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Honorific nicknames in popular music

The use of flag icons on this page seems to me entirely out of step with the MOS rule. I'd welcome others' opinions on the topic. I'm going to start a thread on the talk page of the article and I invite both those who agree with me and those who disagree with me to opine there. David in DC (talk) 20:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Nice work; well done. bobrayner (talk) 23:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Clarification

Should flags be used in the way they are on this page for football matches. The flags are used to represent the county a club play in not nationality of an official or a national team. Also obviously the Scottish flag is used multiple times surely this would be excessive. I cant see how this passes mos. Im being told by the Ip who keeps reverting me that several GA articles are like this so I am wrong, whilst that is likely or may be the case i cant see how. If this is allowed what would happen say with Berwick Rangers a club who plays in the Scottish league but is based in England, to me this is open to interpretation. Blethering Scot 18:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

example

Celtic v FC Krasnodar

3 July 2014 Friendly	Celtic	3 – 1	FC Krasnodar	Bad Wimsbach, Austria
18:00 CEST	Stokes 2' Johansen 42' McGregor 49'	Match Report	Ahmedov 19'	Stadium: Hofmaninger Stadion

Rapid Vienna v Celtic

6 July 2014 Friendly	Rapid Vienna	1 – 1	Celtic	Vienna, Austria
18:00 CEST	van Dijk 7' (o.g.)	Match Report	Pukki 70'	Stadium: Gerhard Hanappi Stadium

There is a lot of discussion about this at the moment that hasn't resulted in a resolution. Read (at length) in the above section. SFB 18:57, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I have and its not really the same issue, thats about players and sports people who haven't represented their nation and flag use in club rosters. Im talking about flags being used to represent the country a club play in. These clubs aren't tied to an official nation other than they play in that country. Im not proposing any change to mos just want to know if under the current mos as its worded these are allowed or not. I don't think they are, but i need more advice.Blethering Scot 20:16, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I think the general rule as it stands is that flags should not be used if the entity is not representative of the nation. My interpretation of that in this respect is (a) don't use for club friendlies, (b) do use for clubs when they are the qualified representatives of a nation in an international club competition (e.g. Champions League). You won't find anything in the MOS at the moment offering this kind of detail (hence my proposal. SFB 20:25, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

You may have a point about the champions league, as they are the countries or league in that countries representative. At the very least they shouldn't be used for friendlies in any sport.Blethering Scot 20:59, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a reasonable way of showing where the opponents are from (which is noteworthy), but you could get rid of the one representing Celtic (as the article is specifically about them). Number 57 15:08, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

why does it matter what country they are from, also text is a reasonable replacement for flags and the article already indicates which country the match is played in. Its over use of flags no matter what way you look at it. Every team is going to have there county's flag at a minimum of twice and the Scottish flag is there in multiples. Looking through mos flag I can't see how its justified. If these were national teams them I would justify it but they have no official ties to a country. Blethering Scot 20:35, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

That's your opinion. Mine is that a club playing a club from another country is relatively unusual compared the number of games played against domestic clubs, and that this is a simple and clean way of representing that. The clubs do have official ties to countries, as they are members of their respective FAs. I also don't understand why you think it means flags being used twice. The team is only mentioned once unless it's a home-and-away match, which is usually restricted to European competition.

Yes but its a clear violation of mos flag as its worded at this moment in time, so if the widespread opinion is they should be allowed then the guideline needs to be changed. For friendlies it is totally unjustified it doesn't matter whether they are registered to a FA, they are not representing that FA in anyway. Even for European competitions its borderline but i concede they are technically representing. Currently in the article the Scottish flag is listed 11 times (and growing), the German flag twice, Austrian twice. Its excessive and can easily be done in text so the flags are unnecessary. Blethering Scot 21:37, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Which part does it violate? As I said earlier, I don't see a reason to include the Scottish one every time. And where would you put the text? Number 57 21:54, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

• It's not compatible with the MOS, and the little flag pictures should be removed, because those flags aren't specific to the football teams. They are national flags and the teams are not competing on behalf of those countries. As an example of how absurd it is, not a single player on the pitch had a Scottish passport, but on wikipedia somebody has marked the team with a Scottish flag. bobrayner (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
• Agreed with Bobrayner. This is precisely the sort of misleading, pointless abuse of flag iconography that led to this guideline arising in the first place.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  06:28, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox anthem

The examples on Template:Infobox anthem use national flags. Is this a violation of INFOBOXFLAG? Walter Görlitz (talk) 12:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

• It's always a judgment call with flag icons, Walter, but associating a national flag with a national anthem does not strike me as inappropriate. The flag is being used to represent the country of the subject national anthem. That's a pretty close representational association. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:22, 12 September 2014 (UTC)