Talk:Lilian Garcia

Eddie Tribute

Where can I see her tribute video to Eddie Guerrero? Eenu 20:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure wwe.com probably has it.

WWE.com doesn't have it. Eenu 20:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

IMDB link

We badly need a 3rd opinion or more here. IMDB has an exhaustive list covering Lilian's career with WWE, and several other wrestlers have links to IMDB from Wikipedia. In fact, there are several fansites with superior-quality information about her than the ones listed here; it makes me wonder if the fansites listed here are just self-serving spam. In any case, I feel IMDB is an appropriate link. If anyone besides AutumnLeaves or myself has any input, it would be appreciated.--24.196.175.110 11:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

I deleted the second photo of Lillian Garcia because it was just a smaller version of the first one. No need to take up bandwith.

The two photos are not the same. The only thing similar about the two photos is that she is wearing the same outfit. --Jenn 04:03, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

There is no compelling reason to delete the IMDB link. Almost every other celebrity has their IMDB link intact on Wikipedia, and it contains information which isn't available at Wikipedia.--24.196.175.110 19:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

she's not a movie actress and that part is for offical sites of her's or her workplace

She is a television performer, and IMDB contains much more information about her work history than any other site listed. Also, as the Wiki article states, she did appear in at least one movie. Please stop deleting helpful content. --24.196.175.110 09:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

She appeared in one movie, in which the site you listed doesn't even LIST. The link section below is for her fansites and offical sites. There are hundreds of "info" sites out there, if there is one added that isn't fansite/offical site, what is to stop all of those from being posted? You seem to hijack this page a lot, and for no real reason. It is very disrespectful.

Continued deletion of content is considered vandalism. Stephanie McMahon has an IMDB link, but it persists because it is helpful and relevant. Please stop vandalizing this page. --24.196.175.110 09:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalizing? Me? No. You are. You are doing this for one reason, and one reason only. You are disrespecting the hardwork people put into this page by spreading links that don't belong here. You need to leave your links out of this page, it has no reliable information on it. Which is also breaking Wiki rules. So learn your facts before you post links that don't belong.

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.--24.196.175.110 10:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Jackie Gayda

I do remember Gayda stripping Garcia, but I do not believe it was to result in a striptease match. I don't deny there was a rumor going around, but this was not one that made it to mainstream.

Two Photos

Is this page large enough to warrant two photos? I don't think so. OsFan 18:38, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Birthdate

Lilian Garcia graduated from Irmo High School in Columbia, SC in 1984 at the age of 17. The 1966 birthdate is corroborated at IMDB.com.

First of all, where on earth did you get that she "graduated in 1984" ??? Also, IMDB is NOT a reliable source ! They have many times got many peoples birthdays completely wrong ! And honestly, does Lilian look 40 to you !!!! Use your common sense! - J.D. 6 May 2006

Female entertainers have a long tradition of shaving off the years.

I'm not sure if you're trying to suggest some sort of plastic surgery with that 1 sentence reply, but you would really need proof for that to be considered in this matter about her year of birth, and I doubt you have any. Getting back to the issue however, where did you get "graduated in 1984" from ??? You MUST cite your reference otherwise it will be removed. and again IMDB is NOT a reliable source. - J.D. 6 May 2006

No, I am not implying any plastic surgery, I was only referring to the birthdate. Searching the web, I've found 1966, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, and 1975 listed as her year of birth. The 1984 comment was made here, in the talk section, so removing it is pointless. IMDB is as reliable a source as any other website's, and I can assure you with 100% confidence that her birth certificate & driver's license show her birth year as 1966. Yes, IMDB can be wrong, but I don't see any more reliable sites cited.

She graduated from Irmo High School in Columbia, SC in 1984. She was a finalist in the Miss South Carolina pageant in 1985. She graduated U. of South Carolina in 1988. Those are verifiable facts, and when someone makes the necessary phone calls (not me), they will all say the same thing: She was born in 1966.

Just out of random curiosity, how did you see her birth certificate and driver's license? Also, please sign your comments in some fashion. --Naha|^(talk) 00:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, listen, how can you "assure me with 100% confidence" that her birth certificate & drivers license says 66??? How?? The only way is if you have seen them personally ! Have you?? and again you are on about the 84 graduation and i had asked you to tell us your source for this information-you said "the 1984 comment was made here", what do you mean it was made here in talk, so what if someone said it here, that doesn't mean anything.

