Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship

This miscellaneous page was nominated for deletion on 12 March 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

Is this project still active?

Thinking of marking it with {{inactive}}. -- œ^™ 06:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be productive but it should be. I still check in and think this could address a important problem. When dominant Wikipedians attempt to censor material they don't like they get away with it for now. Please don't make it worse than it is. Good day Zacherystaylor (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 05:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Discussion about changes to WP:NOTCENSORED

There is currently an active discussion about whether changes should be made to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not censored. See almost every thread at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not. Thryduulf (talk) 14:19, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Freedom of speech = New WikiProject

• WP:WikiProject Freedom of speech

Hi there, I'm notifying this WikiProject due to its relevance to Freedom of speech. I've recently gone ahead and created WP:WikiProject Freedom of speech. If you're interested, here are some easy things you can do:

1. List yourself as a participant in the WikiProject, by adding your username here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Freedom_of_speech#Participants.
2. Add userbox {{User Freedom of speech}} to your userpage, which lists you as a member of the WikiProject.
3. Tag relevant talk pages of articles and other relevant pages using {{WikiProject Freedom of speech}}.
4. Join in discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Freedom of speech.
5. Notify others you think might be interested in Freedom of speech to join the WikiProject.

Thank you for your interest in Freedom of speech, — Cirt (talk) 22:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Censorship is still an issue

If anything it has got worse. Search for Penis for example, and you will find an article with pictures of whale penises in jars- images of human penises are only to be displayed on the Human penis page to limit the offence a photograph of a penis might cause to someone looking for penis. I have been banned for 3 weeks, in part for displaying the 1866 painting L'Origine du monde in my userspace, and that image has been added to the banned list. The discussion on removing it from that list is MediaWiki_talk:Bad_image_list#Remove_File:Origin-of-the-World.jpg_from_the_Bad_image_list - please contribute.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 05:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC) Here is a description of censorship in action from an ANI i was involved in last year. I don't know where this idea of images only in main articles came from, but it is ridiculous.

I too have concerns about this IP's edits and fascination with dicks, erections, ejaculation, vulvas, pissing, etc.. (Having such fascinations in one's private life is one thing, but bringing it here becomes disruptive.) They seem to be pressing the limits of NOTCENSORED by seeking the inclusion of sensitive images in unnecessary places. They want explicit images of erect penises, ejaculating penises, peeing men and women, vulvas, etc., in lots of places where such images are unnecessary. In article sections we usually use wikilinks and links to "main" articles. That's where the uncensored images are used, not just everywhere. I tried to explain, but IP93 just doesn't seem to get the hint. Here's something I wrote to illustrate:

"Images are used where necessary, but images that may be offensive to many are used more sparingly, IOW on the articles where they are most relevant. Instead of plastering/spamming (and that's what you seem to be doing) every tree in the forest with pictures of penises, we just put signs that say "penis", and an arrow. When one arrives at the penis tree, there will be a nice picture of a penis on THAT tree, because THAT is where it's relevant. It's not relevant on every other tree in the forest."

Will someone explain to them that wikilinks are sufficient (and don't have to be accompanied by an image), and that by using appropriate (and often very graphic) images on the final target articles, we are keeping Wikipedia uncensored, and that by refusing to plaster/spam such images all over the place, we are not violating NOTCENSORED? They need to stop this behavior. -- Brangifer (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 05:41, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Proposed change of Image for the user box

Not quite sure how to do this, but I would like to suggest the substitution of L'Origine du monde for the blue ribbon as I think that expresses better the fight against censorship, and is relevant. Such a change would hopefully have the effect of reactivating this dormant group. While some might argue that this would be offensive, the size at which the image is displayed means this should not be a problem.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 06:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

{{User Gustave Courbet}} makes a good point I think.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 23:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Removal of book by Koenraad Elst from Further reading section

An RFC has been started because an user was insisting of removing a book by Koenraad Elst ("BJP vis-a-vis Hindu resurgence) from the Further reading section of the BJP article.

The RFC ended with 3 votes in favor of keep and 2 votes for removal.

Now an admin has closed the RFC as "delete".

The only user in the discussion who was impartial (no history of editing in this topic area) voted for keep. All others, including the admin, have edited the topic area previously. Therefore I'm looking for the opinion of an impartial editor. Because the discussions are scattered over several pages, it is likely that the closing admin has not read all the arguments. The discussions are at:

1. talk page,

2. RFC This talk page

3. External_links/Noticeboard

4. Koenraad_Elst_in_further_reading

5. RFC_Closure_at_Bharatiya_Janata_Party

6. Discussion

7. Talk:Bharatiya_Janata_Party/Archive_2#Koenraad_Elst_and_LK_Advani_book

--Calypsomusic (talk) 09:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

It looks like we are discussing this edit at Bharatiya Janata Party. That added a book to "further reading". The book has been removed by the consensus of editors on the article talk page (and an RfC). The removal is good, and arguing about it is disruptive. The removal is nothing to do with censorship. Johnuniq (talk) 11:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Fine, I accept that. Since the removal was disputed also by other editors, all that was needed was a second opinion. Although I am not convinced that the consensus was for "delete" when the majority of votes was keep. This book would be notable, adds value because the pov is missing now in the section and is by an expert on the topic. Thanks again for looking at this. That the removal of a book by a controversial author has nothing to do with censorship is bound to be subjective. --Calypsomusic (talk) 12:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I should have mentioned that it is not the single case of censorship which is worrying, if it would just be this isolated case I would not have worried and even agreed with it, but the fact that there is a pattern where Hindu or pro-Hindu views are censored on wikipedia. Here is an example of this pattern on wikipedia:

Survey

I am conducting a survey to understand if Koenraad Elst could be cited as a valid non biased source for the 2002 Gujarat violence,Babri Masjid and Ram Janmabhoomi articles.My personal opinion is that he represents Hindutva ideology and hence quotes from him will creep in bias in these articles.Since it is a Socio-religious issue.I will appreciate views from users of all religious - non religious followings.
Can we include Koenraad Elst's comments as a valid NPOV factual/news source?
Please highlight with your comments on why we should and why we should not? Concise and responding to these questions.I will only allow the first para of your responses hare.

• Answer here. ~~~~
• Big..No..No ..He is not a first hand information source for Gujarat..while Aid Agencies,News agencies,HR organisations,Police,Government comments will have weight