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Melbourne, FL

I put the section back in, mainly because although a bit gaudy it was all true, and all seemed to be valid articles.

Perhaps get rid of the arrows, move to the back?

The Georgia Page

Actually, now that I think about it, I went to the Georgia page and went through the links of the major cities. When I went to each cities page I checked out there metro status and Macon came in third behind Atlanta and Augusta.

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Catholic Churches

You offered some comments last week about a proposed deletion of Incarnation Catholic Church and School (Glendale, California). You correctly noted that the article was rough, as it had just been started. I have been preparing articles on some of the significant parishes in Los Angeles and wondered if you'd have a few minutes to take a look and make suggestions on format, content, info boxes, etc. One of your notes indicated that the number of members was key data, and I agree, but do you know of any verifiable source to determine membership for Catholic parishes? Examples of the parishes I have so far created articles for are: St. Andrew's Catholic Church, Pasadena, St. Robert Bellarmine Catholic Church, St. Charles Borromeo Church (North Hollywood), and St. Finbar Catholic Church and School (Burbank, California).

Brandywine

Brandywine is a general disambiguation page (which Brandywine Creek and Brandywine River) point to.

I went through all the Brandywine references and updated them to point to the appropriate articles. There were and are many pages referring to either "Brandywine Creek" or "Brandywine River" and not necessarily pointing to the correct one.

"Brandywine River" can refer to: "Brandywine Creek (Christina River)" or "Brandywine Creek (Cuyahoga River)". or the fictional (Hobbit/Rings Trilogy) Middle Earth river.

"Brandywine Creek" refers to at least 25 different ones in the U.S.

(5) Brandywine in British Columbia, (2) Brandywine in Nova Scotia, and more outside of North America ...

Rivers are officially disambiguated by their downstream_parent, for instance Brandywine (Christina River), only when that fails, then a reasonable civil sub-division. See WikiProject Rivers for more details.

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Charles Adams

I am not particularly familiar with Vermont but I try to edit pages with correct links, sources, etc. Adams' page says the town so it has been fixed to that. Any correction to my corrections can be made. Thanks for the thanks!

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Thank you for your recommendation. I will work on it this weekend.

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Thank you for your recommendation. I will work on it this weekend. Sguffanti

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I actually attend one of the middle schools, so that is why. User:Atum World/Toast

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One of the purposes of the set index articles on Russian inhabited localities is to list the entities for which an article is not yet created but should be. Having those links makes the sets complete, generates the backlinks which help prioritize the articles to be created, points out to the correct title under which the article needs to be created, and, by aggregating all links in one place, prevents the proliferation of countless useless stubs which are basically one line repeating the description in the set index. Furthermore, there is nothing confusing about a red link. Please continue on that set's talk page if you still disagree. The only real problem with that page is that it is currently unreferenced; I will have that fixed.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 6, 2012; 14:22 (UTC)

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)

ICHTHUS

June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

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HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

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A Handel manuscript

• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

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FYI. I think you missed the mark on the recent article re-naming. "Domestic Pets" is awkward, and I don't know of anyone who uses that term. "Companion animal" is the accepted, and broadly use, term. Gulbenk (talk) 17:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Raw Milk Claims

I wonder if you would consider restoring my original which stated:

Alongside the ongoing empirical debate, food freedom advocates cite libertarian arguments in claiming a basic civil right of each person to weigh the risks and benefits in choosing the food one eats.

You changed it to:

Alongside the ongoing empirical debate, food freedom advocates cite libertarian arguments in stating that a basic civil right of each person to weigh the risks and benefits in choosing the food one eats.

It appears it was swept up along with other instances of the word claim in your edit. The other corrections were appropriate because the word was used in the sense of "to state as a fact". But I used the word in the sense of "to demand as a right".

Thanks in advance, should you restore, or give me your blessing to restore, my original.

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I have removed your rewording. digitisation was probably Digital terrestrial television, unimportant.Xx236 (talk) 08:36, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

@Xx236: I don't see 1)why digitisation is important at this level. 2) Why it shouldn't be linked, if it is important?, and 3) why the coincidence with Ukraine should be reported in an article which should be about Poland, not the Ukraine? Student7 (talk) 22:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about my poor English.

I believe that the conversion to the Digital terrestrial television doesn't deserve to be mentioned in a general article. Does any other country article contain such a detail?

