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Secondly, in c. 1285, he married Marguerite of [[Thourotte]], [[French nobility|Dame]] of [[Offemont]] and Thourotte, daughter of Ansould II of Thourotte [[:de:Thorotte (Adelsgeschlecht)|(de)]] (d.c. 1294) and Jeanne (of [[Abbecourt, Oise|Abbecourt]]{{disambiguation needed|date=May 2013}}?). They had five probable children with descendants: |
Secondly, in c. 1285, he married Marguerite of [[Thourotte]], [[French nobility|Dame]] of [[Offemont]] and Thourotte, daughter of Ansould II of Thourotte [[:de:Thorotte (Adelsgeschlecht)|(de)]] (d.c. 1294) and Jeanne (of [[Abbecourt, Oise|Abbecourt]]{{disambiguation needed|date=May 2013}}?). They had five probable children with descendants: |
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* Jean I of Nesle-Offémont [[:fr:Jean de Nesle-Offémont|(fr)]] (c. 1285 - 1356), [[French nobility|Seigneur]] of [[Offemont]], [[Mello]] (''[[jure uxoris]]'' or inheritance from Marguerite of Mello?) and partly [[Thourotte]]. Governor of Coucy{{disambiguation needed|date=May 2013}}. Jean was a |
* Jean I of Nesle-Offémont [[:fr:Jean de Nesle-Offémont|(fr)]] (c. 1285 - 1356), [[French nobility|Seigneur]] of [[Offemont]], [[Mello]] (''[[jure uxoris]]'' or inheritance from Marguerite of Mello?) and partly [[Thourotte]]. Governor of Coucy{{disambiguation needed|date=May 2013}}. Jean was a counsellor of King [[Philip VI of France|Philip VI]], [[Grand Chamberlain of France]] and [[Great Officers of the Crown of France|Grand Queux of France]] from 1345. In 1347 he was appointed executor of the testament of King [[Philip VI of France|Philip VI]]. He married b.1320 Marguerite, [[French nobility|Dame]] of Mello. About 1326 he married Marguerite of [[La Roche-Guyon]] (c. 1309 - c. 1342), Dame of Vaux{{disambiguation needed|date=May 2013}}, granddaughter of Robert of [[La Roche-Guyon]], Seigneur of Vaux [[:fr:Château de La Roche-Guyon|(fr)]]. (These two wives may actually be the same person, and at least one more wife is mentioned, Béatrice of [[Erquery]].) Jean fathered at least the following three: |
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** [[Guy II de Nesle|Guy II of Nesle]] (c. 1327 - 1352), Seigneur of [[Mello]], [[Marshal of France]], co-founder of the [[Order of the Star (France)|Order of the Star]], fell in the battle of [[Battle of Mauron]] as the French commander. Guy married Jeanne of [[Bruyères]]. They had: |
** [[Guy II de Nesle|Guy II of Nesle]] (c. 1327 - 1352), Seigneur of [[Mello]], [[Marshal of France]], co-founder of the [[Order of the Star (France)|Order of the Star]], fell in the battle of [[Battle of Mauron]] as the French commander. Guy married Jeanne of [[Bruyères]]. They had: |
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*** Jean II of Nesle (1343 - 1388), married Adèle of [[Mailly]], Dame of Acheux{{disambiguation needed|date=May 2013}}. They had Guy III of Nesle, [[Marshal of France]] who was killed in the [[Battle of Azincourt]] 1415. |
*** Jean II of Nesle (1343 - 1388), married Adèle of [[Mailly]], Dame of Acheux{{disambiguation needed|date=May 2013}}. They had Guy III of Nesle, [[Marshal of France]] who was killed in the [[Battle of Azincourt]] 1415. |
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Guy I of Clermont-Nesle Guy Ier de Clermont-Nesle | |
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Seigneur of Ailly and Maulette | |
Reign | 1285-1302 |
Seigneur of Offemont jure uxoris | |
Reign | c.1294-1302 |
Seigneur of Breteuil ? | |
Reign | 1285-1302 |
Born | c. 1255 |
Died | 1302 Kortrijk |
Spouse | Marguerite of Mello Marguerite of Thourotte possibly more |
Issue | Jean I of Nesle-Offémont Alix Mahaut Péronne Raoul IV of Clermont-Nesle ? |
House | House of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis also House of Creil also House of Clermont-Nesle |
Father | Simon II of Clermont |
Mother | Adele of Montfort |
Guy I of Clermont-Nesle (c.1255 – July 11, 1302) was a Marshal of France, Seigneur (Lord) of Offemont jure uxoris, and possibly of Ailly, Maulette and Breteuil. He might have been a Seigneur of Nesle also, or used the title "Sire of Nesle" due to his family. Difficulties about the seigneurie of Breteuil are present, and the status of Ailly and Maulette in relation to Breteuil.
