Talk:U-KISS

Referencing

Ive been visiting this page for a long time, allow me to add reference to everything that was written here. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JmKissme (talk • contribs) 11:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)  Done

Members Section

There has been a Members Section added again on the page. Although i can see that it's just okay top put the infos. But i'm thinking that Wikipedia requires some sources. Please help in adding sources. jmarkfrancia (talk) 13:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Page Cleaning

Hello, since the page of UKISS has been tagged for reimprovement and cleaning. I already fixed the data so it would fall in categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JmKissme (talk • contribs) 11:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Members section

For some time now a few editors have been trying repeatedly to insert a members section into this article with very trivial information such as blood type, weight, height, etc. Time and time again, trivial information like this has been removed from many bands, especially Korean boy bands or girl groups. Most if not all of the information should not be included because it bears no real significance to the band. As for what material might still fit in this article, it can be included in the general content, not in a list, of course only if it is sourced. I will again remove the members section, but if you disagree with me, make your argument here. Do not restore it again without bringing your arguments here. Sorafune +1 22:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC) jmarkfrancia (talk) 16:28, 21 January 2012 (UTC)  Done

Referencing

Hi everyone who's helping to edit this article. Thanks for your help in trying to help other people to understand and know U-KISS more. Just wondering, if anyone is familiar with the referencing process, can you please help to reference some websites for this article. Your help will be greatly appreciated! A referenced article is an article whom people trust more! Thankyou(: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Libeika (talk • contribs) 14:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)  Done

 Done I already added Refernces to most parts of the page to make it reliably source. jmarkfrancia (talk) 04:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Xander and Kibum leaving U-KISS

Yeah, I've heard about it just today and I must say I am very shocked.

However, I must say the level of unnecessary spam by the fans here is not good. This is Wikipedia, not a blog!!

Since I'm not that great at editing 'big' things on Wikipedia, because I'm too chicken to do so...someone please help? ^^ Because honestly I don't like seeing an article like this.

WTF is with the 'RIP GOOD UKISS' thing BTW?! o_0

Spongalicious (talk) 07:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Jae91, 27 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

The information regarding Kim Kibum's departure from the group has been addressed. According to Kibum, the company told the group that they were going to replace two of the members. Kibum was one of the members to be replaced and Alexander was the other. The company requested that Kibum sign a contract dissolution, which he signed because he saw within himself that he was indeed lacking as a singer.

Alexander's contract however was not cancelled, he was just pulled from the band.

http://www.allkpop.com/2011/02/kim-kibum-explains-his-departure-from-u-kiss http://www.allkpop.com/2011/02/u-kisss-kim-kibum-provides-further-detail-on-withdrawal-on-kbss-entertainers Jae91 (talk) 23:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: {{edit semi-protected}} is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. Since the page is no longer protected, the edit can be made directly. I have no idea if the edit should be made or not, but that can be worked out through discussion if there is objection to the edit. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Members section

Please stop adding a "Members" section that only consists of the names and birth dates. 1) Birthdates are irrelevant to the topic of this article, the band. 2) Birthdates, even if they were somehow relevant REQUIRE SOURCES 3) A members section onsisting only of the names of the band is duplicative because it is already covered as it should be in the lead paragraph.

As long as inappropriate "Members" sections continue to be added, THEY WILL BE REMOVED ON SIGHT.Active Banana (^bananaphone 12:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done

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UPDATING

If you are about to put information in the page and you are not sure where to put it, please post it in the talk page first so we can sort informations very well. And ofcourse, don't forget to add here the source. jmarkfrancia (talk) 08:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

A-Class Status

Do you think this article is qualified to be an A-Class Article? jmarkfrancia (talk) 10:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

• No. It's loaded with trivia and excessive detail, it's excessively wikilinked, and not well enough referenced. It's a fan page disguised as an article. Drmies (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Full protection

I see an edit war about to start here. I see a big difference in opinion about how much detail to include. I have a hunch which side matches policy, but I'll leave it to all of you to sort out. Please note that this protection is not, in any way, an endorsement of the current version of the article; I simply protected it at the most recent edit. If you all can't come to an agreement, try dispute resolution. Since it looks like a major part of the concerns revolves around WP:UNDUE, I recommend that if discussion isn't fruitful here, you try the neutral point of view noticeboard, which handles UNDUE issues. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

• Fair enough. Well, let's start. *Sigh* Qwyrxian, do you have any idea how many of these fansites for Korean boy bands we have? If those editors would spend half that amount of time on subjects that really matter, we'd be riding high. BTW, I wish you had protected my version, haha. This is totally a mess, and I may go as for as calling on the BLP destructor. I think you know who I mean. Drmies (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Current version and its various problems

The current, protected version is a mess and totally out of whack with Wikipedia's guidelines: trivia, excessive detail, unreliable sources--basically, fan talk. But before we tackle such stuff as WP:UNDUE and WP:RS, perhaps a clear violation of the BLP guidelines can be made clear; perhaps there is one thing we can agree on initially.

