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::::Pleasure. Looking around, seems I'm justified in thinking that Personal life usually follows Career (and by the way, please use sentence case in article subheadings, no unwarranted capitals). [[User:Rothorpe|Rothorpe]] ([[User talk:Rothorpe|talk]]) 21:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::To the students who are restructuring this article: you can visit [[WP:FA|this link]] to see how to correctly layout a biography. [[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Cassianto</span>]][[User_talk:Cassianto|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:55, 28 September 2014 (UTC) |
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" In 1980, he made a cameo on the film, The Blues Brothers."
I don't think this qualifies as a cameo. The character played by Ray has an appearance of several minutes, gets to say quite a number of lines and even performs a song visualised with a major dance sequence. I'll change that sentence. SchnitteUK (talk) 10:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
General remarks
No mention of Charles playing with Lowell Fulson? 92.6.210.57 (talk) 17:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
This Ray Charles page has a lot of merit, but it also holds some awkward mistakes, and it suffers from numerous omissions. I am an expert. I have tried a few times to edit the text, but never saw my corrections accepted. What do I have to do to get my suggestions for improvements assessed and accepted? bob@result.comBstumpel (talk) 13:07, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- As has already been explained to you on your talk page with a notice in June 2011 as well as the Wikipedia Welcome list of links and articles that concern the how-to of editing Wikipedia, there are standards that need to be adhered to. If you haven't done it yet, do read the list of articles that give tips and advice on how to edit Wikipedia. If you follow those guidelines, your edits are less-likely to be reverted. Thanks for your interested in helping to build the online encyclopedia that is Wikipedia. Lhb1239 (talk) 14:47, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Signature?
The "Signature of Ray Charles" in this article is and SVG file created by a Commons user. Put mildly, it probably isn't Charles' actual handwriting. I am being bold and removing it. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:04, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Photo
The main photo in this article says 'Ray Charles in 2012' which is not possible as he died in 2004 which the article also states. I would consider changing that. I don't know if it's a statue or anything but if it is you could have at least put 'Statue of Ray Charles in 2012' or change the picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.63.113 (talk) 17:23, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Williams?
In Early life, this sentence appears:
>Pit would care for George, Ray's brother, so as to take the burden off Williams.
There is no explanation for what "Williams" refers to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.0.123.98 (talk) 13:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Aretha Williams was RC's mother, according to the cited sources. I tried to make this clear with my edits today. 192.91.171.36 (talk) 22:06, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
death date is incorrect
Ray Charles Robinson (September (FIND SOME WHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), 1930 – September 17, 2004)
It should be June 10, 2004.
Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffcampbell22 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Synthesiser details?
RC is seen on TV in concert playing a keyboard that makes various sounds, one of which perfectly evokes (former Atlantic stablemate) Milt Jackson's vibraphone. Anyone have any details about this? Rothorpe (talk) 19:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Musical note "ev"?
A block quote in the article contains "in the high tenor range of A, B flat, B, C and ev". Don't think "ev" is a musical note. Anybody know and can fix? David F (talk) 18:15, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Charles and Newborn, and Newborn
Allmusic credits Phineas Newborn, Jr. for playing piano at Ray Charles at Newport [1]. That's a mistake, right? Calvin Newborn is also claimed in WP to have collaborated with RC, did he? trespassers william (talk) 01:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Reference to Turdle in Early Life?
What its this reference to Turdle running the cash register? Is that a nickname our someone goofing?174.153.230.222 (talk) 22:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- It was vandalism. Thanks for pointing it out. It has now been corrected. --Onorem (talk) 22:18, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Cornell University Assignment
Proposal
We're a student group at Cornell and will be working to improve the contents of this article. Specifically, we are looking to do a few things. First, we plan to edit the writing of the article to make it clearer and more understandable. We are also looking to restructure the article so the categories are manageable and it is simple to navigate the page. For example, there is a section titled "Georgia" that should not be its own topic. We will be including this in the personal life section of the article. Additionally, we've identified specific topics that could be either expanded or added to the page. Ray Charles has had a significant impact on the modern music and entertainment industries and as young consumers of such industries, we have access to information about impacts on specific artists like Amy Winehouse. We would also like to add information about his role in interracial tensions in the United States, his struggles with substance abuse and his childrens' feud over his legacy and fortune.
We would love input and suggestions from any members of the Wikipedia community who have been working on this page or are knowledgeable about this topic.
This is the link to our class page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program:Cornell_University/Online_Communities_(Fall_2014) Abdavis329 (talk) 18:35, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Specifically regarding his impact on modern music, we recognize that there is already some information in the introduction section. We are looking to expand on this and talk about different artists that have attributed some of their success to Charles or who claim their music has been influenced by his.