Biography
Guy was the youngest son of Simon II of Clermont (c. 1216 - 1286) by Adele of Montfort (d. 1279), daughter of Amaury VI of Montfort. He had three brothers and at least one sister, whose son was the famous Robert VIII Bertrand (fr), also Marshal of France.
In 1296 he became Marshal of France, when his elder brother Raoul of Clermont, Viscount of Châteaudun and Seigneur of Nesle was already the Constable and Grand Chamberlain of France. The French King Philip "the fair" (1268 - 1314) sent the two brothers to attack the enemy at the Siege of Lille (1297), where they were victorious and took a large number of prisoners. Some descendant to Guy is said have assisted in the conquest of Guyenne by Philip's grandson King Edward III of England (1312 - 1377).[citation needed]
Together with his brother, under Robert II, Count of Artois as commander, he fought in the Franco-Flemish War (1297-1305) against the County of Flanders. In 1302 in the Battle of the Golden Spurs at Kortrijk, the French army was utterly defeated, all three killed and the Flemish regained independence. The brutal, unlawful execution of Walram, Count of Jülich that had surrendered to the French in a previous battle (Furnes 1297) was fiercely avenged on the battlefield.
Marriage and issue
Guy married firstly c. 1268 Marguerite, a daughter probably of Guillaume or Dreux (d. 1249) of Mello (de), Seigneur of Saint-Bris[disambiguation needed]. She was anyway a descendant of Dreux IV of Mello sr. (1137/38 - 1218), but the exact family relations are very difficult to determine.
Secondly, in c. 1285, he married Marguerite of Thourotte, Dame of Offemont and Thourotte, daughter of Ansould II of Thourotte (de) (d.c. 1294) and Jeanne (of Abbecourt[disambiguation needed]?). They had five probable children with descendants:
- Jean I of Nesle-Offémont (fr) (c. 1285 - 1356), Seigneur of Offemont, Mello (jure uxoris or inheritance from Marguerite of Mello?) and partly Thourotte. Governor of Coucy[disambiguation needed]. Jean was a counsellor of King Philip VI, Grand Chamberlain of France and Grand Queux of France from 1345. In 1347 he was appointed executor of the testament of King Philip VI. He married b.1320 Marguerite, Dame of Mello. About 1326 he married Marguerite of La Roche-Guyon (c. 1309 - c. 1342), Dame of Vaux[disambiguation needed], granddaughter of Robert of La Roche-Guyon, Seigneur of Vaux (fr). (These two wives may actually be the same person, and at least one more wife is mentioned, Béatrice of Erquery.) Jean fathered at least the following three:
- Guy II of Nesle (c. 1327 - 1352), Seigneur of Mello, Marshal of France, co-founder of the Order of the Star, fell in the battle of Battle of Mauron as the French commander. Guy married Jeanne of Bruyères. They had:
- Jean II of Nesle (1343 - 1388), married Adèle of Mailly, Dame of Acheux[disambiguation needed]. They had Guy III of Nesle, Marshal of France who was killed in the Battle of Azincourt 1415.
- Marie of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont, married to Raoul VIII Le Flamenc (de), Seigneur of Cany and Varesnes, son of Raoul VII Le Flamenc. They had issue.
- Yolande of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont, married to Colart of Estouteville, Seigneur of Aussebosc and had issue.
- Guillaume I (1332? - 1356). Married Alix of Wavrin and had two known children:
- Robert of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont (d. 1378), Seigneur of Saint-Venant, married Ide of Dormans, Dame of Flory[disambiguation needed] and had issue.
- Guillaume II of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont (1350 - 1407), Seigneur of Sauchoy, married Mahaut, Dame of Goisaucourt and had issue.
