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::[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Apologies but I undid your edit. This has been discussed before and it ultimately proved impossible to source reliably. The subject's reps have also contacted [[WP:OTRS|OTRS]] asking that this be removed as untrue (which makes sense because you will not find a single statement by him or his wife to this effect). Of course if [[User:La-via-lattea]] or anyone else has such a source, I'm sure we can take a look at it. <span style="color:red; font-size: smaller; font-weight: bold;">§[[User:FreeRangeFrog|<span style="color:#00CA00">FreeRangeFrog</span>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:FreeRangeFrog|croak]]</sup> 04:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC) |
::[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Apologies but I undid your edit. This has been discussed before and it ultimately proved impossible to source reliably. The subject's reps have also contacted [[WP:OTRS|OTRS]] asking that this be removed as untrue (which makes sense because you will not find a single statement by him or his wife to this effect). Of course if [[User:La-via-lattea]] or anyone else has such a source, I'm sure we can take a look at it. <span style="color:red; font-size: smaller; font-weight: bold;">§[[User:FreeRangeFrog|<span style="color:#00CA00">FreeRangeFrog</span>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:FreeRangeFrog|croak]]</sup> 04:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:::thanks, that's my bad! should have done a bit more research first, i suppose. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] [[[User talk:Boomur|☎]]] 20:54, 21 December 2013 (UTC) |
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This page is locked down. I wanted to link the first mention of Jay-Z's book to the wikipedia article on it. Someone with power should make that happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.183.13.16 (talk) 20:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Purported name change
I removed the "Knowles" from the subject's name. The reference given was a slideshow on HuffPo, which sourced the bit about this person to this, which in turn says A source told the Daily Star newspaper.... The Daily Star being this, which is unacceptable per WP:BLPSOURCES. This is how gossip loops are started, and often we are responsible for propagating them. This should stay off the article. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 18:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- If you look into the archive, I already explained that to someone a while ago. I guess they're back. Teammm talk
email 03:11, 3 July 2013 (UTC)- If it gets to be a problem just report it to WP:BLP/N. I have it on my watchlist but I might miss it. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 19:21, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 18 July 2013
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I would like to request that the editors please change this artist's name from "Jay-Z" to "Jay Z". He has officially removed the hyphen from his name. In support my request, please see [1], [2], [3] and [4].
Thank You, Richard
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Requested move (2013)
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The result of the move request was: no move (yet). -- tariqabjotu 15:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Jay-Z → Jay Z – Numerous reports from reliable sources (NME magazine, MTV) today that the artist known as Jay-Z wishes to drop the hyphen, in future being known as Jay Z. This move is non-controversial, but the article is move-locked to non-admins, so I've added this request. -- Marek.69 talk 22:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed, we should move this pronto. It's been the subject of sharing and discussion all day on the Internet.[5] --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 22:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- Support move to Jay Z. Many reliable sources now confirm this.[6][7][8] --Marek.69 talk 22:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- Wait! Just because a press release has received a lot press does not necessarily mean it will become "the name by which the subject is most commonly known" (WP:FULLNAME). WP:COMMONNAME states: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." See also: WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Moving the article pre-emptively without waiting for reliable sources to adopt the new name verges on crystal balling. —sroc 💬 02:03, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose - Definitely not the WP:COMMONNAME. A note about the new stylization can be mentioned in the lead, but the article title should remain "Jay-Z" no matter how he wants to style it. STATic message me! 07:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose, per WP:COMMONNAME. A bit too soon to move the article so preemptively. I understand that the hyphen has apparently been dropped by Jay-Z and that there's a respectable amount of media coverage about it, but the more well-known stylization still includes the hyphen. Holiday56 (talk) 10:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- According to the Guardian article[8] Jay Z dropped the hyphen in 2009 on The Blueprint 3, but "...no one seems to have noticed," -- Marek.69 talk 17:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Not yet - Let's make sure this isn't going to be ignored like the Snoop Lion name change was. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 17:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Support move to JAY Z[9] not Jay Z.--Launchballer 18:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know about Jay Z but JAY Z definitely wouldn't ever be the common name. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 19:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, that's what the BBC says and, being from Britain, I trust them wholeheartedly.--Launchballer 20:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Wikipedia does not blindly follow whatever the BBC says. —sroc 💬 00:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, that's what the BBC says and, being from Britain, I trust them wholeheartedly.--Launchballer 20:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know about Jay Z but JAY Z definitely wouldn't ever be the common name. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 19:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose any of the suggested moves, as the most common styling remains Jay-Z. WikiRedactor (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Support Let's keep this article factually accurate. This cannot be compared to Snoop Dogg -> Snoop Lion, as has been done by editors above, as it's a stylisation change and not a complete change of name. UKWikiGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:38, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- It is comparable. Both are changes that affect their names. In both cases, we need to wait and see whether or not the change takes hold. Wikipedia reacts to, and does not pre-empt, what happens in the real world, not press releases. —sroc 💬 00:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- It is in no way comparable. Changes of name are entirely different from complete changes of stylisation. Please also note that the hyphen is only used by some media outlets anyway, this recent change is just him acknowledging this is how his name should be. UKWikiGuy (talk) 11:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- It is the same thing, and way too soon to be acting on and changing the name. See WP:COMMONNAME even with a google search of "Jay Z", the majority of reliable sources still use the hyphen. Do not start crying ownership when someone disagrees with you. STATic message me! 11:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but leaving a warning template on my talk page for changing the article smacks of article ownership. I made a single edit and broke not one Wikipedia rule. I suggest you read WP:PA and WP:AGF before responding to me, here or on the talk page, again. UKWikiGuy (talk) 14:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- He did not warn you or leave any template, he just asked you nicely to discuss the edit. You might wanna see WP:OWN for the definition of that. As far as I can tell he has hardly ever even edited the article, you are just taking it way too personal. No one is making any type of personal attacks, which is pretty obvious so stop making accusations. STATic message me! 15:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but leaving a warning template on my talk page for changing the article smacks of article ownership. I made a single edit and broke not one Wikipedia rule. I suggest you read WP:PA and WP:AGF before responding to me, here or on the talk page, again. UKWikiGuy (talk) 14:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- It is the same thing, and way too soon to be acting on and changing the name. See WP:COMMONNAME even with a google search of "Jay Z", the majority of reliable sources still use the hyphen. Do not start crying ownership when someone disagrees with you. STATic message me! 11:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- It is in no way comparable. Changes of name are entirely different from complete changes of stylisation. Please also note that the hyphen is only used by some media outlets anyway, this recent change is just him acknowledging this is how his name should be. UKWikiGuy (talk) 11:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- It is comparable. Both are changes that affect their names. In both cases, we need to wait and see whether or not the change takes hold. Wikipedia reacts to, and does not pre-empt, what happens in the real world, not press releases. —sroc 💬 00:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Per all of the above comments. In any case, I think (although this is only my take on it and constitutes OR, so please don't take it as fact) that Joe Levy and the journalists who read his tweet may have misinterpreted the information he was given. Jay-Z has been labelled on various music stores as JAY Z for several years now yet no one batted an eyelid, and various reliable sources have happily reported his name as Jay-Z. Quite why his label is reporting that he has dropped the hyphen now, considering that they decide how his music is labelled, and no one has requested a change since his labelling changed, is a mystery. It seems to be as if, say, there is a black cat in a completely white room that everyone can see but no one says that it's there – and only now has someone said that the cat is there. Excuse the analogy, but I'm trying to say that he has been labelled like this for a while and it's only now that someone has said "hey, his label is labelling things differently!" that people are saying a change is necessary. (The album cover for Magna Carta... Holy Grail, meanwhile, could not have been less helpful in sorting out this issue, considering the position of the black stripe.) I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 14:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- The correct phrase is elephant in the room. This controversy is exactly why the stripe is there; to help fan the flames. From a cynical point of view, this is exactly why that album is at #1. What I will say is this; if they have labelled it on music stores for so long, why aren't we? Either he is intending to change it permanently, in which we need to wait for a bit (actions speak louder than words) or he is planning on using the terms interchangeably, in which case we have a bit of a problem. Either way; the change has been announced, so (in my opinion at least) we need to react to it.