Well anyway, I have FOUND a RELIABLE source for Lilian's age, that being Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter. It regularly publishes Wrestler data such as this, and Lilian's age, (as well as others) was published in a july 2005 edition of the newsletter, stating Lilian's age at the time as 31 (turning 32 the following month ), meaning that she will be turning 33 this year so she WAS born in 1973! Unless you have some indesputible evidence to the contrary, this case about her age is closed ! - J.D. 7 May 2006

J.D., you should get a Wikipedia account :) --Naha|^(talk) 12:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I went to high school with Lilian & her sister. Lilian graduated high school in 1984, and she wasn't 10 or 11 at the time. To assert that a Wrestling Newsletter is more reliable than IMDB.com is laughable. I understand that you want to believe she's younger than she is, but she is, in fact, as old as she is...and as of May 2006, Lilian Garcia is 39 years old. It is to her credit that she appears more youthful. Believe what you like, keep making this page a farce, but she was born in 1966--there's no case to open about it.--24.196.175.110 14:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thats pretty cool. In regards to IMDB, however, the website does not engage in fact checking. You e-mail them something, they add it without giving it a second thought. Yes, it has a lot of correct information, but it has a ton of incorrect information as well. Anything from IMDB must be crosschecked with other references if they exist. --Naha|^(talk) 17:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that. The problem is that other websites usually take their information from other websites such as IMDB and Wikipedia. Of all websites with information on Lilian Garcia, IMDB & Wikipedia seem far and away the most credible, the rest are WWE fansites.

The "Don't ask the age of a lady" factor is also at play here. I imagine some young fans don't like the notion of being attracted to a 40-year old. Too bad. It is only my intention to add some info about Lilian which isn't Wrestling related. There's no internet confirmation that Dalia Garcia is Lilian's sister, but I see no objections to that tidbit. If that piece of information survives on Wikipedia, eventually it should make its way to a WWE-related site. And then it will be "crosscheck-able" against itself. Cases like this, of course, highlight the inherent weakness of open-source information sites like Wikipedia & IMDB. I'm not a Wikipedia expert by any stretch. But I do know Lilian Garcia graduated from Irmo High School in 1984.  :)

I underestimated the ferocity with which Wrestling fans may sometimes adhere to the corporate fantasy storyline. I'll leave it from here, I think the article is in much better shape than when I came so maybe that's something.

Oops, forgot to sign --24.196.175.110 18:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Very true, very true. --Naha|^(talk) 18:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

YOU (24.196.175.110) are the one making this page a farce. If we just let anyone come on a wikipedia page and say "hey I know him/her" or "I went to school with him/her" and then just let them edit articles in any way they like, reliability of this site would hit rock bottom in an instant as ANYONE could do that. So to let you just change her year of birth, just because you "say" you went to school with her, with ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF AT ALL is just ABSURD and IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ! Also your lack of wrestling knowledge is very obviously displayed by your statement about the wrestling observer. You've proably never even heard of it or Dave Meltzer, and for you to even suggest that IMDB is a "more reliable" source for wrestling info than Dave Meltzer & the observer, now THAT is laughable!! Very very ridiculous statement. If you knew anything, you would know that Dave Melzter and his "Wrestling Observer" are as reliable a source as you can get for wrestling ! And as far as IMDB goes, they actually aren't a reliable source in general, I have seen with my own eyes them post completely incorrect age information !!! So IMDB cannot be used as the "sole" source, ESPECIALLY for wrestling ! The Observer clearly outranks IMDB for reliability in wrestling information and therefore, until more conclusive evidence is brought forward to the contrary, The Observers figure for Lilian's age will be used as it's the most reliable source we have at this moment.

I also just want to make clear, this is not about me "wanting to believe she is younger" as you accuse. I just want the TRUTH, or the most accurate and reliable information available to us. And that clearly is not with IMDB especially when the Wrestling Observer is contradicting it, and its also absurd to let some anonymous individual just come on here and post any age they like just because they "say" they went to school with Lilian with absolutely NO PROOF ! That simply is not acceptable. Look, at the end of it all, she "may" be 40, and if she is, then WOW she is the hottest 40 year old i've ever seen !! But until there is more conclusive proof or more reliable sources saying so, as far as the information here goes, she is 32, turning 33 later this year ! - J.D. 7 May 2006