- Isabeau/Isabelle of Nesle-Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont (d.c. 1373/77), Dame of Plessis[disambiguation needed]-Cacheleu, married 1350 to Jean of Montmorency (d.c. 1373), Seigneur of Beausault, Breteuil-en-Beauvaisis (de), La Falaise and La Tournelle. Their children:
- Jeanne of Montmorency, married 1380 to Robin/Robert, seigneur of Hellande and Lamberville, and had Guillaume of Hellande (fr) (d. 1462), Bishop of Beauvais. Secondly she married Jean of Raigneval, Seigneur of Maraucourt and Trosnay.
- Marguerite (d. 1434), Abbess of Fontevrault.
- Hugues de Montmorency (d. 1404), Seigneur of Breteuil-en-Beauvaisis, Beaussault, La Falaise, La Tournelle, Châtelain of Nesle and a counsellor of the king. Hugues married Jeanne Blanche of Harcourt, Dame of La Ferté-Imbault, daughter of Guillaume of La Ferté-Imbault. They had about eight children.
- Pierre, Seigneur of Plessis-Cacheleu. Married firstly Marguerite, Dame of Domart-sur-la-Luce and secondly Marie of Quinquampoix, Dame of Hoppelaincourt. He had at least one daughter, Jeanne of Plessis-Cacheleu (d. 1469).
- Antoine, 1417 treasurer of the Cathedral of Beauvais.
- Jean
- Guy II of Nesle (c. 1327 - 1352), Seigneur of Mello, Marshal of France, co-founder of the Order of the Star, fell in the battle of Battle of Mauron as the French commander. Guy married Jeanne of Bruyères. They had:
- Mahaut of Clermont-Nesle, married c.1320 to Bertrand VI of Moreuil (fr) (d.a. 1350), Seigneur of Moreuil and Cœuvres, in 1322 ? made Marshal of France and later Grand Queux of France. One of their children was:
- Péronne/Petronille of Clermont-Nesle (c. 1290 - c. 1320), married c. 1320 to Jean of Chérisy-Quierzy, Seigneur of Muret and Busancy. They had:
- Jeanne of Chérisy, married c. 1345 to Mathieu IV of Roye[disambiguation needed], Seigneur of Beausault and Busancy. They bore:
- Guy III de Roye (c. 1340 - 1409), Bishop of Verdun.
- Jean of Roye (d. 1396), married Jeanne of Béthune, and had issue.
- Jeanne of Chérisy, married c. 1345 to Mathieu IV of Roye[disambiguation needed], Seigneur of Beausault and Busancy. They bore:
- Alix of Clermont-Nesle (c. 1300 - a. 1337), married c.1319 to Jean II of Dampierre (de) (d.a. 1337), Seigneur of Saint-Dizier, Vignory and L’Ecluse, son of Guillaume ("William") IV of Dampierre (1258 - a. 1314), Seigneur of Saint-Dizier, Eureville, Humbécourt and Aurainville, son of Laura of Lorraine and grandson of Matthias II, Duke of Lorraine. Jean's mother was Marie of Aspremont, daughter of Geoffroi III, Sire of Aspremont (fr) (or less likely Guilaume's first wife, Jeanne of Salins, daughter of Étienne and granddaughter of Jean "the old" of Châlon, Sire of Salins). Alix and Jean had three known children:
- Jean (d. 1367/73), Seigneur of Saint-Dizier and Vignory. Married b.1334 Marie of Bar-Pierrepont[disambiguation needed], daughter of Erard of Bar (d. 1335), Seigneur of Pierrepont[disambiguation needed], son of Theobald II, Count of Bar, and her mother was Isabelle of Lorraine, daughter of Theobald II, Duke of Lorraine. Jean and Marie had about six children, including:
- Edouard of Saint-Dizier (d. 1401), Seigneur de Saint-Dizier, de Vignory and Veuilly.
- Isabelle (d. 1371), Dame of Montenois ?. Married Jean of Châtillon-sur-Marne (d.a. 1377), Seigneur of Gandelus and Dury[disambiguation needed], a son of Guillaume IV of Dampierre (de) (1258 - a. 1314).
