Talk:Brian Griffin

Brian Griffin - Voice

I'm not so sure that the "Brian Griffin" voice is actually MacFarlane's natural speaking voice - although it is indeed very close (certainly a lot closer to his actual speaking voice than Peter, Stewie, Quagmire, etc.), I think he uses a slightly deeper register of his actual speaking voice for Brian Griffin. Watch any of MacFarlane's interviews - he sounds similar, but not exactly identical to, Brian Griffin.

However, I haven't made any changes - I'll leave it up to others to decide if they agree with me or not.

Dab for Brian C. Griffin

I added back {{for|the American businessman|Brian C. Griffin}}. clearly this is helpful if you don't know Brian C. Griffin's middle initial. Frietjes (talk) 22:50, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

It's perfectly acceptable. As far as User:Reduolf13's reasoning, look at John Kennedy (disambiguation) for example. CTF83! 00:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, leave it there. But John F. Kennedy (the more famous page) has the middle initial, so people could miss it out. Whereas here (Brian Griffin), there is no initial. If people are genuinely searching specifically for Brian C. Griffin (very few I'd imagine) then they'd remember the C, or correct themselves when they arrive at Brian Griffin's page.

Anyway, you really should only have re-directs for identical names. The middle initial (C) of Brian C. Griffin, removes the identical problem. If there are more than one pages with identical titles, then you have a disambiguation page. Reduolf13.

Death

So, his death is absolutely canon, right? I believe this can absolutely confirm the death of his character. --Matt723star (talk) 02:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not really sure if it can be confirmed. According to the Wikipedia season 12 page, there are two upcoming episodes listing plots about Brian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bear300 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

So the e-online article at http://www.eonline.com/news/484172/family-guy-s-shocking-death-boss-reveals-why-they-decided-to-kill-off-spoiler is a hoax then? Of course there is nothing stopping them from changing their mind and bringing Brian back to life, or using him in flashbacks, or as a ghost. But until they do bring him back to life he is officially dead.

There are no inline citations for any of this section of the article, nor the sentence at the beginning. Taylor2646 (talk) 15:47, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Someone going to lock the article with "he'll likely return" as the end of the introductory paragraph? Lame: right now we know nothing about the future episodes, it's just as possible the released info were feints to throw the fanbase off. 163.150.50.173 (talk) 17:48, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps he'll just be back during flashbacks. From all the articles I've read and even just by watching the episode alone it seems all too possible that this is a serious thing and Brian will no longer be a significant role to the show. --Matt723star (talk) 18:28, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

• I have to agree with Matt723star here, as of I have just reverted a edit by Grapesoda22 for adding a last appearance notice on the article's infobox, because by some of the episodes I have seen that had the main characters dead or been in bloody fighting incidents in which could lead to death, there is no possible way that it could be Brian's last appearance. Blurred Lines 19:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I have a feeling that this is it for him, maybe put his last appearance as "Life of Brian", and if he comes back at all, list below the last episode for him to appear in as a flashback like "Episode Name" (flashback). And of course, if it all is just a publicity stunt, we can always remove it, but for now it seems pretty final. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipodmypod300 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I say we give this a couple more episodes before we declare this as the final appearance of Brain. user:Bear300 —Preceding undated comment added 05:25, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Can we remove that he's been confirmed back? Seth Macfarlane said it was a last minute decision, so the future episodes can be scraped or redone with Vinny.24.188.197.22 (talk) 21:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

We have to reflect what sources say and they say "Brian", so that statement should remain until facts/sourcing changes. DP76764 (Talk) 22:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

The article is from before the episode aired (and possibly before they decided to kill Brian) and can be outdated. We should remove it as to not have possible false info and wait a few weeks until he either returns or doesn't.24.188.197.22 (talk) 22:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

At the end of this YouTube video from Fox it shows another episode was set to air on the 24th, before the "Life of Brian" epsiode was made, explaining unseen clips with Brian. www.youtube.com/vqjT1_r8oeU?t=4m53s 24.188.197.22 (talk) 22:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Apparently, the link you described, I went on it, and the video didn't seem to exist. Blurred Lines 23:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Youtube was being stupid, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqjT1_r8oeU, if it doesn't work, search "Family Guy Season 12 trailer and go to 4:50. It says "Into Harmony's Way" was supposed to air on the 24th.24.188.197.22 (talk) 02:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

To be frank, Wikipedia is looking a little bit ridiculous over this. The dog is dead. Any talk to the contrary is speculation. It's fine to speculate, but Wikipedia articles shouldn't be based on speculation, it undermines its credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.15.175.222 (talk) 14:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Past tense now?