The Championship was organized by Poland and Ukraine. I believe that the Championship shouldn't be mentioned in History section, maybe in Sport one. But when it's mentioned one has to mentioned Ukraine, too. Xx236 (talk) 06:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

usaa

so why do you think the military history of ceo and coo is not germane for a company whose BoD is loaded with general officers? you do know that usaa is not public, that the board picks its replacements, and that the board is loaded with general officers. right? i mean, the military background was important enough that it is one of the few things you will find in the linkedIn profiles of the coo and ceo... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.24.24.150 (talk) 21:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I actually agree with the IP, and I have restored the information. USAA is unique, open only to military service people and veterans and their families. It is important to them and their members to know that the company's leaders did military service. --MelanieN (talk) 02:54, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

thank you both. Just about the only dispute that I think has been handled with civilty and an open mind... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.24.24.150 (talk) 21:15, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Steamship

Just to point out that I changed your edit on Steamship#Long Distance Commercial Steamships to Long Tons. The source is a British publication and Jarvis uses the Transactions of the Institution of Naval Architects (1870) as his source. This is a very British institution (founded, if I remember correctly, when Brunel got into building iron ships).ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 08:03, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Spotted your next edit to "tonnes" - but that is the metric ton, i.e. 1,000 kilograms. The "ton" in the source is 2240 pounds. The "tonne" is roughly 98.4% of the Imperial ton. Too late in the day here to go changing things and I have to do some calculations on concrete volumes once I've finished playing on Wikipedia - but I really think we need to leave "tonnes" out of this.

Of course, in the subject of shipping, we then have the volume measurement called "ton", of which there are several variants, depending on date, jurisdiction and the preferences of the user. How anyone in the 19th century (when all the different versions coexisted) ever knew what was going on, I cannot imagine. I think that has given some errors of interpretation in a few Wikipedia articles, but some of the sources are not really clear enough to justify a re-edit.

ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 22:35, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Let's forget shipping!

I had thought that long tons was indeed tonnes (which made no sense in the light of the 19th century, BWTH, I figured). I stand corrected.

I don't even want to remember how many articles I have put that in! (I'm just hoping that many of them were correct!  :(

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Assessor (law) Comment

I don't understand why you reverted my edit to the Assessor (law) article. My change was adding a link to clarify that notary in the context of that paragraph referred to civil-law notaries and not the very different common-law notaries. Your reversion comment "The subjects of this article actually sit with the presiding judge on the bench. They may or may not know law!" is not relevant to my changes.

If you think that the section I was editing (about German Rechtsassessors) did not belong in the article, you should remove that entire paragraph, not just my addition to it. ABehrens (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

@ABehrens:. Hope this is something new. Been away for awhile.

The article was about (as I stated and you restated) about people who sit on the bench, alongside the actual judge. They vote on facts. They don't make law rulings, which are unambiguously left in the hands of the single judge. So they do not require law training of any sort. In one place, Vermont, these were very deliberately established years ago because Vermonters did not trust judges to mete out correct judgements of guilty or not guilty, nor establish a punishment if the accused were guilty. For American courts, side judges are less useful when there is a jury impaneled. Today, juries are rarely selected by attorneys and their clients.

So the article has nothing to do with notaries, no matter how super qualified they may be. Notaries are not normally judge-assistants. They are "highly qualified notaries" and belong in articles which apply to notaries. Student7 (talk) 19:48, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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Your stated reason for deleting the text about the Church of Jesus Christ is that it has an insufficient membership to merit mention. I disagree with that reasoning.

First, I believe that I provided a sufficient body of information about the Church's history and state in Haiti to merit inclusion.

Second, the 5% bar that you have set for inclusion is arbitrary and is not in force on similar articles discussing other countries' religions (e.g. Religion in Armenia, Religion in Ecuador).

Third, there are other sections (e.g. Islam, Bahá'í, Judaism) in the article that do not reach the bar that you have set, yet you did not delete them. That's a good thing, though, as I think that those sections also merit inclusion.

Please consider whether you would support restoring the text that you deleted. Mèsi anpil.

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Cordwainer Smith

I'm not going to revert your edit, but Cordwainer Smith and E.E. "Doc" Smith belonged to completely different science fiction generations in terms of publishing heyday and writing style. Anyone who mistakes one for the other is very very confused. AnonMoos (talk) 00:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your restraint. I have not read a lot of Doc Smith, as you say, a different genre, enough of Cordwainer to appreciate the difference. Nevertheless, I've read that the names were confusing. Others may have the same opinion as yours. It's not the genres, it's the names. Normally I know editors by their last name only. Niven, Campbell, Turtledove, I concede "Orson Scott", not "Scott," and HG Wells, since Orson's broadcast, Connie Willis, not Willis, Poul Anderson to distinguish from Frederick Pohl. But still confused by Smith alone. We'll see...Student7 (talk) 01:17, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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Cites for origins

