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Doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG (in particular WP:Artist). The article shows no sign of significant coverage in RS. In addition to several points of concern:

The article has been tagged as copyvio by a bot [1] and the tag has been removed by page creator/significant contributor with no explanation [2]
It has been nominated for speedy because of overtly promotional tone [3], deletion tag has been removed by page creator/significant contributor [4]

Additionally, the sources present on the page do not discuss the subject's life/career in detail but are rather anecdotal. Google search yielded no coverage, and, of particular concern, no mentions on Moroccan media given that the subject is Moroccan. Tachfin (talk) 05:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I explained that the article was not promotional, and we discussed it over. Also other contributors expressed on the article as not being "promotional". Actually, an admin. The article is covered by major articles. The book Through My Lens is a book authored by Achraf Baznani. You (Tachfin) do not have any statement to prove wrong. Is currently featured by magazines (hereinbefore mentioned). Fevrret (talk) 18:57, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The photobook is a book authored by Achraf Baznani ^[1] Maromania (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article meets WP:BASIC and have encyclopedia importance. Is supported by third major magazines in English, Spanish, French, Arab. And has an arab wikipedia page approved by admins. Fevrret (talk) 18:57, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I saw this go by on RC, and thought it rang a bell. Sure enough, I have Draft:Achraf Baznani on my w/l from August 30. It is identical to the initial version of the article now under discussion, which was created a day later by a different editor. Crow^Talk 19:39, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that I created this article. I just modified it, taking by references the interviews which he is featured on. It's not identical, I modified it. Fevrret (talk) 23:49, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, I'm not suggesting any impropriety, more to keep an eye out that there could be multiple copies floating around. If this article is kept, they should be merged into the live copy to avoid having multiple out-of-sync versions, and if this is deleted they should be looked at accordingly. Crow^Talk 23:58, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - obviously, yes needs a clean up, but that's not the purpose of AFD. In ictu oculi (talk)

Comment I looked at the suggested sources and all that I could see are blog posts (even the CNN one is, and it says: Not verified by CNN). I would suggest getting some more reliable sources. But I do not know what the decision should be about an article in @en.wikipedia if there are no such resources in English. Anyone? LaMona (talk) 15:39, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- LaMona, you can find some reliable sources here: ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] ^[7]^[8]Maromania (talk) 20:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep:

Notable individual showing significant coverage in independent reliable sources (see references). Artspace (one of the top galleries in New York, USA) owns works by Baznani and he has featured magazines and newspapers across the world. WP:ARTIST. Quite why the nominator thinks that the sources are not independent.
You can find more articles and artwork by the artist (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The artist is one of the greatest Moroccan photographers ^[9] ^[10]^[11]^[12] ^[13]Maromania

The artist is moroccan, if you (Tachfin) are moroccan^[14] then you can read some newspapers about him in arabic ^[15]

^[16]^[17]^[18]^[19] (talk) 09:15, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

^ http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1167269
^ http://issuu.com/joseantunes/docs/fdjun14web
^ http://www.phmag.ca/magazine/imagining-the-impossible/
^ http://museemagazine.com/art-2/features/emerging-artist-interview-achraf-baznani/
^ http://www.artspace.com/achraf-baznani
^ http://getinspiredmagazine.com/featured/achraf-baznani/
^ Interview with Achraf Baznani, Photoshop Creative Magazine, August 2014, Issue 116, Page 98, ISSN 1747-7816.
^ fotoDNG magazine, Issue 95, Page 77, ISSN 1887-3685.
^ http://www.ufunk.net/photos/inside-my-dreams/
^ http://themoroccanist.com/?p=241
^ http://eindutzendmedien.de/achraf-baznani-meine-kleine-welt/
^ Sayidaty Magazine – July 2014 – Issue 1741 - Dubai Emirate
^ Master photography magazine UK Pages 38-39-40 – May/June 2014 – Volume 11 Issue 1 - ISSN 2042-0234
^ http://www.baznani.com/about-the-artist/
^ http://www.baznani.com/press/
^ http://www.almaghribtoday.net/fjghygj-gefiskcj-geyqhki/2014-02-24-12-51-56.html Template:Ar icon
^ http://www.alarabonline.org/?id=26386 Template:Ar icon
^ http://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=170421 Template:Ar icon
^ "L'expérience photographique d'Achraf Baznani". Al Bayane.Template:Fr icon