- Jeanne, married to Jean le Mercier, Seigneur of Noviant-au-Pré. They had:
- Guillemette le Mercier, married to Renaud of Coucy[disambiguation needed] and had issue.
- Jean (d. 1367/73), Seigneur of Saint-Dizier and Vignory. Married b.1334 Marie of Bar-Pierrepont[disambiguation needed], daughter of Erard of Bar (d. 1335), Seigneur of Pierrepont[disambiguation needed], son of Theobald II, Count of Bar, and her mother was Isabelle of Lorraine, daughter of Theobald II, Duke of Lorraine. Jean and Marie had about six children, including:
A possible son, a probable alternative is that his cousin Jean of Tartigny, son of Raoul (II) of Tartigny (d.a. 1243), a brother of Simon II of Clermont, was the father:
- Raoul IV of Clermont-Nesle (c. 1285 - 1321), Seigneur of Montgobert, Thorigny, Ablancourt, Bichancourt and Tartigny. Seigneur of Breteuil/Beausault ? (See note below). Raoul married b. 1310 Jeanne of Chambly (d.a. 1371), Dame of Montgobert, Ablancourt, Fay-aux-Loges and Sotteville-en-Caux, owner of 17 castles, daughter of Pierre VII of Chambly (fr), Seigneur of Viarmes and Thorigny, son of Pierre VI of Chambly (their genealogy is disputed). They had presumably the following children:
- Raoul V of Clermont (c. 1310 - b. 1354), Seigneur of Thorigny and Paillart. Married Isabelle of Boves-Coucy, Dame of Paillart and Tartigny, daughter of Jean of Boves-Coucy.[1]
- Jean I of Clermont aka "Tristan" (c. 1320 - 1356), Seigneur of Chantilly, Villemomble and Beaumont[disambiguation needed], Marshal of France from 1352 (when his cousin Guy II had died). Married Margalide (Marguerite) of Mortagne[disambiguation needed] and Chef-Boutonne, viscountess of Aulnay[disambiguation needed], daughter of Pons/François, viscount of Aulnay, Seigneur of Mortagne. Possibly also married to Jacqueline Quiéret of La Vacquerie.
- Jeanne of Clermont (d.a. 1342), Married Guillaume IV/V Le Bouteiller de Senlis (fr), Seigneur of Chantilly, Montmélian and Moucy-Le-Neuf, without issue.
- Robert of Clermont (d. 1358), Seigneur of Beaumont[disambiguation needed]. No issue.
- Robert of Clermont (d. 1371), Seigneur of Fay-aux-Loges and Sotteville-en-Caux. No issue.
- Marguerite of Clermont (b. 1320), Dame of Montgobert. Married Nicolas III, Seigneur of Menou (1305 - 1356). Issue unknown.
Guillaume I and Jean I died in the disastrous Battle of Poitiers on 19 September 1356, where the French King Jean II "the good" was taken captive together with his son.
Note: The property of Breteuil had been inherited from Valeran III (fr) to his eldest daughter Alix, married to Count Raoul "the red" (fr), and then the youngest, Amicie. When Amicie died in 1226, there seems to have been no obvious legitimate heir and the property went to the French Crown. The same year the property was redeemed with 3000 pounds by "Clémence, wife of Simon of Beausault, and Jeanne of Dargies", assumed to be sisters, in accordance to a previous agreement between Amicie and the king. They are assumed to be relatives within the Clermont family, possibly daughters of Amicie's sister Mathilde or even Amicie herself.[2] The connection with later Seigneurs like presumably Simon, Guy and Raoul is not clear. Several suggestions have been made to resolve the question. Also which distinction should be made between the titles Seigneur of Beausault or Breteuil in this context, and some heir can have one title and others the other in the genealogy. The property may have been divided or the title may have been used honorifically. Another possibility is that either the attribution of Seigneurs of Breteuil to the line of Guy I, or the family relationship is wrong. The Counts of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis belonged to this house of Clermont until the death of Raoul I "the red" (fr) in 1191. His daughter Catherine married Louis I, Count of Blois and their son Theobald VI, Count of Blois sold the County of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis to the French Crown in 1218.
For more about this problem, see Simon II of Clermont.
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References
- Family tree of Clermont-Beauvaisis-Nesle Template:Fr icon
- fr:Maison de Clermont-Nesle Template:Fr icon
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