--Launchballer 16:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- However, we do not just act on a whim when artists make stylization changes to their names. I am extremely positive that most reliable sources in the article and online use "Jay-Z" rather than "Jay Z". Even after the announcement some sources still use "Jay-Z" which as of today is the clear WP:COMMONNAME. It is kind of interesting though that iTunes changed every "Jay-Z" album to "JAY Z" and his name has been billed as JAY Z since his featurings on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Still though, Jay-Z is the most easily recognizable common name for the artist. STATic message me! 18:23, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- It's not really a whim. I call it the straw that broke the camel's back.--Launchballer 23:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- However, we do not just act on a whim when artists make stylization changes to their names. I am extremely positive that most reliable sources in the article and online use "Jay-Z" rather than "Jay Z". Even after the announcement some sources still use "Jay-Z" which as of today is the clear WP:COMMONNAME. It is kind of interesting though that iTunes changed every "Jay-Z" album to "JAY Z" and his name has been billed as JAY Z since his featurings on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Still though, Jay-Z is the most easily recognizable common name for the artist. STATic message me! 18:23, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- The correct phrase is elephant in the room. This controversy is exactly why the stripe is there; to help fan the flames. From a cynical point of view, this is exactly why that album is at #1. What I will say is this; if they have labelled it on music stores for so long, why aren't we? Either he is intending to change it permanently, in which we need to wait for a bit (actions speak louder than words) or he is planning on using the terms interchangeably, in which case we have a bit of a problem. Either way; the change has been announced, so (in my opinion at least) we need to react to it.--Launchballer 16:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose For now. As pointed out above, this is a press release or whatever, no indication that it will stick. Rightly so, Wikipedia reacts, not preempts. Let's just make a note of it in the article and wait a while. I typically !vote on move requests to match the artist's preferred naming convention but it's too soon IMO to make a call on this one. In any case, there's no difference right now between Wikipedia and the myriad of other sources that use the previous stylization. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 21:18, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- Support. I'd usually oppose, but the name change isn't much of a different. He just removed a hyphen. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 18:30, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
- It should be noted that while the media is reporting that removing the hyphen is new, it isn't. It wasn't used back in 2011 for Watch the Throne either. And iTunes has had without the hyphen for as long as I can remember. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 18:34, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Per WP:COMMONNAME, his name has been spelled with a hyphen through most of his career, a recent change is not enough to establish it as the most commonly used one. 2Flows (talk) 22:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose per Marcus Qwertyus. Let's see if reliable sources consistently ditch the hyphen going forward. A batch of recent news articles about his announcement isn't much to go by. Only time will tell if Snoop Lion or Metta World Peace is the better analog. --BDD (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
See also
Whatever the result of the above, please also keep an eye on related articles such as:
- Jay-Z discography
- List of awards and nominations received by Jay-Z
- Jay-Z–Nas feud
- The Black Album (Jay-Z album)
- Jay-Z: Unplugged
- Glory (Jay-Z song)
- Kingdom Come (Jay-Z album)
- Unfinished Business (Jay-Z and R. Kelly album)
- and so on. —sroc 💬 08:45, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Note that the titles of pre-existing works such as Jay-Z: Unplugged will not change retrospectively even if his name subsequently does. —sroc 💬 00:39, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Don't Believe the Hyphen: Jay-Z Would Like to Be Called Jay Z Now". Spin magazine. Retrieved 18 July 2013.
- ^ "Jay Z Drops Hyphen From Name". Business Insider. Retrieved 18 July 2013.
- ^ "Tweet #357687609000083457 from @RealJoeLevy". Twitter. Retrieved 18 July 2013.
- ^ "The Artist Formerly Known as Jay-Z Removes Hyphen From His Name". Pitchfork Media. Retrieved 18 July 2013.
- ^ "Jay-Z Joins To-Day and Ice-Cream in the Hyphen Graveyard". The Atlantic. Retrieved Friday, 19th July 2013.
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(help) - ^ "Jay Z officially drops the hyphen from his name". NME.com. IPC Media Entertainment Network. Retrieved 2013-07-18.
- ^ "MTV: Jay-Z Officially Drops Hyphen To Become Jay Z". MTV. Viacom International Inc. Retrieved 2013-07-18.
- ^ a b Michaels, Sean (19 July 2013). "Jay-Z to become Jay Z in massively disrespectful move against hyphens". The Guardian. Retrieved 2013-07-19.
- ^ "JAY Z changes the spelling of his name and drops hyphen". BBC Newsbeat. Retrieved Friday, 19th July 2013.