This edit is unacceptable. First of all, it bloats the article with trivial information which does it no favors--look, for instance, at how a Featured Article, U2, tackles the list of members: you'll have to look carefully and then you'll find four names in the infobox. That's all. Second, these people have their own articles, which is where ALL this information should be found. Third, the birth dates are unverified, and a quick look at Yeo Hoonmin tells me that it's not even verified in his own article. Obviously I am not counting the band's own site as a reliable sources. In short: it's not properly verified, it's out of place, it's redundant, it's not found in good articles--it's fan talk. Drmies (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

• Okay. I understand now. But can you please let me edit the page for a week, so i can sort and delete out-of-place and unimportant informations. Then ill let you check it after for another reimprovement? Please?. jmarkfrancia (talk) 04:41, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I would love for you to go over this stuff, and I appreciate your excellent manners: they are really too good for this place, in that you don't have to ask permission to do anything. But you are showing a good collaborative spirit and that's great. Good luck! Drmies (talk) 13:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just rolled back two IP edits, and I am about to semi-protect the talk page. I believe that this will be my first "offical" Rouge admin act. While I have no reason to believe that those edits were wrong, I believe that the only way we can make progress on this article is to give JmKissme a little space to do the revisions he speaks of. I think a week is a little bit long, but I don't think lasting damage will be done, so I'm going to hit SP for 1 week. Note, though, that during/after that time, we do need to attend to the WP:UNDUE, WP:OR, and WP:FANCRUFT issues that Drmies raises above. Let's try to bring this article under control (i.e., so that it covers the band in an encyclopedic way); exactly where that line lies will need to be determined by interested editors. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:25, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I did reimprove the Life and Career portion but it is kinda hard to gather some references that's why i asked for a week. Anyways, thank you for letting me edit ang improve the page. May i just ask if the Members section is already acceptable or it is better to just remove the details for each member and just list them? I just had an ocular inspection to other Korean boyband articles in Wikipedia (especially the page of SHINee wherein it is listed as Good Article), it has also a members section same to this article. I need your opinion regarding this one. Thank you. jmarkfrancia (talk) 08:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Stick with a list. That's enough, and it's unproblematic in that it does not require verification. Thanks for your interest, JmKissme. Drmies (talk) 22:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Got it. Thank you for your effort to edit the page. I will continue to monitor this page, just in case some editors are trying to add again the members info. :)) jmarkfrancia (talk) 01:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 September 2012

A lot of the positions of this team is wrong. Dongho- Sub-Vocalist, Rapper, Maknae; Soohyun- Main Vocalist, Leader; Kiseop- Sub-Vocalist, Main Dancer, Visual; Eli- Main Rapper; Hoon- Lead Vocalist; AJ- Lead Rapper; Kevin- Main Vocalist, Lead Dancer; 143.88.0.213 (talk) 16:44, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 17:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: User:203.173.214.122 changed the answered state of this request without providing any additional details. I am resetting it to answered.  — daranz [ t ] 20:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

• Those aren't the official positions listed under any of their official sites therefore, they cannot be included. And Maknae and Visuals are a position. You don't have a specific role for being the youngest or the most beautiful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.162.169 (talk) 18:04, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Members table

Please do not re-add the member table. Use a simple list with stage and given names or put them in prose. The goal is to have a nice section in prose eventually. However, since most members have their own articles, it is not really needed on this particular article. Member tables are bulky and add no relevant information to the article; birthdays are not appropriate on group articles. Please take a look at articles of groups outside kpop for further guidance. Thanks and happy editing! :) Shinyang-i (talk) 05:12, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand why you and your clique keep messing with multiple KPOP related articles and keep retracting valid information. I suspect one of you (TerryAlex, Dr.K, Drmies, you) to have deleted Lee Kiseop's wikipedia page as well. I'm now aware that your group is for some reason editing and deleting information from KPOP articles for no reason other than spite and dislike for Korean Entertainment.

First of all, how could you cite UKISS' Japanese profiles and then get their own names wrong? It's LEE Jun-Young not KIM Jun-Young. It's YEO HoonMin not TEO HoonMin. Why are you editing something and citing at the end when you don't even bother to check the cite itself? Then you keep reverting changed to the version with error. That's ridiculous.

How are members tables bulky? They organize the area and make it easier to comprehend the roles/names/ages/etc. of each member. It's important to recognize age as well as whether a member is currently active or not in the group itself. It doesn't matter if some of the members have their own wikipedia articles, there is no harm in adding their ages/roles on the main group article. UKISS' Wikipedia page had always had almost a members table until you recently changed it.

Listing the member's names like you have done is entirely messy as you've added no organization into the list.

Let me add the members table back in, I will cite it so that will not be a problem. It looks way more organized. Tables are not bulky, they are obviously there to organize information. Members names are already listed in the start paragraph of UKISS' article so what is the point of having them listed again in such an unorganized way? If the information is both on their official Korean and Japanese websites then why do you consider it so unnecessary to the point where you just can't stand the sight of birthdates and ages in Korean Group articles? Venate (talk) 23:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)