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"Then there's my Glove, Defend and open your uncharged Ports, Those Enemies of Timons, and mine owne Whom you your selves shall set out for reproofe, Fall and no more" |
"Then there's my Glove, Defend and open your uncharged Ports, Those Enemies of Timons, and mine owne Whom you your selves shall set out for reproofe, Fall and no more" |
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.... and pledges that his army will obey Athens' laws (although I don't see whether this includes the objects of his revenge): |
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"and to attone your feares With my more Noble meaning, not a man Shall passe his quarter, or offend the streame |
"and to attone your feares With my more Noble meaning, not a man Shall passe his quarter, or offend the streame |
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Of Regular Justice in your Citties bounds, But shall be remedied to your publique Lawes At heaviest answer." |
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This text leads me to think that the bit with the glove is not throwing down the gauntlet, as we think of it, as a sign of challenge, but somehow a sign of accepting the terms of reconciliation. At the end of the play, as in history, Alcibiades returns from Sparta to Athens (...although he later must flee after more shenanigans, but this isn't really an history.) [[User:Rewinn|rewinn]] 04:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC) |
This text leads me to think that the bit with the glove is not throwing down the gauntlet, as we think of it, as a sign of challenge, but somehow a sign of accepting the terms of reconciliation. At the end of the play, as in history, Alcibiades returns from Sparta to Athens (...although he later must flee after more shenanigans, but this isn't really an history.) [[User:Rewinn|rewinn]] 04:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Timon / Alcibiades' reconciliation
Hello! Nice to see your edits on Timon of Athens. However, I hope you will consider leaving in the phrase about Alciabiades' reconciliation with Athens. It explains what the bit about the glove is about; otherwise the article is just cryptic. Also, the contrast between Alcibiades' reconciliation, when he was far more wronged than Timon ever was, and Timon's rather nutty bitterness, is instructive ... and perhaps the point of this rather odd play. rewinn 04:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
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About the glove and reconciliation: when the Senators fail to get Timon to come back to Athens to help deal with Alciabiades (he offers them his last tree with which to hang themselves) they are reduced to haggling with A:
" All have not offended: For those that were, it is not square to take On those that are, Revenge ... With those that haue offended, like a Shepheard, Approach the Fold, and cull th' infected forth, But kill not altogether"
With these words, they are asking him for a sign that he will wreak revenge only on those who did him wrong -- suggesting his glove as a sign (I don't know why).
Alcibiades does offer his glove as a sign of (relative) peace; his revenge is not on Athens but on a few individuals who the Senators shall choose themselves (!):
"Then there's my Glove, Defend and open your uncharged Ports, Those Enemies of Timons, and mine owne Whom you your selves shall set out for reproofe, Fall and no more"
.... and pledges that his army will obey Athens' laws (although I don't see whether this includes the objects of his revenge):
"and to attone your feares With my more Noble meaning, not a man Shall passe his quarter, or offend the streame Of Regular Justice in your Citties bounds, But shall be remedied to your publique Lawes At heaviest answer."
This text leads me to think that the bit with the glove is not throwing down the gauntlet, as we think of it, as a sign of challenge, but somehow a sign of accepting the terms of reconciliation. At the end of the play, as in history, Alcibiades returns from Sparta to Athens (...although he later must flee after more shenanigans, but this isn't really an history.) rewinn 04:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)