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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning_Policy/Workshop#Proposed_findings_of_fact_3 This] should be ready to unhat. Let me know if there's anything more I need to do. Thank you for your patience. Regards, —[[User:Neotarf|Neotarf]] ([[User talk:Neotarf|talk]]) 09:31, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning_Policy/Workshop#Proposed_findings_of_fact_3 This] should be ready to unhat. Let me know if there's anything more I need to do. Thank you for your patience. Regards, —[[User:Neotarf|Neotarf]] ([[User talk:Neotarf|talk]]) 09:31, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
== Workshop Page ==

Can you please go and review the accusations Neotarf is making on this page, literally most of it is completely unrelated to this case and damn near all of it is without any diffs and is accusing people not even involved with this case of misconduct. I feel the need to defend myself but I also think it's something that is going to cloud the issue too. Can you please review and moderate, I'm going to log out a while because I really don't want to pop off but a lot of the shit they are posting is so misrepresented it's not funny. [[User:Hell in a Bucket|Hell in a Bucket]] ([[User talk:Hell in a Bucket|talk]]) 03:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

:Can you also close this down [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning_Policy/Workshop#Provocative_and_offensive_language]] there are no diffs, no one has linked to naked women, called anyone any names, etc. [[User:Hell in a Bucket|Hell in a Bucket]] ([[User talk:Hell in a Bucket|talk]]) 22:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

:I will need to be able to go through and explain the context of the recently added material. How long will I have to respond? [[User:Hell in a Bucket|Hell in a Bucket]] ([[User talk:Hell in a Bucket|talk]]) 02:38, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
::You'll need to ask that on the workshop talk page and ping the drafting arbitrators (listed in the header). They're in charge of the deadlines for the case. Regards, <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 02:40, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

== Reopened SPI? ==

I noticed you reopened the PiCo SPI. Thanks for doing that, but I'm not sure if/how to proceed. I do think there is a good chance someone is socking right now on [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Gospel_of_Matthew_discussion_02|WP:DRN]]. ''"First century" is too vague....'' (PiCo) '''--''' ''I agree with PiCo - "first century" is far too vague''. (StAnselm) However it's hard to show conclusive evidence for long-time contributors -- simply agreeing with each other on something oddly specific. Since the IP activity was stale, do I have a path forward here? '''[[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]]'''[[User_talk:Andrevan|@]] 20:14, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:Having gone through the evidence I don't think that there is a strong case for [[WP:ILLEGIT|abusive sockpuppetry]] and as there isn't a policy against [[Wikipedia:Editing logged out|editing while logged out]] I don't think there is a case for sanctions regarding that either (I can't see an attempt to "actively try to deceive other editors"). <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 02:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

== TheTimesAreAChanging, warned for edit warring, using specious analysis to block rebuttal to imbalanced article POV ==

Hello. You warned this person for his/her behavior in the Dreamcast topic in February, and I feel this person, with the backing of two others, is blocking the addition of useful content in the Atari Jaguar page. Moreover, an editor in 2011 found fault with the same thing I have been trying to correct, as is indicated in Talk.

TheTimesAreAChanging created an entry in Talk called "Recent IP edit" just recently. The convolution of demands now includes that a directly relevant appraisal of the worst video game console controllers ever made specifically include the Atari Jaguar in order to be cited, even though, by not being included, it is clear that other designs were considered worse by the article's author, a fact that is directly relevant as a rebuttal to the complaint included in the Wikipedia Atari Jaguar article. Moreover, the article also supports the rebuttal that the phone keypad design feature was used on other prior systems, which casts doubt upon relying heavily upon the Jaguar controller's inclusion of that feature as evidence of it being "the worst ever".

Three editors seem intent on maintaining the current imbalance on the page, characterized by the inclusion of three separate criticisms of the controller (one of which is a photo of a controller with a critical caption). The IGN editor's analysis is simply faulty. There have been worse designs, such as the controller of the Mattel Intellivision and the controller of the Atari 5200, both of which are included in the critical article "The Worst Video Game Controllers Ever Designed" that I cited and which TheTimesAreAChanging and others are refusing to allow, after I removed three other sources that received other complaints.

The other article is by Ronald Diemicke and one of the three editors said the source, due to it being [[MobyGames]] can't be used. Despite that, the article does include the Jaguar controller (thus satisfying the three editors' -- in my view obstructionist -- objection to the Gerry article) and yet ranks three other controllers higher in the list of "worst ever" designs. His choice for the worst controller ever is a very logical one.

I fail to see why so much energy is being put into blocking even the smallest attempt to correct the imbalance in the Jaguar's controller criticism, but I suspect it is a similar case vis-a-vis the aforementioned Dreamcast edit war. Comments critical of the controller criticism imbalance from 2012 on the Talk page were on the flaming side. However, an editor named Andrew1718 removed the IGN editor's complaint about the controller in 2011, arguing that the analysis was not well-supported ("I removed the bunk about the Jaguar having the 'worst controller' ever". So, I am hardly the only person who has found fault with the exaggerated criticism of the controller. The inclusion of the flawed appraisal of the IGN editor with no counterpoint is bad enough, but then there are two more criticisms of the controller in the same Wikipedia article!

