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:Experiments can be conducted in a college lab, on a kitchen table, at CERN's Large Hadron Collider, at the bottom of an ocean, on Mars, and so on. There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method
:Experiments can be conducted in a college lab, on a kitchen table, at CERN's Large Hadron Collider, at the bottom of an ocean, on Mars, and so on. There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method


:which you just inserted into [[Scientific Method]] is found all over the internet. I have already noted that some of the material you worked with at [[Roman economy]] also appears in the World Heritage Encyclopedia. If this was unintentional, or, if, somehow you are not responsible for this, then I apologize, but the problem remains. There is substantial similarity to the material you are working with and material that has already appeared elsewhere. Sincerely,, [[User:I'm your Grandma.|Grandma]] ([[User talk:I'm your Grandma.#top|talk]]) 23:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
:which you just inserted into [[Scientific Method]] is found all over the internet. I have already noted that some of the material you worked with at [[Roman economy]] also appears in the World Heritage Encyclopedia. If this was unintentional, or, if, somehow you are not responsible for this, then I apologize, but the problem remains. There is substantial similarity to the material you are working with and material that has already appeared elsewhere. Sincerely,, [[User:I&#39;m your Grandma.|Grandma]] ([[User talk:I&#39;m your Grandma.#top|talk]]) 23:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)</s>
::"There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method, however" comes from Wikipedia. I wrote that about 2005-6. Usually the internet copies from Wikipedia, as the encyclopedia does not enforce its copyright, watching out only for non-attribution of Wikipedia as the source. And if copying into the encyclopedia is detected, the copied text is reverted, in general. The more frustrating part comes from citations. The editors of the encyclopedia have to back up their text with citations. It's not so easy to come up with citations, and professors don't seem to mind when the citations get copied from the encyclopedia.
::"There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method, however" comes from Wikipedia. I wrote that about 2005-6. Usually the internet copies from Wikipedia, as the encyclopedia does not enforce its copyright, watching out only for non-attribution of Wikipedia as the source. And if copying into the encyclopedia is detected, the copied text is reverted, in general. The more frustrating part comes from citations. The editors of the encyclopedia have to back up their text with citations. It's not so easy to come up with citations, and professors don't seem to mind when the citations get copied from the encyclopedia.
::So [[User:Historian7]], I pretty much can tell if a citation doesn't match the content. What I am going to do is name some of the un-named references so that they can be used elsewhere in the article, if needed. I may be forced to add some "citation needed" <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> inline tags. But if you come up with new material, I follow the links and learn, myself. So I appreciate what you and Grandma are doing. Keep it up! Both of you. Regards --[[User:Ancheta Wis|Ancheta Wis]] [[User talk:Ancheta Wis| &nbsp; (talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Ancheta Wis| &#124; contribs)]] 00:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)</s>
::So [[User:Historian7]], I pretty much can tell if a citation doesn't match the content. What I am going to do is name some of the un-named references so that they can be used elsewhere in the article, if needed. I may be forced to add some "citation needed" <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> inline tags. But if you come up with new material, I follow the links and learn, myself. So I appreciate what you and Grandma are doing. Keep it up! Both of you. Regards --[[User:Ancheta Wis|Ancheta Wis]] [[User talk:Ancheta Wis| &nbsp; (talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Ancheta Wis| &#124; contribs)]] 00:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


==[[Roman economy]] material almost identical to that found at World Heritage Encyclopedia==
==[[Roman economy]] material almost identical to that found at World Heritage Encyclopedia==

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your issue

I am really not sure what your issue is. Me edits did not copy any material from anywhere other than the body of the article I edited. The lede is suppose to summarize the body, so using the quotes and sources from the body does just that.Historian7 (talk) 22:58, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

:@Historian7: This is not my issue, but it is a problem. A simple google of the following text fragment,