Some paragraphs refer to Brian in the past tense. Should this be spread to all of them, unless/until he ever returns to the show? Tátótát (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Brian is a work of fiction, and as per WP:TENSE - "Thus, generally you should write about fiction using the present tense, not the past tense." Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 21:39, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, we need to change him to past tense. When a human being dies, we change to past tense immediately, and sometimes revert someone doing that because no one believes it at first in sudden cases (see Michael Jackson for instance). We can still watch music videos, listen to music, etc. However, he's still dead. The comment references that Brian "still exists". This is the same thing. We (though not me because I don't) can watch old episodes of Family Guy. But Brian is no longer a character on the show. He's dead. He won't be reappearing unless there is some kind of weird time travel later in the season, and Brian then kills Vinnie. Therefore, "was" is necessary. CycloneGU (talk) 22:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Cyclone, but WP:TENSE is clear, and we as editors cannot arbitrarily choose which fictional characters follow this rule. One of the examples given is "Darth Vader is a fictional character from Star Wars. He's dead too. But he's still listed in present tense. Kjscotte34 (talk) 22:47, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Here's the thing. "Brian Griffin is a fictional character from the animated television series Family Guy". Changing this to "was" makes no sense - he is still a fictional character, and he is still from Family Guy. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 22:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Should be past tense. Here are examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maude_Flanders#Maude_Flanders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recurring_The_Simpsons_characters#.22Bleeding_Gums.22_Murphy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.55.96.229 (talk) 23:38, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

• I'm only talking about the lead. The "Brian Griffin was" edits truly make me go nuts. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 00:07, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

The comment spacing above looks odd, so I'll continue down here.

After some thought, I've come to agree with the use of "is" in the header. Saying "Brian Griffin was a fictional dog" or anything else stating him as a fictional character would be effectively be suggesting that he's now a real dog, or something like that. However, it could be implied even in the lead that he WAS the Griffin's dog as, with the introduction of Vinnie, Brian is no longer the Griffin's dog. That and the fact that he's - er - dead. CycloneGU (talk) 05:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

The 2 examples by the IP are poor. Neither say they were a character on the show. They say "was the wife" and "was a jazz musician", so it's a poor comparison. Is, is proper. CTF83! 20:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I noticed a couple of small errors in the section detailing the Brian/Quagmire relationship, specifically Quagmire's skewering of Brian. As is : In the episode "Jerome Is the New Black", Brian learns that, despite their apparent friendship seen in episodes up to that point, Quagmire actually hates him. Brian tries to befriend Quagmire and asks why he hates him so much. Quagmire responds: "You are the worst person I know. You constantly hit on your best friend's wife, the man pays for your food and rescued you from certain death and this is how you repay him? And to add insult to injury, you defecate all over his yard. And you're such a sponge. You pay for nothing, you always say 'Oh, I'll get you later', but later never comes. And what really bothers me, is you pretend you're this deep guy who loves women for their souls, when all you do is date bimbos. Yeah, I date women for their bodies, but at least I'm honest about it. I don't buy them a copy of Catcher in the Rye and then lecture them with some seventh-grade interruption of how Holden Caulfield is some profound intellectual. He wasn't! He was a spoiled brat! And that's why you like him so much, he's you! God, you're pretentious! And you delude yourself by thinking you're some great writer even though you're terrible. You know, I should had known Cheryl Tiegs didn't write me that note. She would have known there's no 'a' in the word 'definite'. And I think what I hate most about you is your textbook liberal agenda, how we should 'legalize pot, man', how big business is crushing the underclass, how homelessness is the biggest tragedy in America. Well, what have you done to help? I work down at the soup kitchen, Brian. Never seen you down there! You wanna help? Grab a ladle! And by the way, driving a Prius doesn't make you Jesus Christ — oh, wait, you don't believe in Jesus Christ or any religion for that matter, because 'religion is for idiots!' Well, who the hell are you to talk down to anyone!? You failed college twice, which isn't nearly as bad as your failure as a father! How's that son of yours you never see? But you know what? I could forgive all of that — all of it — if you weren't such a bore! That's the worst of it, Brian. You're just a big, sad, alcoholic bore".[29]

  I'm pretty sure Quagmire said "seventh grade INTERPRETATION", not "interruption". And "should have known" for "should had known". Small errors, easy fixes, for someone confirmed to edit locked pages. I'm a little new to this & probably botching it, but I am manxbilly & my source is my memory of the episode.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.219.97 (talk) 03:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC) 

Brian's Announcement Hoax

In the article, The "message from Brian" part is inaccurate. The news reports state "A Special Announcement from Brian". And the owner of the hoax was Swenzy. Which have received large amount of notability for the hoax and for the company itself. Someone add Swenzy and the proper title of the countdown site. For proof of sourcesa and information please go to Swenzy's wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.162.190.150 (talk) 07:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)