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Edit request on 19 July 2013
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Hello, due to the recent change of "Jay-Z being changed to "Jay Z" (hyphen being removed), I feel it is required to help other users by editing out all hyphens associated in the article.
cheers 109.154.239.94 (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
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- JAY Z is the factually correct way of spelling his name. There is no need to attain consensus amongst editors as it is widely reported as factual. A simple google search will help you understand. UKWikiGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- No. Wikipedia goes by the WP:COMMONNAME used by reliable sources. At present, most reliable sources still refer to him as "Jay-Z", except for making reference to this latest story. Things may change if "Jay Z" or "JAY Z" becomes the mainstream way his name is used in reliable sources, but it isn't yet and Wikipedia does not pre-empt what may or may not happen. Refer to the #Requested move discussion above and do not push for this change in the article until a consensus is reached. —sroc 💬 01:11, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
- "... factually correct ... a simple google search ..." -- ROTFLMAO! It's nice to see someone with a sense of humor. Oh, wait ... you weren't joking, were you. Well, it's still hilarious. -- 71.102.128.42 (talk) 04:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Rolling Stone greatest albums
Looking at the Rolling Stone list, I found that The Black Album is also listed at No. 349, but is not mentioned in the article's intro.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 09:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- Unless you mean the Black Album's article, its omission is justified.--Launchballer 09:57, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Beyonce Knowles listed as "spouse"
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Spouse: Beyonce Knowles 99.185.57.215 (talk) 21:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. The article already says he is married to her. RudolfRed (talk) 21:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Decoded book assault charge reference
In his book Decoded, Jay-Z addresses his assault case. While he didn't apologize for his actions, he did express regret that the incident happened and attributed it to a loss of control, saying that there was no reason for him to get into a situation that put him and people who depended on him at risk. He also vowed to never get involved in a similar situation again.[citation needed]
This is referenced in the book on pages 160 through 166. The last sentence there is found nearly verbatim om page 166.
Bendorfm (talk) 17:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Jay Z not Jay-Z
He changed his name to "Jay Z" (just Google "jay z hyphen" or something and you'll see), so someone should go through and remove the hyphen from every page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.177.252 (talk) 06:02, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
- See the requested move above and WP:COMMONNAME, Wikipedia does not change/adjust itself to artists preference. STATic message me! 06:14, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 23 September 2013
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At the top, second paragraph ... "has a minority stake in NBA's Brooklyn Nets" should be removed.
Jay-Z no longer has a minority stake in NBA's Brooklyn Nets.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9633845/jason-kidd-buy-stake-brooklyn-nets-jay-z
Hadron33 (talk) 07:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Done STATic message me! 14:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Alternative hip hop
Isn't he one of the alternative hip hop rappers alongside Kayne West? 31.59.63.124 (talk) 01:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Name change.
Apparently he's dropped the hyphen between Jay and Z according to this article.
http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/jay-z-kanye-watch-the-throne-2.html Bumblebritches57 (talk) 03:35, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Please see the discussions above for more information on why the article title remains Jay-Z. STATic message me! 03:58, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Associated Acts: Coldplay
Coldplay should be listed as an associated act. They two have recorded music together, and held a joint concert on December 31, 2012 at Barclays Center. In addition, Jay Z and Chris Martin are well known friends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.229.241.120 (talk) 19:50, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
- Doing one or two songs together, performing a single concert together and being friends does not mean they get to be listed there. See Template: Infobox musical artist#Associated Acts for more information on what constitutes inclusion. STATic message me! 21:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Kennedy Fried Chicken
Hi folks, could we adds this early years info:
Jay-Z worked at the Kennedy Fried Chicken in his New York City neighborhood.[1] [2]
That's after he left selling and when he became straight (legit).
He did this work and in spare time was also involved in local raps.