Experiments can be conducted in a college lab, on a kitchen table, at CERN's Large Hadron Collider, at the bottom of an ocean, on Mars, and so on. There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method
which you just inserted into Scientific Method is found all over the internet. I have already noted that some of the material you worked with at Roman economy also appears in the World Heritage Encyclopedia. If this was unintentional, or, if, somehow you are not responsible for this, then I apologize, but the problem remains. There is substantial similarity to the material you are working with and material that has already appeared elsewhere. Sincerely,, Grandma (talk) 23:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method, however" comes from Wikipedia. I wrote that about 2005-6. Usually the internet copies from Wikipedia, as the encyclopedia does not enforce its copyright, watching out only for non-attribution of Wikipedia as the source. And if copying into the encyclopedia is detected, the copied text is reverted, in general. The more frustrating part comes from citations. The editors of the encyclopedia have to back up their text with citations. It's not so easy to come up with citations, and professors don't seem to mind when the citations get copied from the encyclopedia.
So User:Historian7, I pretty much can tell if a citation doesn't match the content. What I am going to do is name some of the un-named references so that they can be used elsewhere in the article, if needed. I may be forced to add some "citation needed" {{cn}} inline tags. But if you come up with new material, I follow the links and learn, myself. So I appreciate what you and Grandma are doing. Keep it up! Both of you. Regards --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 00:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Roman economy material almost identical to that found at World Heritage Encyclopedia

@Ancheta Wis, the following edit made by @Historian7

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Roman_economy&diff=623469271&oldid=602730788

included lots of material, but let us consider just a subset:

Currency and banking

The early Empire was monetized to a near-universal extent, in the sense of using money as a way to express prices and debts.[11] The sestertius (plural sestertii, English "sesterces", symbolized as HS) was the basic unit of reckoning value into the 4th century,[12] though the silver denarius, worth four sesterces, was used also for accounting beginning in the Severan dynasty.[13] The smallest coin commonly circulated was the bronze as (plural asses), one-fourth sestertius.[14] Bullion and ingots seem not to have counted as pecunia, "money," and were used only on the frontiers for transacting business or buying property. Romans in the 1st and 2nd centuries counted coins, rather than weighing them—an indication that the coin was valued on its face, not for its metal content. This tendency toward fiat money led eventually to the debasement of Roman coinage, with consequences in the later Empire.[15] The standardization of money throughout the Empire promoted trade and market integration.[16] The high amount of metal coinage in circulation increased the money supply for trading or saving.[17]

This material is virtually identical to the material found at

http://www.worldheritage.org/article/WHEBN0000025507/Roman%20Empire

which reads

CURRENCY AND BANKING

The early Empire was monetized to a near-universal extent, in the sense of using money as a way to express prices and debts.[202] The sestertius (plural sestertii, English "sesterces", symbolized as HS) was the basic unit of reckoning value into the 4th century,[203] though the silver denarius, worth four sesterces, was used also for accounting beginning in the Severan dynasty.[204] The smallest coin commonly circulated was the bronze as (plural asses), one-fourth sestertius.[205] Bullion and ingots seem not to have counted as pecunia, "money," and were used only on the frontiers for transacting business or buying property. Romans in the 1st and 2nd centuries counted coins, rather than weighing them—an indication that the coin was valued on its face, not for its metal content. This tendency toward fiat money led eventually to the debasement of Roman coinage, with consequences in the later Empire.[206] The standardization of money throughout the Empire promoted trade and market integration.[207] The high amount of metal coinage in circulation increased the money supply for trading or saving.[208]

And, I emphasize, this is just one example. I don't understand how this identical material is appearing at both Wiki and World Heritage Encyclopedia.

Just keeping track, Grandma (talk) 00:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is simple: World Heritage Encyclopedia copies Wikipedia articles verbatim. ~Adjwilley (talk) 01:23, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good Lord! I had not idea! @Historian7, I apologize without qualification. I had no idea that "World Heritage Encyclopedia" copied Wiki and, then, wrapped it up as if it was their own product. I'm very sorry to imply that you may have been acquiring your text from them. Sincerely, Grandma (talk) 01:37, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And the WHE site even has a copyright stamp at the base of their webpages! Amazing! Grandma (talk) 01:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]