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Because whoever isn't a fan of the Ultraman franchise. Firstly , that is not the case, as I said, it has plenty of description about the character himself (power ability , some background) |
Because whoever think that isn't a fan of the Ultraman franchise. Firstly , that is not the case, as I said, it has plenty of description about the character himself (power ability , some background). Secondly, that is what he is , the character was invented for such cases, he doesn't have any series on his own, but an important character in the Ultraman universe, he helps and guilds others , in many ways , he is still mysterious. You can't just use one rule for everything, rather robotic. As I said, it is like there are a group of students or recent graduates in the editor roles. |
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I do not know all the rules and guildlines in Wiki but I come to Wiki for the info. The Japanese version of the page is very imformative (even way beyond the English version) , some are even from someone who is a true fan of the franchise. I can say erasing the Japanese version of the page was a major mistake. Some of the references are hard to find. |
I do not know all the rules and guildlines in Wiki but I come to Wiki for the info. The Japanese version of the page is very imformative (even way beyond the English version) , some are even from someone who is a true fan of the franchise. I can say erasing the Japanese version of the page was a major mistake. Some of the references are hard to find. You are discouraging Japanese from submitting valuable information. They know best for these tokusatsu shows, they created them. |
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I certainly have no problems with the page and I do not see many readers who are complaining but only the "Jedi council" is, they make the decision for the majority of the readers. I understand there are rules to keep the place "clean and neat" but as I said, in this case, it is rather robotic. It is |
I certainly have no problems with the page and I do not see many readers who are complaining but only the "Jedi council" is, they make the decision for the majority of the readers. I understand there are rules to keep the place "clean and neat" but as I said, in this case, it is rather robotic. It is a shame that both versions of the page (among others) are deleted , Wiki has thrown away a lot of valuable information. |
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Revision as of 00:37, 1 January 2015
Ultraman King is a very important character for the Ultraman franchise. He is THE ULTRAMAN , the God of them all. He appears in many Ultraman TV series and movies . Having pages on other ultramen and not Ultraman King is rediculous and is judgement from non fans , not even a tokusatsu fan! Ironically, the original erased Wiki info. on this character is all over the internet (but not on Wiki).
The information on both English and Japanese versions are authentic, they are the same even though they are written by different people (including Japanese, they created the Ultraman franchise) . Anyone who are the fans of Ultraman will tell you the info. on the original page are authentic. Sources?? Well, I can give you the third party sources for every single info. on that page.
"There is no current assertion for future improvement of the article,"
further improvement?? You can be sure there will be new info. regarding the character. Ultraman is a franchise, there will be new TV series , new movies , etc .
Deleting the article is like deleting stand alone pages for Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader for the Star Wars articles. 205.206.217.74 (talk) 17:37, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
- The problem with the article is that Wikipedia articles aren't supposed to consist entirely of plot summaries from some fictional universe. If you're writing about a fictional character then you need to include something else as well. Take a look at our article on Darth Vader: although there is plot summary there it also has plenty of discussion of the creation of the character and its cultural impact, which is why any attempt to delete the article on these grounds would fail. Articles which are entirely plot summary get deleted or merged/redirected to another page about that fictional universe, as this one was.
To address the problem you need to show that it's possible to write an acceptable article about this character which isn't entirely plot summary, in particular pointing to suitable sources we could use for the non-plot summary parts. That's the "improvement" the AfD was talking about. That there will be future fictional works to write plot summaries for or that the character is prominent in the fictional universe don't help. Hut 8.5 11:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
There is no plot in the article , at least not in the Japanese version of the Wiki page.Unless there was something substantially changed in the article the last few months . The article I last read contained appearances of King in different episodes. It contained his power , weapons he used , his ability ,etc. The article had been on Wiki for many years. Suddenly , Wiki has a lot of "absurd" rules possibly dictated by some volunteers. No offense , that reminds me of someone is trying to look busy at work. Do we have people just graduated from some college? Whoever erased the Japanese version of this article, does he/she even read Japanese ?? The Japanese version of the article contains even more in depth info. than the English version, with references, now it is all gone , it is a disastrous decision, it will take a long time and many volunteers to submit those info. again.
The article to which King page is directed even has a complaint about it being too long. Come on, several paragraphs?? I read pages with hi-tech/scientific info. much longer than that. Yes, there is a plot, becuase it is a movie , what else the page can talk about with the movie name as the title of the page. My point is not only about the King article, it is the whole atmosphere within the Wiki volunteer group. Nothing wrong with improving the Wiki site, the information site; but lately, they are taking INFORMATION away in the name of some absurd rules. It is ironic that there are many Ultraman sites with King's info. based on (if not copies of ) the original Wiki page, but the source of the info. is erased from Wiki. I also think it is absurd that only one if not a few people decide which articles are to be erased , even they are not experts in or fans of those topics/subjects. These people don't think about the effect of erasing an article ; also, I can't only see a few people even taking part in the so-called discussion before the page was erased. I am only complaining about this for Wiki's benefits. I can easily goto other sites in which more info. are available. You guys are "taking info." away, the "pedia" part of Wikipedia is gone.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.206.217.74 (talk) 21:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- The article did not contain anything other than an in-universe description of the character's role in various fictional works. That is what WP:NOT#PLOT is trying to prevent. Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information, as you will discover from clicking on that link. This rule is not new and has been in place for at least eight years. Articles about films can and should have information beyond in-universe description of plot elements - things like information on the making of the film, reception, cultural impact, etc. Hut 8.5 23:34, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
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"did not contain anything other than an in-universe description of the character's role in various fictional works"
Because whoever think that isn't a fan of the Ultraman franchise. Firstly , that is not the case, as I said, it has plenty of description about the character himself (power ability , some background). Secondly, that is what he is , the character was invented for such cases, he doesn't have any series on his own, but an important character in the Ultraman universe, he helps and guilds others , in many ways , he is still mysterious. You can't just use one rule for everything, rather robotic. As I said, it is like there are a group of students or recent graduates in the editor roles.
I do not know all the rules and guildlines in Wiki but I come to Wiki for the info. The Japanese version of the page is very imformative (even way beyond the English version) , some are even from someone who is a true fan of the franchise. I can say erasing the Japanese version of the page was a major mistake. Some of the references are hard to find. You are discouraging Japanese from submitting valuable information. They know best for these tokusatsu shows, they created them.
I certainly have no problems with the page and I do not see many readers who are complaining but only the "Jedi council" is, they make the decision for the majority of the readers. I understand there are rules to keep the place "clean and neat" but as I said, in this case, it is rather robotic. It is a shame that both versions of the page (among others) are deleted , Wiki has thrown away a lot of valuable information.