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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:08, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mirhuseyn Seyidov

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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This remains valid Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:34, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - He hasn't played in a Fully professional league and he doesn't have any international caps either therefore he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. IJA (talk) 08:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He passes WP:GNG as he has played in the 2012–13 UEFA Europa League group stage which makes him notable as he will have had lots of significant international coverage in the world media. IJA (talk) 19:39, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. According to WP:NFOOTBALL players who have played in a fully professional league are notable. Seyidov played in Neftchi Baku which is a clup of Azerbaijan professional leage. The list of fully professional leagues in WikiProject Football is not completed (It's mentioned there). Azerbaijani football clubs (including Neftchi) play in UEFA European League (even in group stage), which says that Azerbaijan football league is fully professional. --Interfase (talk) 12:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - There is no evidence to suggest that the Azerbaijan football league is fully professional, if you have some evidence, I'll be willing to change my vote. IJA (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- There is evidence. Evidence is that Azerbaijani clubs are able to play in UEFA European League and UEFA Champions League. By the way Neftchi, where Seyidov is played, was the first Azerbaijani club, which played in group stage of UEFA European League 2012/2013 season. Or maybe you think that clubs of non-professional leagues also can play in UEFA European League. of UEFA Champions League? --Interfase (talk) 12:43, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - Of course clubs from non-FULLY-professional leagues can, look at the clubs that take part in the qualifying rounds and compare their nationalities to the list at WP:FPL. Are you saying the San Marino league is fully professional? If you can provide a source stating that all clubs who enter European comptetition must come from FULLY professional leagues, please supply it. Fenix down (talk) 15:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - San Marino clubs didn't played in group stage of any UEFA tournament. --Interfase (talk) 20:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Be that as it may, assuming full professionalism of a league based only on the success of its clubs in other competitions is original research. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        Regardless of whether the Az PL is fully professional or not, let's get back to the topic on hand. Is Mirhuseyn Seyidov deemed notable or not? I'd defiantly say he is due to his appearances in the 2012–13 UEFA Europa League group stage where he has received significant global coverage in the world media. The Az PL may not be fully professional but playing is such a senior stage of the Europa League will give him significant coverage and make him notable per WP:GNG. Discussing whether or not the Az PL is fully pro or not is a discussion for another day. I also may add that WP:NFOOTBALL should be revised to include appearances in the later stages of notable continental competitions. IJA (talk) 22:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG.
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 16:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I think. I'm aware that playing in the qualifying rounds of continental competitions doesn't confer presumption of notability, but as far as I remember, past consensus has been that playing in the tournament proper does. UEFA confirms subject's five appearances in the group stages of the 2012–13 Europa League.
As to GNG, I agree it hasn't been demonstrated, and I don't have the language skills or access to Azerbaijani media to do it myself. But I'd be genuinely surprised if someone with suitable skills, access and interest couldn't find GNG-meeting coverage of a footballer who's played since the age of 16, and played regularly for the past four years, for the first team of the club that's won the Azerbaijani top league three times and its national cup twice in those last four years, plus multiple U21 international appearances.
The subject has a page on three other Wikipedias: the Russian one seems to be the best of the three, and contains at least one source that isn't just a stats page or match report. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep per WP:GNG and league is truly part of EPFL, so it does meet fully-pro.--Nicat49 (talk) 23:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As has been discussed at WT:FPL numerous times, being a member of EPFL is no evidence that the league is fully-professional. Try again. Is the league listed at WP:FPL? No, with good reason - because it's not. Giant Snowman 11:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The reason is bad. This list is incomplete. It is written there. I added Azerbaijan. Because there are two professional football divisions in Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijan Premier League and the Azerbaijan First Division[1] --Interfase (talk) 12:57, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll repeat - there is consensus at the talk page at WT:FPL that EPFL is not a reliable source for including leagues. Giant Snowman 15:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is an absurd. For Austria EPFL is a reliable source, for some countries even their own national associations are reliable (e.g. For Albania), but for Azerbaijan not? I consider your arguments as very weak. According to the existing league Azerbaijan Premier Le

ague is fully professional. --Interfase (talk) 17:13, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes WP:GNG and played in the 2012–13 UEFA Europa League group stage.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 ague is fully professional. --[[User:Interfase|Interfase]] ([[User talk:Interfase|talk]]) 17:13, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' passes [[WP:GNG]] and [http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2013/clubs/club=59890/squad/index.html| played] in the [[2012–13 UEFA Europa League group stage]].[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 19:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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