Calm down folks, we can have a conversation here without getting all snippy. While its true we can't write something just because someone claims it is true via personal experience, you can say that without jumping all over them. "I'd like to believe you, but unfortunatly you can't prove it so we can't use it" is short, simple, and to the point. I am not going to take sides in this argument, yet anyway. IMDB can be faulty, as I've already stated. I'm familiar with Dave Meltzer and Wrestling Observer Newsletter. I read it, I enjoy it, but that is besides the point. You have not proved that "The Observer clearly outranks IMDB.." in any fashion. So what, exactly, about Meltzer makes his work reliable? Does he cite sources? IF so, what are they? As far as I know, he's never worked for the WWE or any other promotion, he's just a fan... I could do the digging too, but I'm not the one trying to prove he's a good source. Please give us some more information. --Naha|^(talk) 23:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've removed all my contributions. Enjoy your facts! --24.196.175.110 11:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

• sigh* --Naha|^(talk) 12:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

me too - Sheila - July 2006

"→Umm yep she does turn 40 this year. I too know her and yes she does look great. She recently devorced her no good husband. She does not date a wrestler, the wrestle thing is all drama. She has a normal nice boyfriend and lives in NYC--TabathaB 01:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)Sheila"

TabathaB/Sheila : Please understand that we can't just let random anonymous internet users come onto wikipedia articles and just change things like peoples birthday simply because they "say" they "know them". If we did, then absolutely ANYBODY could do that on ANY article, and it would all just be a big mess. If you really DO know Lilian, please could you provide PROOF or just some evidence that you do. It would really be great to have someone here who really does know Lilian, so I truly hope you can show some evidence that you do know her. But until then, the changes to her birthday will be changed back. I hope to hear from you soon TabathaB/Sheila. - J.D. 26 June 2006

Another message for TabathaB/Sheila : I was really hoping to get a positive reply back concerning the issues addressed above, but instead you just deleted your comment and gave up and left !! WHY??? Why is it that every time someone comes here and says "hey I know Lilian" and makes changes to the article, and then as soon as they are just asked to provide some EVIDENCE that they really DO know Lilian, they say forget it and leave ??? The only reason would be that these people dont really know her. I really do hope that someone does, like you TabathaB/Sheila , and who can provide some proof that you do know her, because someone like that can GREATLY help this article. Please don't "give up and leave", your help can be greatly appreciated here. Please, I await to here from you. - J.D. 2 July 2006

It's because you can't easily prove that you know someone, or have met someone, or have gone to school with someone, on the internet. However, it is fun to watch someone spend so much energy to ensure that the wrong birthdate is listed. --24.196.175.110 22:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'VE GOT IT !!!! 24.196.175.110 READ THIS ok NOW we can verify her highschool graduation date once and for all, well I mean with your help 24.196.175.110. You say you went to Irmo High School with Lilian, ok then, Irmo High School has an Alumni website where ALL their past students from every class/year is listed ! BUT you have to be an alumni and register on the site to be able to log in and access that information. Being an alumni yourself, you are the one who could do this, do u have an account there?? If you dont you can simply register online, BUT heres the thing, once registered, to log in it asks only for e-mail and password, so for the time being register with a temporary e-mail and password (which you can easily change later) and post here what that temporary e-mail and password is so that I can log into the site and see for myself the class of 84's page and verify that Lilian garcia's name is there. This would 99.9% VERIFY your claim ! The site is : http://irmo.alumniclass.com/index.php Finally! Lets do this and find out the truth once and for all ! Great, I'm waiting to hear from you 24.196.175.110 ! - J.D. 7 July 2006

The site only lists those alumni who have registered, and it also says "This site has no association with the school or school district." So anyone can register there, and you can feel free to register there yourself. Also, please sign your Wikipedia comments with 4 tildes (~). --24.196.175.110 17:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

- yeah I see your point, so therefore the reliability of this site isn't high unfortunately. ok look, seriously don't you have any single shred of tangible proof to back up your claims, like your high school year book, or other school documents/newsletters, pictures, videos, like ANYTHING at ALL ?!?!? These can all be uploaded onto the internet and used as references. We just need something a bit more than simply a one sentence "I used to know her". Im sure you can find something. - J.D. 10 July 2006

I do have a yearbook with her photo in it, but if I scan the photo it won't prove anything, since it doesn't have a date on the same page. Even if it did, how could I prove that I didn't Photoshop it? Meh...Lilian joins Nancy Reagan and Ann Coulter as "mystery birthdates on Wikipedia". So much for the Internet.--24.196.175.110 13:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)