User talk:24.201.216.214

August 2014

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Tip

Hi,

If you plan to create other music examples, you should rather create it on audiotool like this track. A track created on this DAW is editable by anybody using the source project instead of editing a flat recording. It's like using a flat .png instead of a .svg . Ftiercel (talk) 07:34, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I appreciate the tip, but just to derive on the matter, I'm not always connected to the internet (whereas your example requires a browser); I'm not really comfortable around other DAW that I'm not familiar with, especially if they're free; I don't see the point of other individuals editing my projects, WP is one thing, but having others modify what I deliberately take hours to do... I don't know, I don't feel ready for it; Why would I want to upload full-size tracks to WP? This website isn't SoundCloud or YouTube, the only music created by DAW that should be here is only for educational purposes (same as with people who post ejaculation videos... Must I point you to what sites they belong?). Thanks, 24.201.216.214 (talk) 09:40, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Putin khuilo!

Neither of the sources you added are reliable for Wikipedia articles. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Meh. They were reliable enough in Russian Wikipedia. If you want things like The Guardian or, better yet, RussiaToday, we both know well this won't happen. That's a shame though, because the topic of the chant being practically banned in Russia is quite interesting, and if I were you, I wouldn't just up and remove everything another editor took hours to muster, without proposing to discuss it on the Talk page first. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 04:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Nvm, I replied to you at your talk. I thought we'd dicuss this like humans, but if you want to spit on other users' work, so be it. We'll discuss it differently. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 04:47, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

October 2014

Hello, I'm Seaphoto. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Putin khuilo!, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Seaphoto^Talk 04:52, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did to Putin khuilo!, without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Read reliable sources. A reddit comment is about as far as you can get. NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:04, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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Okay, how is this source reliable: http://samlib.ru/m/muratow_s_w/bukva.shtml? 24.201.216.214 (talk) 05:08, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't see it in the article so I assume its not. Sorry. By the way, I am from Moscow, Russia feel free to ask me questions. I will be glad to help. I do however need to warn you, that refs like RIA Novosti and other Russian language sources aren't welcome in English Wikipedia unless they are provided in English as well.--Mishae (talk) 04:49, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, this is ridiculous because even the Timeline of the war in Donbass has an overbearing number of Russian and Ukrainian sources, and I wouldn't say they aren't "welcome" there. Sometimes, there is no way to provide translation, and I think you know that too. About that source, it pointы to the creation of the "x&#774" letter in the "Language and meaning" section. See reference 8. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 05:55, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

O.K. I got it, it have something to do with the description of the letters and its reliable per Samizdat Magazine which is a Russian self published magazine. Since English-speakers don't know what Samizdat means they assume its reliable, go figure. My guess is is that its very difficult to find a reliable source for letters. English Wikipedia also have restriction on various magazines such as Us Weekly, People, and Daily Mail, yet they sometimes use it because there is no alternative. As far as Russian and Ukrainian sources go, I think you didn't read my last line which says that "unless they are provided in English as well", meaning that its O.K. to use them, but you need to provide secondary source or third party source in Enlish to varify what the Russian language source is saying. Does this help you at all?--Mishae (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I read you loud and clear, matter of fact, and that's why I said with maybe a hint of sarcasm that those who wish the sources to be in English will have to translate them. So the "backup" theory is not always working, and in fact in most cases, editors who don't read Russian or Ukrainian simply presume the others act in good faith (which, in its turn, won't mean that they always don't either). One thing I've remarked after being an editor on WP for about 8 years now, is that if you keep pushing a source through, by changing the wording in-article, it might eventually make it. =) 24.201.216.214 (talk) 17:01, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, this might work on Russian Wikipedia, but I am dubious if it works here. Somebody tried to push their POV (actually patents) on Russian WP on Steve Jobs, that didn't flew well.--Mishae (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't think we understand each other. You keep replying to me with points I've never brought up in first place. For instance, providing a source of clear transparency into the project, simply written in another language, is completely different from insisting on putting one's POV in an article. In the former case, we would be dealing with ambiguity in what is RS and what is not (like my case at the top of this discussion), whereas in the latter, we would have a case of NPOV breach which might actually lead to vandalism. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 19:22, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure, so what's the argument then?--Mishae (talk) 19:48, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I think I made it clear in the very beginning, WADR. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 20:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, I got the point. You seek respect? Let me be clear and honest here. I was in the same boat as you are now, and I can understand your feelings about your edits. Some editors like when someone adds material, others may not. Its a vicious cicle that exists outside of Wikipedia too, so I don't think you should hold a grudge against any user here. Just because user RGloucester is busy with something and you have a problem doesn't mean that he should stop his stuff (if its right) and go and help you out. You have plenty of other editors here (like myself) that will help people like yourself (even if you are an IP).

Why are you telling me this? I have been to Wikipedia for 8 years and have at least 5 different accounts. I considered creating the 6th one for a short period of time, but spending this much time... Nah, I prefer those having no decency defecating on me for the simple fact of me "being an IP" and them not (remark that elsewhere in the internet, we all have equal browsing rights, so at the start this is already stupid). 24.201.216.214 (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Here is my example: I came here in September or November 2009 and created my first article, which is surprise, surprise, was about a Russian video game. So, O.K. you might say that I probably knew what RS is, but I didn't. I started out with articles that require the least amount or where RSs are scarce. Such examples will be video games, movies (esopecially foreign language), and various plants and animals. I too then strugled with what is considered to be an RS and what's not. For example later on I discovered that while Biolib.cz is a nice source about endemic fauna of Czech Republic and Slovakia, it is far not RS. Somebody then explained to me that Fauna Europaea is the best fit when it comes to European fauna. Currently I work on biographies and have no issue with RSs. By the way, what are you trying to put there that they are so against? Will be glad to help.--Mishae (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't know who is "all" and why should they be "against". Read the Talk:War in Donbass and my section added there, I think it will come much clearer to you why I think the current RS policy on articles touching shaky political topics blows major wind through the nose. 24.201.216.214 (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)