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Pornographic video game

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Having stared at this article for some time, and flagged it for reference deficiencies, I cannot see how it can ever be more than a dictionary definition. A pornographic video game is a video game which is pornographic. Surely all it can ever do is to elaborate on the term 'pornography' and stray into repeating text from articles on video games? Certainly at present all we have is a bit of CNN referenced description, a reference to something else entirely, and a list of papers which may or may not be relevant. Fiddle Faddle 08:00, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

• Delete - Agreed, pretty much a dictionary definition. Furthermore the topic is already covered by the very similar Sex and nudity in video games article referenced on the page itself. Nyctimene (talk) 11:31, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) • Gene93k (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect to Sex and nudity in video games. I agree the topic's not notable on its own, but I can see that as a search term and this linked article is a good target for a redirect, even if the term isn't fully called out. --MASEM (t) 16:22, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
• Delete as original research. Placing the redirect as Masem suggests is not a bad idea. Ivanvector (talk) 16:57, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
• Redirect to Eroge or per Masem. While there are non-Japanese examples, the most well-known are. ansh666 17:12, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
• Redirect to Eroge - "Eroge" is a word of Japanese origin, but that doesn't mean that the definition of the word is specific to games made in Japan. The Eroge article should deal with eroge no matter what country of development. Deletion should not be a consideration; "Pornographic video game" is a valid search term, as are the redirects currently pointing to this title. Neelix (talk) 19:00, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
• Delete - I was notified of this AfD because I "created" this page by moving it over to sex and nudity in video games. This article is an attempt to force a genre out of similar but unrelated instances, as was the original version. Just as "bus movie" isn't a film genre just because some films take place in buses. This should be redirected back to sex and nudity in video games. Similarly, saying that eroge should deal with American games is like saying that anime should include Caillou. We don't create articles about the world we want, we stick to the world that is. Eroge is eroge. A "valid search term" doesn't make something real or notable. Search terms are great places for redirects, and the "redirects currently pointing to this title" are valid search terms, which all (until recently) pointed to sex and nudity in video games. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 05:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not against a merge with eroge for now, but it should be absolutely without prejudice regarding a split in the future. As JohnnyMrNinja points out, eroge is a specialized form of pornographic video game, not a synonym. Anyway deletion which wipes out the history should not be considered here. I have a hard time believing that the genre (other redirected synonyms include adult game and sex game) hasn't generated enough commentary from the RSes to be considered notable. I'm unable to make a deeper examination at the moment, but a very quick search of Google Scholar, Google Books, and WP:VG's custom search engines using several obvious synonyms ("pornographic video game", "pornographic game", "adult video game", "adult game", "erotic video game", etc.) shows a large number of possibly usable RSes. -Thibbs (talk) 13:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Looking into Thibbs' claims above, I find that they are accurate; there are plenty of reliable sources that discuss pornographic/erotic/adult video games as a genre. There also seems to be plenty non-Japanese games in the genre, from a look at Category:Erotic video games. There is plenty of source material that could be used to develop this article, based on a Google Books search. Articles should not be deleted simply because they are poorly written. As such, I am changing my !vote above to Keep. Neelix (talk) 16:22, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

"Erotic" and "pornographic", though they may evoke the same thing, are not the same thing. I am confused at why the author (User:Carrot Lord, now retired) decided that they are despite saying that they are not! I'd say move this to Adult video game or Erotic video game, which currently redirects here. ansh666 18:22, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect (revised !vote): reviewing both articles, Eroge is specifically about the Japanese genre, while Sex and nudity in video games is more likely what a user who types "pornographic video games" in the search box is looking for. It seems to me that Sex and nudity is the more appropriate target, but I think consensus is against me. So redirect to Eroge with a hatnote to the sex and nudity article. Ivanvector (talk) 17:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
• Keep. While there are obvious issues with the quality of the article, I don't think this can seriously be argued to be a non-notable topic. Here are a few sources that deal specifically with pornographic video games: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Of course I can keep going. Pornographic games are a substantial industry in Japan, and have been the subject of political debate (one consequence of which was the banning of games depicting pedophilia or rape, which are still legal in the US). However, the phenomenon is obviously not limited to Japan, and ought to be discussed in global perspective. --Sammy1339 (talk) 19:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

• In response to editors who suggested redirecting to "Sex and nudity in video games" or something of the like, this is a bit like redirecting "pornographic films" to "sex and nudity in film." There's a clear distinction between media that contains sexual content, and media whose primary purpose is to arouse. --Sammy1339 (talk) 19:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes that's true for film, where pornographic film is a distinct genre. That seems to be less clear in video games. Ivanvector (talk) 20:37, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

No, it's very clear. Do a google search for "hentai game." --Sammy1339 (talk) 22:03, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Which is eroge. ansh666 03:09, 1 November 2014 (UTC)