[1] ttp://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1167269

[2] ttp://issuu.com/joseantunes/docs/fdjun14web

[3] ttp://www.phmag.ca/magazine/imagining-the-impossible/

[4] ttp://museemagazine.com/art-2/features/emerging-artist-interview-achraf-baznani/

[5] ttp://www.artspace.com/achraf-baznani

[6] ttp://getinspiredmagazine.com/featured/achraf-baznani/

[7] Interview with Achraf Baznani, Photoshop Creative Magazine, August 2014, Issue 116, Page 98, ISSN 1747-7816.

[8] fotoDNG magazine, Issue 95, Page 77, ISSN 1887-3685.

[9] ttp://www.ufunk.net/photos/inside-my-dreams/

[10] ttp://themoroccanist.com/?p=241

[11] ttp://eindutzendmedien.de/achraf-baznani-meine-kleine-welt/

[12] Sayidaty Magazine – July 2014 – Issue 1741 - Dubai Emirate

[13] Master photography magazine UK Pages 38-39-40 – May/June 2014 – Volume 11 Issue 1 - ISSN 2042-0234

[14] ttp://www.baznani.com/about-the-artist/

[15] ttp://www.baznani.com/press/

[16] ttp://www.almaghribtoday.net/fjghygj-gefiskcj-geyqhki/2014-02-24-12-51-56.html Template:Ar icon

[17] ttp://www.alarabonline.org/?id=26386 Template:Ar icon

[18] ttp://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=170421 Template:Ar icon