Initial Sources
- Harris, J. (2007, Mar 01). Ray charles' music lives on. Arkansas Times Retrieved from http://search.proquest.com.proxy.library.cornell.edu/docview/204812048?accountid=10267
- We plan to use this article to discuss a musical called “I can’t stop loving you” which is about the music of Ray Charles. We plan to include this information in either the legacy section or a new section that we will create about the impact Ray Charles has had on future music and art. Skylerd23 (talk) 02:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Pareles, J. (2004, June 10). Ray Charles, who shaped American music history, dies at 73. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/10/arts/music/10CND-RAY.html
(This is an article about Charles's death and the ways he influenced modern music)
- We plan to use this article to discuss the impact that Ray Charles had on other artist’s music and genres of music. In particular, there is a quote by Joe Levy of the Rolling Stone that highlights this impact. Skylerd23 (talk) 03:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ogunnaike, L. (2004, September 12). Jamie Foxx goes dark to play a musical hero. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/12/movies/moviesspecial/12OGUN.html?_r=1&
- This is an article about the movie Ray starring Jamie Foxx, about the life of Ray Charles.Skylerd23 (talk) 18:53, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- Winski, N. (1994). Ray Charles. Illustrated ed. Los Angeles, CA: Melrose Square Pub. Co. (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/enwiki/w/ray-charles-norman-winski/1112367657?ean=9780870677908)
- A bibliography on Ray Charles that will be a good source for background information and more general topics.
- Lydon, M. (1998). Ray Charles : man and music. New York: Riverhead. (http://www.amazon.com/Ray-Charles-Music-Michael-Lydon/dp/0756758254) (A bibliography on Ray Charles)
- We plan on using Ray Charles: man and music by M. Lydon to explain Ray Charles' struggles with heroin abuse and his experiences growing up with a life-altering handicap.
- Ray, B. (1966). Ray Charles: Rare and classic photos of an American genius [Online Image]. Retrieved from http://life.time.com/icons/ray-charles-rare-and-classic-photos-of-an-american-genius-1966/#1.
- The above image of Ray Charles is of him standing in the driveway of his Los Angeles home with his wife Della and sons Robert, 5, David, 7, and Ray Jr. 11. The quote that goes with the picture is as follows: "I don't need to see them to know what they look like,' he says. 'I know my wife is pretty, and I think my sons are pretty good boys." We would like to add the picture to the Personal Life section, Family sub-section.Abdavis329 (talk) 17:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ray Charles, American legend, dies at 73. (2004, June 11). NPR. Retrieved from http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1947628
- This is an NPR article that discusses Ray Charles and his death and includes some information about his heroin addiction. Skylerd23 (talk) 01:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hiltzik, Michael. (2008, April 20). Ray Charles’ children battle over legacy. Los Angeles Times. Retrieved from http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-raycharles20apr20-story.html#page=1
- This article discusses the legal battle among Ray Charles' children over his legacy and fortune.
Abdavis329 (talk) 09:07, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Second Round of Sources
- Quinn, C. (2013, Jan 10). Ray Charles Foundation recovers unspent money. Retrieved from http://www.ajc.com/news/entertainment/ray-charles-foundation-gets-back-unused-money/nTr6r/?__federated=1
- This article explains the Ray Charles Foundation's goals to properly allocate donations. fr237 (talk) 10:56, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- Pilat, K (2010, September 24). Ray Charles Memorial Library Opens in Las Angeles. Paste Magazine. Retrieved from http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2010/09/the-ray-charles-memorial-library-officially-opens.html
- This article talks about the opening of the official Ray Charles Memorial Library in LA fr237 (talk) 10:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- Haines, E (2012, Feb 14) Ray Charles Foundation wants $3M Gift Back. Associated Press. Retrieved from http://www.today.com/id/46389296/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/ray-charles-foundation-demands-m-gift-back/
- This article explains how the State University of New York at Albany kept Foundation donations for a decade without proper spending. fr237 (talk) 10:59, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- Masnick, M (2012, April 3) Ray Charles' Foundation Sues His Own Children In Copyright Fight. TechDirt News. Retrieved from https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120402/17343218338/ray-charles-foundation-sues-his-own-children-copyright-fight.shtml
- This article explains the fight between Family and Foundation fr237 (talk) 11:04, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- Heard, C(2005, Feb 14) Lasting Influence of Ray Charles. BBC News. Retrieved from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3797311.stm
- This article explains the influence of Ray Charles on modern today pop culture and society as a whole fr237 (talk) 11:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- Looks like you've got some good sources there. But please make sure everything you add is notable. Rothorpe (talk) 19:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Legacy Block Quote
I removed the second paragraph of the block quote in the legacy section because the quote was too long for readability and the second paragraph did not add much about Charles' legacy. The information in that paragraph was more about his musical style. Skylerd23 (talk) 22:16, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Restructure
I adjusted the structure of the article so that all the "life" information is together instead of scattered across early life and personal life with career in between those two section. Skylerd23 (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- You had Death before Career. I don't thnk that's normal for biographies on Wikipedia. Rothorpe (talk) 20:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- No problem. I'm going to make the structural change again but with death as a section after Career. Does that work? Skylerd23 (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes. Deaths normally follow careers. Rothorpe (talk) 21:11, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- I made the edit. Let me know if there are still any issues with it. Thanks for helping us out! Skylerd23 (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Pleasure. Looking around, seems I'm justified in thinking that Personal life usually follows Career (and by the way, please use sentence case in article subheadings, no unwarranted capitals). Rothorpe (talk) 21:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- To the students who are restructuring this article: you can visit this link to see how to correctly layout a biography. Cassiantotalk 21:55, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Pleasure. Looking around, seems I'm justified in thinking that Personal life usually follows Career (and by the way, please use sentence case in article subheadings, no unwarranted capitals). Rothorpe (talk) 21:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- I made the edit. Let me know if there are still any issues with it. Thanks for helping us out! Skylerd23 (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes. Deaths normally follow careers. Rothorpe (talk) 21:11, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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