Talk:Wagner tuba

I wonder if the passage I just added on the sound of the Wagner tuba more properly belongs in an orchestration book rather than an encyclopedia. Also, I freely acknowledge that I am more familiar with the scores of Bruckner than those of Wagner. - Del_arte

Proper name

The name "Wagner tuba" is a misnomer. The proper name for this instrument is "Wagner tuben." But, I will admit that I'm still learning how to do everything around here. Is there a way the name can be changed?--Frontierbrass 18:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

"Wagner tuben" may be more proper, but "Wagner tuba" is so widely used in orchestration books and concert programmes that it would take a major campaign to get it changed (just ask the kid who tried to get Columbus Day renamed Native American Day because the native Americans were already here). Anyway, Wikipedia is not in the business of trying to correct nomenclature.

But this is an encyclopedia. Shouldn't the information contained within be accurate? This isn't just nomenclature, it's a misinterpretation of the original German; the Wager tuben has no relation to the tuba. The German word for tuba is "tuba," not tuben, which means tubes. The confusion most likely comes from Bruckner, who for some reason decided to start referring to them as "tenor tubas" (which they are not; euphoniums are tenor tubas).--Frontierbrass 03:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Just for the record, I am looking at editing the page to be more accurate, but I'm trying to look up some more sources since "this is what I've learned in the course of going to college" isn't exactly a good source to cite.--Frontierbrass 03:10, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

There might be cases when there is a bona fide reason to change the name of a Wikipedia article. In such a case you move the page using the "move" tab, but then it becomes your responsibility to doublecheck "what links here." Anton Mravcek 22:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I added an article under the title "Wagner tuben" that redirects here. Not a complete solution, but perhaps an improvement?--Btwied 17:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

That is helpful. But if we can edit to our satisfaction the paragraph on the article about why the name is a misnomer, then that should be good enough for Wikipedia. If I want to go on a campaign to have the name changed to "Wagner-Sax modified horn," that's my business. Anton Mravcek 17:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, the German name *is* Wagnertuba (no space inbetween), cf. de:Wagnertuba. "Tuben" is the German plural of "Tuba", hence the confusion. --DerHerrMigo 21:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

nomenclature

I have played Wagner (he usually won!) and the horn players I know who played that thing always called it a "Wagnerian tuba".

I added a line in the article about rotary valves, conical bore and horn mouthpiece. I deleted the request image tag at the top of this discussion page since someone has added a photo to the article. Jeffmatt 10:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Caudel

I have written a brief page on Stephen Caudel who wrote the Edel rhapsody for the wagner tuba :-

Edel rhapsody

Do you think this is a valid addition to the main page or getting a little away from the core article?

In my opinion, it is a very valid addition. It shows that the Wagner tuba is transcending its original milieu, that it could become a viable instrument in musical genres besides classical and opera. Anton Mravcek 20:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Good Job!

I am pleased to see an article devoted to my favourite instrument. Thanks for your work. Just to throw more fuel on the fire, I have heard/read the instrument referred to as a Bruchner tuba as well. Perhaps a reference from an orchestration manual would settle the name question. --Ambassadorhorn 00:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any reason to call it a "Bruckner tuba," much less a "Bruchner tuba." The article already has (and has had almost since the beginning) "a reference from an orchestration manual," though it does not settle the question. Anton Mravcek 22:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Modern Instrument

Could someone familiar with the modern instrument that plays the two different keys, explain how the different keys changes are obtained? It seems difficult to do in a "brass" instrument. Maybe the explanation is obvious, but it escapes me at the moment. Dr. Dan 21:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It works the same as a Double Horn (See Horn). A fourth key switches between tubing sets for the valves. It is really two insturments in one, a bit like having a double-necked guitar with different tuning on each neck. Heavy Metal Cellist^talk_contribs