I certainly agree that WP:V is a foundational principle of Wikipedia, and articles are indeed "standalone". However, I think that -- in the absence of a legitimate controversy -- it is unnecessary to footnote each member of a list of people from Kos, especially well-known ones like Hippocrates. Do you also want to include footnotes for every image in the image mosaic in Americans? --Macrakis (talk) 18:24, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I'll pass on photomontages! The footnotes would really be a mess among the "File" templates. I don't have a good answer. On the other hand, these are well-known Americans, to Americans and the developed World. Some of them may not be that well-known in the undeveloped world.

My primary concern has been place articles where most editors consider lists of athletes, musicians, etc. a unavoidable nuisance having little to do with the place. i.e. non-WP:TOPIC. Not wanting to swim against the tide, the lists have been usually allowed. But forcing place-maintainers to link to each article separately, seems torturous. And often, non-productive, as well, since the author of the athletes link did not deem his place of birth or interim home, sufficiently noteworthy to cite. Granted, some of these people are truly famous, like Hippocrates. But until I watched this article, I had no idea he was "from" or lived in, Kos. I don't know for sure, where a lot of famous people were born or lived. For some I could hazard a good guess. I don't know where the following were born or lived (country, but not city): Confucius, Buddha, Simon Bolivar, George Washington (Fairfax? not Williamsburg, right?), Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Henry V (London?), Charlemagne, Tamerlane, the list, you see, is quite long. Perhaps you are better educated! But I need these to justify space in the articles I try to maintain. I hope to enlist your help. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 18:45, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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State ACW templates and related articles Navbox

I recently came across your Georgia in the Civil War template that you made a few years ago. Nice work. A few years before I made one or two of these after seeing them for another state. I had not noticed the Georgia one before because it is unfortunately buried within a related article Navbox. I'm presently going through and systematically stripping away the related article Navbox so that this template displays. If you think that is a mistake, or overriding some group consensus about format, please let me know so that I can bring it up for reconsideration before continuing. Thanks.

BTW, if I had the time I would like to see a similar template for every state that had enough events/actions to adequately populate the format. Red Harvest (talk) 01:52, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I copied Missouri's format!

Not sure what you mean about "stripping away related article Navbox" in this case. I agree that I like to have small one-topic templates without dragging in ones that "might" be related, but not sure how that applies here. Student7 (talk) 14:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

The Navbox surrounding the template was hiding it. The GA ACW template was being grouped with the national ACW template as well, hiding both. They were disappearing at the bottom of the page under a non-descript, black and white, "Links to related articles" strip. I didn't notice it at first as I began inserting the template in pages...then realized that it was already there, but not displaying. I hadn't even noticed that generic "Links to related articles" bar before and would have no reason to select it since the articles typically contain wikilinks, "see also", campaign boxes, etc. The solution seemed simple: strip away the generic box that is hiding the information so that the state and national templates display properly. Red Harvest (talk) 22:06, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I guess. Sorry to be so clueless. I looked at the changes to the template and agree with them so far....:) Student7 (talk) 22:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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Your page Persecution Of Christians is innacurate. Namely the topics of the Crusades and the Holocaust, for example, are full of fallacies. The Crusaders themselves were actually Christians and cleansed areas of Jews, Pagans, Muslims, and more. The campaign was called for by the Pope himself. Also, did you know that the Swastika is the symbol of the third entity of the Trinity, the Holy Ghost? These are actually excellent examples of the harm religious fundamentalism causes, in nearly every religion devised by man, and spills that harm over into politics which is why seperation of church and state is one of the best things the American founding fathers ever passed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.115.61 (talk) 22:45, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Inaccuracy

Your page Persecution Of Christians is innacurate. Namely, the topics of the Crusades and the Holocaust, for example, are full of fallacies. The Crusaders themselves were actually Christians and cleansed areas of Jews, Pagans, Muslims, and more. The campaign was called for by the Pope himself. Also, did you know that the Swastika is the symbol of the third entity of the Trinity, the Holy Ghost? These are actually excellent examples of the harm religious fundamentalism causes, in nearly every religion devised by man, and spills that harm over into politics, which is why seperation of church and state is one of the best things the American founding fathers ever passed, and the religious folks in the States who bellyache about it should bite their tongues. Religous fundamentalism just leads to wars that could just be avoided by embracing ideologies like the Pagan rede which states "harm ye none, do what ye will", or Christ's message of love and peace in spite of petty differences.