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Hello William A. Kelley and welcome to Wikipedia! I am Ukexpat and I would like to thank you for your contributions.

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ukexpat (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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ukexpat (talk) 18:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: The beginning of thermodynamics, Sadi carnot's book "Reflections on the motive power of heat" (December 26)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by FireflySixtySeven was:

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

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FireflySixtySeven (talk) 01:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! William A. Kelley, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! FireflySixtySeven (talk) 01:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Counter-flow Heat Exchanger (January 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by StarryGrandma was:

The article Heat exchanger has a list of types. It will be more useful to add this material there. Use a textbook as a reference rather than online lecture materials. They tend to go away. Leave out sentences like " It may be referenced in most first year college physics books." Put "Thanks to www.desmos.com for educational graph creation used to create the attached graphs." into the description pages for the graphs. It will be helpful information there.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

William A. Kelley (talk) 18:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)May I get some feedback on a couple questions? I considered altering the heat exchanger article. The counter flow exchanger is less a different type of heat exchanger than a different class of heat exchanger. By analogy, heat engine brings to mind auto engines and the many types, but rockets are also heat engines, and one would not list rocket as a type next to deisel and gas, as there are as many types of rockets as auto engines. Similarly, there are many types of counter flow exchangers. The usual heat exchanger is some variation of a radiator, and may deal with two fluids as a car radiator, or a solid and a fluid, like the heat sink on your computer chip. Counter flow implies two fluids, and has the property of allowing up to 100% exchange, whereas the radiator always has a limit of producing a weighted average of temperatures. So, I'd consider counter flow as a different class of heat exchanger, with its own list of types. Anyway such was my reasoning.[reply]

William A. Kelley (talk) 18:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)I learned about counter flow exchangers in both high school and freshman physics, decades ago. I looked at half a dozen freshmen physics books, and did not find it listed. Its not in style anymore. The MIT course has a clear intention of being a web published work. It is also instantly available to all, for a more in depth study than is appropriate for Wikipedia. It is also as unimpeachable a source as there is. In any case, it was the only reference I was able to find, and as it is unwise to publish without a good reference, and equally unwise to pretend a device in use since 1870 does not exist my reasoning was to use that reference. I intended to remove the comment about the availability of references once i failed to find them as expected, but frankly forgot. MIT has many examples of types, computations reelated to, etc. The citation given at the course is: ^[1]. meaning they expect to be cited.[reply]

William A. Kelley (talk) 18:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)So, please tell your guidance on these two questions and I will follow gladly.[reply]

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StarryGrandma (talk) 22:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

^ Keith Nelson, and Moungi Bawendi. 5.60 Thermodynamics & Kinetics, Spring 2008. (Massachusetts Institute of Technology: MIT OpenCourseWare), http://ocw.mit.edu (Accessed 23 Jan, 2015)

[1] Keith Nelson, and Moungi Bawendi. 5.60 Thermodynamics & Kinetics, Spring 2008. (Massachusetts Institute of Technology: MIT OpenCourseWare), http://ocw.mit.edu (Accessed 23 Jan, 2015)

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+[[User:William A. Kelley|William A. Kelley]] ([[User talk:William A. Kelley#top|talk]]) 18:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)May I get some feedback on a couple questions? I considered altering the heat exchanger article. The counter flow exchanger is less a different type of heat exchanger than a different class of heat exchanger. By analogy, heat engine brings to mind auto engines and the many types, but rockets are also heat engines, and one would not list rocket as a type next to deisel and gas, as there are as many types of rockets as auto engines. Similarly, there are many types of counter flow exchangers. The usual heat exchanger is some variation of a radiator, and may deal with two fluids as a car radiator, or a solid and a fluid, like the heat sink on your computer chip.
+Counter flow implies two fluids, and has the property of allowing up to 100% exchange, whereas the radiator always has a limit of producing a weighted average of temperatures. So, I'd consider counter flow as a different class of heat exchanger, with its own list of types. Anyway such was my reasoning.
+[[User:William A. Kelley|William A. Kelley]] ([[User talk:William A. Kelley#top|talk]]) 18:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)I learned about counter flow exchangers in both high school and freshman physics, decades ago. I looked at half a dozen freshmen physics books, and did not find it listed. Its not in style anymore. The MIT course has a clear intention of being a web published work. It is also instantly available to all, for a more in depth study than is appropriate for Wikipedia. It is also as unimpeachable a source as there is. In any case, it was the only reference I was able to find, and as it is
+unwise to publish without a good reference, and equally unwise to pretend a device in use since 1870 does not exist my reasoning was to use that reference.
+I intended to remove the comment about the availability of references once i failed to find them as expected, but frankly forgot. MIT has many examples
+of types, computations reelated to, etc.
+The citation given at the course is: <ref>Keith Nelson, and Moungi Bawendi. 5.60 Thermodynamics & Kinetics, Spring 2008. (Massachusetts Institute of Technology: MIT OpenCourseWare), http://ocw.mit.edu (Accessed 23 Jan, 2015)</ref>. meaning they expect to be cited.
+[[User:William A. Kelley|William A. Kelley]] ([[User talk:William A. Kelley#top|talk]]) 18:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)So, please tell your guidance on these two questions and I will follow gladly.
 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to [[Draft:Counter-flow Heat Exchanger]] and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.<!-- end cv #ifeq -->