KptnKangaroo (talk) 15:21, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2013
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Jay-Z's name should be changed to Shawn Corey Knowles-Carter. Both he and Beyonce changed their names upon marriage. (Source: http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2009/12/23/beyonce_knowles_name_change/) This is reflected on Beyonce's wikipedia page, but not Jay-Z's, which is frankly a bit sexist. La-via-lattea (talk) 18:28, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- Done makes sense to me ~ Boomur [☎] 21:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: Apologies but I undid your edit. This has been discussed before and it ultimately proved impossible to source reliably. The subject's reps have also contacted OTRS asking that this be removed as untrue (which makes sense because you will not find a single statement by him or his wife to this effect). Of course if User:La-via-lattea or anyone else has such a source, I'm sure we can take a look at it. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 04:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- thanks, that's my bad! should have done a bit more research first, i suppose. ~ Boomur [☎] 20:54, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: Apologies but I undid your edit. This has been discussed before and it ultimately proved impossible to source reliably. The subject's reps have also contacted OTRS asking that this be removed as untrue (which makes sense because you will not find a single statement by him or his wife to this effect). Of course if User:La-via-lattea or anyone else has such a source, I'm sure we can take a look at it. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 04:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- "which is frankly a bit sexist" -- No, the presence of an erroneous change on one page but not another is obviously not even remotely sexist. -- 71.102.128.42 (talk) 05:13, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2014
disambiguation
This article needs a disambiguation page link. I was directed to it when I typed "Magna Carta tour". Where I wanted to go was a Wikipedia article (maybe non-existent) on the World tour of the actual Magna Carta document which currently resides in Lincoln Cathedral. For information on the tour, go to(http://magnacarta800th.com/magna-carta-today/2015-aspirations/)then scroll down to events and exhibitions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelson4P (talk • contribs) 16:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
IP
Hey, can you check who's these users Proxy account? Thanks! :)
Users --> Cherryberrryrogue and Armando Commando
Thx! :)
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Hey, can you check who's these users Proxy account? Thanks! :)
Users --> Cherryberrryrogue and Armando Commando
Thx! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.143.205.162 (talk) 06:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Proposed move (2014)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Jay-Z → Jay Z
- Jay-Z discography → Jay Z discography
- List of songs recorded by Jay-Z → List of songs recorded by Jay Z
- Holy Grail (Jay-Z song) → Holy Grail (Jay Z song)
- Oceans (Jay-Z song) → Oceans (Jay Z song)
- List of awards and nominations received by Jay-Z → List of awards and nominations received by Jay Z
– I opposed the first proposed move as premature but secondary sources have since gravitated to Jay Z's preference. Only Jay-Z: [3]; Mostly Jay Z: [4] [5]; only Jay Z: [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 21:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose, perhaps this has become a more recent trend, but the most common styling throughout his career remains Jay-Z. WikiRedactor (talk) 22:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Policy allows for name changes if common usage changes. WP:UCN: "If the subject of an article changes its name, it is reasonable to consider the usage since the change." It is what allows Chelsea Manning's page name to change. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 02:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose — There was a recent RM where the consensus overwhelming was for not moving the article. The stylization is very inconsistent since its "change" in July 2014 and is definitely not the only way his name is stylized to this day. See [13][14] and [15] among others. Clearly the most known and WP:COMMONNAME is Jay-Z. STATic message me! 02:10, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- So I'm not sure how I'm supposed to believe "Jay-Z" is "clearly the most known" name. I just see a bunch of cherry-picked sources. The ones I offered came from Google Alerts and represent actual usage. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 02:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- He was known as "Jay-Z" for his entire career until July 2013 and has now been "officially" known as "Jay Z" for less than a year. WP:RECENTISM applies. I provided reliable sources from today and yesterday to demonstrate that he is not just referred to as "Jay Z" now, and it is still about 50/50 in usage overall. Even if it was not, his commonly known name throughout the notable portion of his life time is Jay-Z. STATic message me! 02:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- Read above^^ reply. You have not demonstrated "50/50" usage. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 03:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- He was known as "Jay-Z" for his entire career until July 2013 and has now been "officially" known as "Jay Z" for less than a year. WP:RECENTISM applies. I provided reliable sources from today and yesterday to demonstrate that he is not just referred to as "Jay Z" now, and it is still about 50/50 in usage overall. Even if it was not, his commonly known name throughout the notable portion of his life time is Jay-Z. STATic message me! 02:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support I think essentially WP:COMMONNAME is almost toss-up right now, with inconsistency between sources and even within articles in recent press. However, what's making me lean support is that the quality of sources favouring unhyphenated (e.g. from the nom, CBS news, Washington Post) as well as their apparent quantity, though it is surprising that sources are still using both variants in the same article (e.g. UK press: Independent, BBC). Also FWIW Google trends shows a growing trend towards the unhyphenated version, and increasingly fewer searches for the hyphenated version. benmoore 23:21, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thinking more about this, maybe Google Trends isn't really distinguishing between "Jay-Z" and "Jay Z" in the same way that a Google search will return both for either query. benmoore 09:28, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. See Google Ngram --Երևանցի talk 00:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support. Citing Ngrams, which do not cover the most recent years, is particularly misguided. I see not even the slightest reason to ignore what sources are now starting to call him when it's not even his real name. He should be able to decide the stylization of his own name, and sources are apparently following it. Red Slash 04:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Edit to Grammy awards
Hi, the introductory section of this page says that Jay Z has 17 Grammy wins, but according to the separate Wikipedia page for his awards, he has won 19 Grammy awards. Please make the appropriate change. 2601:9:7E00:262:3C42:619C:DE74:B235 (talk) 20:42, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Should info on Blue Ivy be included?