[19] "L'expérience photographique d'Achraf Baznani". Al Bayane.Template:Fr icon

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 Additionally, the sources present on the page do not discuss the subject's life/career in detail but are rather anecdotal. Google search yielded no coverage, and, of particular concern, no mentions on Moroccan media given that the subject is Moroccan. [[User:Tachfin|Tachfin]] ([[User talk:Tachfin|talk]]) 05:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
-* '''Keep''' You can find more articles and artwork by the artist ({{Find sources|Achraf Baznani}})
-({{Find sources|أشرف بزناني}}) [[User:Maromania|Maromania]] ([[User talk:Maromania|talk]]) 09:37, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
-* '''Keep''' The artist is moroccan, if you (Tachfin) are moroccan<ref>http://www.baznani.com/about-the-artist/</ref> then you can read some newspapers about him in arabic <ref>http://www.baznani.com/press/</ref>
-<ref>http://www.almaghribtoday.net/fjghygj-gefiskcj-geyqhki/2014-02-24-12-51-56.html{{ar icon}}</ref><ref>http://www.alarabonline.org/?id=26386{{ar icon}}</ref><ref>http://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=170421{{ar icon}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=L'expérience photographique d'Achraf Baznani|url=http://www.albayane.press.ma/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22744:de-letrangete-de-la-creation&catid=48:culture&Itemid=123|website=Al Bayane}}{{fr icon}}</ref> [[User:Maromania|Maromania]] ([[User talk:Maromania|talk]]) 09:56, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
-*Note there is also [[Through My Lens]] (a book supposedly authored by "Achraf Baznani") which is currently being considered for speedy deletion --[[User:Tachfin|Tachfin]] ([[User talk:Tachfin|talk]]) 05:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 :: I explained that the article was not promotional, and we discussed it over. Also other contributors expressed on the article as not being "promotional". Actually, an admin. The article is covered by major articles. The book [[Through My Lens]] is a book authored by Achraf Baznani. You (Tachfin) do not have any statement to prove wrong. Is currently featured by magazines (hereinbefore mentioned). [[User:Fevrret|Fevrret]] ([[User talk:Fevrret|talk]]) 18:57, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
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 *'''Keep''' - obviously, yes needs a clean up, but that's not the purpose of AFD. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]])
-*'''Keep''' - The artist is one of the greatest Moroccan photographers <ref>http://www.ufunk.net/photos/inside-my-dreams/</ref> <ref>http://themoroccanist.com/?p=241</ref><ref>http://eindutzendmedien.de/achraf-baznani-meine-kleine-welt/</ref> [[User:Maromania|Maromania]] ([[User talk:Maromania|talk]]) 08:51, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''' I looked at the suggested sources and all that I could see are blog posts (even the CNN one is, and it says: Not verified by CNN). I would suggest getting some more reliable sources. But I do not know what the decision should be about an article in @en.wikipedia if there are no such resources in English. Anyone? [[User:LaMona|LaMona]] ([[User talk:LaMona|talk]]) 15:39, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 :: - LaMona, you can find some reliable sources here: <ref>http://issuu.com/joseantunes/docs/fdjun14web</ref> <ref>http://www.phmag.ca/magazine/imagining-the-impossible/</ref> <ref>http://museemagazine.com/art-2/features/emerging-artist-interview-achraf-baznani/</ref> <ref>http://www.artspace.com/achraf-baznani</ref> <ref>http://getinspiredmagazine.com/featured/achraf-baznani/</ref> <ref>''Interview with Achraf Baznani, Photoshop Creative Magazine'', August 2014, Issue  116, Page 98, ISSN 1747-7816.</ref><ref>''fotoDNG magazine'', Issue  95, Page 77, ISSN 1887-3685.</ref>[[User:Maromania|Maromania]] ([[User talk:Maromania|talk]]) 20:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 :<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Photography|list of Photography-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 00:56, 7 September 2014 (UTC)</small>
+'''Keep''':
-::'''Keep''' notable individual showing significant coverage in independent reliable sources (see references). Artspace (one of the top galleries in New York, USA) owns works by Baznani and he has featured magazines and newspapers across the world. [[WP:ARTIST]]. Quite why the nominator thinks that the sources are not independent.<ref>''Sayidaty Magazine'' – July 2014 – Issue  1741 - Dubai Emirate</ref> <ref>''Master photography magazine UK'' Pages 38-39-40 – May/June 2014 – Volume 11 Issue 1 - ISSN 2042-0234</ref>[[User:Maromania|Maromania]] ([[User talk:Maromania|talk]]) 09:15, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
+* Notable individual showing significant coverage in independent reliable sources (see references). Artspace (one of the top galleries in New York, USA) owns works by Baznani and he has featured magazines and newspapers across the world. [[WP:ARTIST]]. Quite why the nominator thinks that the sources are not independent.
+* You can find more articles and artwork by the artist ({{Find sources|Achraf Baznani}}) ({{Find sources|أشرف بزناني}})
+* The artist is one of the greatest Moroccan photographers <ref>http://www.ufunk.net/photos/inside-my-dreams/</ref> <ref>http://themoroccanist.com/?p=241</ref><ref>http://eindutzendmedien.de/achraf-baznani-meine-kleine-welt/</ref><ref>''Sayidaty Magazine'' – July 2014 – Issue  1741 - Dubai Emirate</ref> <ref>''Master photography magazine UK'' Pages 38-39-40 – May/June 2014 – Volume 11 Issue 1 - ISSN 2042-0234</ref>[[User:Maromania|Maromania]]
+The artist is moroccan, if you (Tachfin) are moroccan<ref>http://www.baznani.com/about-the-artist/</ref> then you can read some newspapers about him in arabic <ref>http://www.baznani.com/press/</ref>
+<ref>http://www.almaghribtoday.net/fjghygj-gefiskcj-geyqhki/2014-02-24-12-51-56.html{{ar icon}}</ref><ref>http://www.alarabonline.org/?id=26386{{ar icon}}</ref><ref>http://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=170421{{ar icon}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=L'expérience photographique d'Achraf Baznani|url=http://www.albayane.press.ma/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22744:de-letrangete-de-la-creation&catid=48:culture&Itemid=123|website=Al Bayane}}{{fr icon}}</ref> ([[User talk:Maromania|talk]]) 09:15, 7 September 2014 (UTC)