Thank you for reading this. I am sorry to both you with what should not be something that has taken so many hours of time already. I really would appreciate it if you could look into this, since it is a longstanding unresolved problem with a Wikipedia page. Thank you. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.133.12.52|69.133.12.52]] ([[User talk:69.133.12.52|talk]]) 22:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Can you merge 2 SPI reports for me? ==

Okay starting here: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mjnichols]], then there seems to be one though that seems to be connected to that user though as he did the same pages [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HaroldSalasI/Archive]]. So yeah it just got confusing and I need someone to merge these, thanks! [[User:Wgolf|Wgolf]] ([[User talk:Wgolf|talk]]) 03:02, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{done}}. {{ping|Wgolf}} Could you please supply some diffs of similar behaviour between the accounts. Thanks, <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 03:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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Why was not it indef blocked? It has been vandalising since 2010 and it's obvious they can't be trusted. Luxure (talk) 07:39, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

See WP:IPBLENGTH. As IPs are used by various users and can be reassigned to completely different people we almost never block them indefinitely. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 07:41, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. Thanks anyway. Luxure (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Banning Policy case

This should be ready to unhat. Let me know if there's anything more I need to do. Thank you for your patience. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 09:31, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Workshop Page

Can you please go and review the accusations Neotarf is making on this page, literally most of it is completely unrelated to this case and damn near all of it is without any diffs and is accusing people not even involved with this case of misconduct. I feel the need to defend myself but I also think it's something that is going to cloud the issue too. Can you please review and moderate, I'm going to log out a while because I really don't want to pop off but a lot of the shit they are posting is so misrepresented it's not funny. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Can you also close this down [[1]] there are no diffs, no one has linked to naked women, called anyone any names, etc. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I will need to be able to go through and explain the context of the recently added material. How long will I have to respond? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 02:38, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
You'll need to ask that on the workshop talk page and ping the drafting arbitrators (listed in the header). They're in charge of the deadlines for the case. Regards, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 02:40, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Reopened SPI?

I noticed you reopened the PiCo SPI. Thanks for doing that, but I'm not sure if/how to proceed. I do think there is a good chance someone is socking right now on WP:DRN. "First century" is too vague.... (PiCo) -- I agree with PiCo - "first century" is far too vague. (StAnselm) However it's hard to show conclusive evidence for long-time contributors -- simply agreeing with each other on something oddly specific. Since the IP activity was stale, do I have a path forward here? Andrevan@ 20:14, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Having gone through the evidence I don't think that there is a strong case for abusive sockpuppetry and as there isn't a policy against editing while logged out I don't think there is a case for sanctions regarding that either (I can't see an attempt to "actively try to deceive other editors"). Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 02:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

TheTimesAreAChanging, warned for edit warring, using specious analysis to block rebuttal to imbalanced article POV

Hello. You warned this person for his/her behavior in the Dreamcast topic in February, and I feel this person, with the backing of two others, is blocking the addition of useful content in the Atari Jaguar page. Moreover, an editor in 2011 found fault with the same thing I have been trying to correct, as is indicated in Talk.

TheTimesAreAChanging created an entry in Talk called "Recent IP edit" just recently. The convolution of demands now includes that a directly relevant appraisal of the worst video game console controllers ever made specifically include the Atari Jaguar in order to be cited, even though, by not being included, it is clear that other designs were considered worse by the article's author, a fact that is directly relevant as a rebuttal to the complaint included in the Wikipedia Atari Jaguar article. Moreover, the article also supports the rebuttal that the phone keypad design feature was used on other prior systems, which casts doubt upon relying heavily upon the Jaguar controller's inclusion of that feature as evidence of it being "the worst ever".

Three editors seem intent on maintaining the current imbalance on the page, characterized by the inclusion of three separate criticisms of the controller (one of which is a photo of a controller with a critical caption). The IGN editor's analysis is simply faulty. There have been worse designs, such as the controller of the Mattel Intellivision and the controller of the Atari 5200, both of which are included in the critical article "The Worst Video Game Controllers Ever Designed" that I cited and which TheTimesAreAChanging and others are refusing to allow, after I removed three other sources that received other complaints.

The other article is by Ronald Diemicke and one of the three editors said the source, due to it being MobyGames can't be used. Despite that, the article does include the Jaguar controller (thus satisfying the three editors' -- in my view obstructionist -- objection to the Gerry article) and yet ranks three other controllers higher in the list of "worst ever" designs. His choice for the worst controller ever is a very logical one.

I fail to see why so much energy is being put into blocking even the smallest attempt to correct the imbalance in the Jaguar's controller criticism, but I suspect it is a similar case vis-a-vis the aforementioned Dreamcast edit war. Comments critical of the controller criticism imbalance from 2012 on the Talk page were on the flaming side. However, an editor named Andrew1718 removed the IGN editor's complaint about the controller in 2011, arguing that the analysis was not well-supported ("I removed the bunk about the Jaguar having the 'worst controller' ever". So, I am hardly the only person who has found fault with the exaggerated criticism of the controller. The inclusion of the flawed appraisal of the IGN editor with no counterpoint is bad enough, but then there are two more criticisms of the controller in the same Wikipedia article!

Thank you for reading this. I am sorry to both you with what should not be something that has taken so many hours of time already. I really would appreciate it if you could look into this, since it is a longstanding unresolved problem with a Wikipedia page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.12.52 (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Can you merge 2 SPI reports for me?

Okay starting here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mjnichols, then there seems to be one though that seems to be connected to that user though as he did the same pages Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HaroldSalasI/Archive. So yeah it just got confusing and I need someone to merge these, thanks! Wgolf (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

 Done. @Wgolf: Could you please supply some diffs of similar behaviour between the accounts. Thanks, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 03:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)