Blue Ivy is a minor who is not notable other than her parents. Should her name and date of birth (even though it is well documented) be included in this article, because it would seem to contradict with Wikipedia's guidelines on this? I'm confused. Twyfan714 (talk) 01:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Blue's name has been widely disseminated in the media and her date of birth too by reliable sources. I could understand how one might have a problem with Blue having her own article per WP:NOTINHERITED, but it seems fine to mention her in this article. ShawntheGod (talk) 09:46, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
PSA
I can't edit this, but in the first sentence of the politics section it says "In 2006, Jay-Z appeared with Russell Simmons in a PSA combatting racism"
There's no need to abbreviate "PSA" - it's an Americanism that a sizeable percentage of people outside America won't understand - so this should really be spelled out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.17.69 (talk) 10:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Solange and the elevator
It may be too soon but I'm leaning towards adding a paragraph on the Solange Knowles assault, that said, I'd be interested in the opinions of others. SPACKlick (talk) 13:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Jay-Z's Last Name Change
Jay-Z officially changed his name to Shawn Knowles-Carter after marrying Beyonce Knowles-Carter. The last name was changed on her page and not his, please fix!
Jay-Z's Last Name Change
Jay-Z officially changed his name to Shawn Knowles-Carter after marrying Beyonce Knowles-Carter. The last name was changed on her page and not his, please fix! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aroram72 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2014
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In November of 2013 he released his first fragrance, simply called "Gold by Jay Z". This amazing Men's cologne is a new standard of measure. A fragrance blended with the brightness of grapefruit and ginger warmed with cardamom, a heart of masculine vetiver and a base of rich amber and smoky myrrh, smoothed with teak wood and bourbon vanilla. - Website: http://jayzgold.com/#/home Ybeeds (talk) 17:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. WP:PRIMARY sources such as Jay-Z's own website are not considered reliable. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- (ec) Not done: Expanding on Technical 13's response: this is an article about Jay-Z, not a venue for advertising products. If you want to capture the portion of this which belongs in a biography in a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail and find a reliable source to support it, you can reopen this request. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 18:39, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
vandalism report
i doubt its true that he is a member of an antisemitic "religion" that says white people are inherently evil eugenics experiments gone wrong who swarmed mecca and were banished to west asia as another article in the wiki claims.(talk)
edit- huh, apparently he DOES wear their symbol from time to time. thats odd. nevermind i guess(talk)
He says he is, they say he isn't. The situation is odd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.135.124.94 (talk) 21:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2014
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The line from the "Early Life" section:
"The moniker is also an homage to his musical mentor, Jaz-O, as well as to the J/Z subway services that have a stop at Marcy Avenue in Brooklyn.[22]"
is inaccurate and unsupported by the cited source. That the stage name Jay-Z is an homage to the J/Z subway lines is an urban myth, and is not mentioned at all in the linked biography on AllMusic. Every external mention of it on the web links back to this erroneous wiki entry. Furthermore, it is directly contradicted by this Daily News article from 2009:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story-origins-jay-z-myth-mta-cuts-article-1.435344
I'd like to request that the second half of that line be stricken.
Seniorexec (talk) 00:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Requested move
Should this page not be moved to Jay Z as he has changed his stage name and dropped the hyphen from his name. CHall2002 (talk) 09:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- See Talk:Jay-Z#Proposed move (2014) and Talk:Jay-Z#Requested move (2013). STATic message me! 21:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2014
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184.152.17.217 (talk) 05:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC) Flimography
- Streets Is Watching (1998)
- Backstage (2000)
- State Property (2002)
- Paper Soldiers (2002)
- Fade To Black (2004)
- Made In America (2013, documentary)
- On The Run Tour (2014, TV Movie documentary)
- Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.
If you want to suggest a change, please do not expect us to play "spot the difference" it appears you want someone to add "On The Run Tour (2014, TV Movie documentary)" but this is not mentioned in the article.
Please request changes in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". - Arjayay (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2014
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Under the associated acts add Lenny Kravits since they did a song together. 2602:301:7765:5CF0:4C4E:C62D:95FC:B1BD (talk) 00:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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