isolated systems,[1] where no transfer of heat or matter between the system and its surroundings is allowed. The Earth is not an isolated system, as it absorbs and radiates the Sun's energy.[2] Entropy must only increase in the universe as a whole. Proposed addition: Conversely, the second law of thermodynamics is an absolute and universal law of physics; the law applies to isolated systems and to all open systems as well. Studies [3] [4] explain that the open (not isolated) system of Earth is a necessary condition but is not sufficient to account for the increased complexity produced by evolution. Clausius’ statement that the entropy of the world tends to increase is more likely to have come from observing local examples such as ice melting than thinking about the universe as a whole. LEBOLTZMANN2 (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sources that show that this is a common misconception?--Asher196 (talk) 18:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, please read the "inclusion criteria" at the top of this page.--Asher196 (talk) 18:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Isaak, Mark (2003). "Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution". TalkOrigins.org. The Talk Origins Archive. Archived from the original on 2013-10-03. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  2. ^ Oerter, Robert N. "Does Life On Earth Violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics?". George Mason University Dept. of Physics and Astronomy. Archived from the original on 2013-09-01. Retrieved January 11, 2011. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  3. ^ Peterson, J. (2014). Evolution, Entropy, & Biological Information, The American Biology Teacher, 76, No. 2
  4. ^ Peterson, J. (2012)Understanding the Thermodynamics of Biological Order, The American Biology Teacher, Vol. 74, No. 1
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