Talk:Glyph

Can you include an image with a glyph ?? compared with a normal type. TIA (Thanks In Advance). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.144.127.11 (talk • contribs)

We need Robert Langdon over here. Ironiridis 03:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Removal of ligature

While ffi is not a character, it can be a glyph, when combined as a ligature. Shinobu 13:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

that's exactly what the article is saying now. the removed statement claimed that ffi could be a character, which is incorrect. dab (ᛏ) 10:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm more at unease with this: "The term for the abstract entity represented by a glyph is character". What I'm trying to say is that this should perhaps be rephrased a little. Something like "The term for the abstract entities glyphs represent is character". That way you don't rule out ligatures. They are discussed further on in the text, but I still feel this paragraph feels a bit odd. Maybe it's just me. Shinobu 13:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

In the sentence: 'But "glyph" first came to widespread European attention with the engravings and in guild wars lithographs from'... the 'guild wars' link goes to the article on the video game of that name. I'm not sure what it was supposed to link to, but i'm guessing it wasn't that. 4.248.221.49 15:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I link hopped here from an article on 16th century English Occultist John Dee and his use of a symbolic ideogram to represent a concept in his book [Monas Hieroglyphica]. That being said, I think that there should be work done to disambiguate the use of the term "glyph" by the subjects of:

• Use in Archaeology
• Use in the Occult and/or Esoterism
• Use in Typography

Anyone agree? VigilantLocutor (talk) 11:03, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Need Glyph (typography) and Glyph (archaeology)?

This article is about the use of the term "glyph" in typography but does not address the term glyph as it pertains to archaeology. This article is missing, to quote Wiktionary: "A figure carved in relief or incised, especially representing a sound, word, or idea [or] Any non-verbal symbol that imparts information".

I'm thinking that we might need 2 articles?? Madman 04:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

glyph vs. allograph

Some sources may use 'glyph' to mean 'allograph', but I doubt that's the predominant meaning. Per the OED, a 'character' is a distinctive written symbol (that is, a grapheme), but a glyph is specifically a carved symbol, not a graphic variant of a character. Given the ambiguity, wouldn't this article be better moved to allograph? kwami (talk) 12:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

This is a really, really academic article

I've read this article twice, and almost nothing has stuck due to the obscure technical terms and its academic style. At the risk of sounding like a cranky old man I'm definitely nominating this for translation into the 'Simple English' Wiki.... Harry Zilber (talk) 15:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. I've been in design for 20 years and I just had to read it twice. It is very jargon heavy.--Knulclunk (talk) 03:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes this page is unreadable in its current form. Were I qualified, I would re-write FROM SCRATCH. Crosslink (talk) 23:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Completely agree! The i with and without a dot? Does not help explain the topic at all. Todd (talk) 21:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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And I did this. Fruckert (talk) 07:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I came to this page to get an understanding of the term "glyph" as it relates to fonts. The article presently starts with an example of a dot and explains that it may or may not be a glyph. I would suggest that it would be better to start with a general definition of a glyph and only after that has been stated, should there be examples of specific glyphs and the reasons why they are or are not glyphs. After reading the entire article, I still have only a fuzzy idea of exactly what a glyph is.

I got this from Wiktionary, "A visual representation of a letter, character, or symbol, in a specific font and style." I do not know if that is completely accurate or not, but it is better than what is here. Due to my ignorance on this subject, I will leave any editing to others who are more knowledgeable.

--EPA3 (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I completely agree. It is not clear why the dot on the dotless i should be considered a glyph. The dotted i (including the dot) is one glyph, and the dotless i (just the base, without the dot) is another glyph. Todd (talk) 17:18, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Conflicting concepts

About the term "glyph", there are some variations, like at W3C this table with images showing the "typical symbols" in the column Glyph:

• W3C, perhaps in a "loose use of the term", use the concept "glyph = typical symbol" about a set (charset and Fonts) of possible representations.
• the illustration here use an opposite concept, as "various glyphs representing the typical symbol".

--Krauss (talk) 16:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Lede is garbage.

The lede contains the claim that the word glyph is a typographical term then later in the article Archealogical glyphs have a separate section, making the lede inconsistent. I note that my 1993 edition of the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary has ONLY the archeological and not the typographic meaning. The lede goes on to claim that the dot above the i in Turkish is a glyph "...because that language has two distinct versions of the letter "i"..." This is rubbish. This is like claiming that O and Q in English prove that the \ character is a glyph since it changes an O into a Q. The set of glyphs that make up a character set may or not contain elements that must be combined with other elements (diacritics). Note that I make no claim about whether Turkish has that particular glyph, just that the logic "it is a glyph because I and İ are different" is rubbish. This article fails miserably in actually defining what a "glyph" is - claiming it is a "mark" that "means (or changes the meaning of) something" is more rubbish. Changing a l to a T by a horizontal line on top of it is therefore a glyph? A glyph, it seems to me, is a member of the set of elements used to write a particular language, that set being one agreed to by the users/community. This topic gets a lot more complex in dealing with writing which is not character based (eg Chinese), or with information added to an element or group of elements either directly above, below, left or right of the element(s) or in some other location in the text. Some of this information may be variable in shape and size, making it difficult to precisely define typographically. It would be interesting to compare English, Arabic, and Chinese typographic definitions of the concept.72.172.11.121 (talk) 17:44, 31 October 2014 (UTC)