Talk:Sleaford

Considered for deletion??

I cannot believe that the wikifascists are considering this for deletion! Yet there it is, a banner declaring such, at the top of the page, dated June 2007. A classic example of why people no longer bother with creating great wikipedia pages like this one. (Anon 23:32, 2nd Aug 2007.

And currently there is a Refimprove banner on a page with 23 citations. If it is still there in a months time I will remove it.--Brunnian (talk) 07:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Post Dissolution Landowners

Quote:

• "From 1556 the ownership of the town and its lands passed from the church to local absentee landowners."

Question:

• Were they local or were they absentees? (RJP 13:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC))

Rename?

Should we rename Sleaford to Sleaford, Lincolnshire as that is what Wikipedia Naming Conventions dictates. --Jhfireboy I'm listening 08:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

No they don't. We'd only have it at Sleaford, Lincolnshire if there were other important Sleafords, which there aren't even any other ones. Morwen - Talk 08:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

There is another Sleaford in Hampshire. --Jhfireboy I'm listening 08:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Ok, then we need to make a diambiguation link to it because it isn't a big one. I shall do this. Morwen - Talk 09:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

true?

"These three schools feed a unique joint sixth-form consortium (pictured below).Even though the school has had many good ofsted reports many of the students come out depressed and dont get good grades There are also the nurseries. They are Redcroft Day Nursery, Woodside Children's Nursey, Happy Day Nursery and Sleaford Day Nursery."

Is there any references for this?

I can tell you that it is true, although Happy Days has since closed down. I will endeavour to find a research Mxb design (talk) 18:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Do we not need some mention about the close of flicks nightclub? 91.104.11.207 (talk) 12:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

done :) --83.105.91.203 (talk) 13:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC) (errant)

Notable Sleafordians

9 January 2012.

Of 18 “Notable Sleafordians”, 11 are acknowledged in their article as having some kind of association with Sleaford. However, Wikipedia does not self-reference – just because an article says someone was a “Sleafordian” in some fashion, doesn’t mean that another article can use it for reference. Of the 11 that note Sleaford, 9 are not referenced for necessary proof:

• The Handley family of Sleaford
• Spence Broughton
• John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford
• Charles Shannon
• Bernie Taupin
• Mark Wallington
• "Bill" Wright
• 22-20s
• Lois Wilkinson – was blue linked inside The Caravelles

The other 2 have viable refs that I have now transferred to the article:

• Jennifer Saunders
• Eric Thompson

All have editorialising as uncited description added next to the names. These names could be associated with Sleaford, but WP is cornerstoned with Verifiability. Also there are many of the reffed and unreffed that state a tenuous link with Sleaford, and sometimes suck-in “notables” from the surrounding area and villages. The yardstick is that the notable was born in Sleaford and/or spent a considerable time of their life in Sleaford. There is no proof of this for any except for the two referenced.

I have added a template to the section questioning the validity of the list. My view is that only the verified Saunders and Thompson should remain for now; the others removed until references for association are found. A less radical view would be to remove all but those who mention Sleaford in their articles. The 7 that have no refs in the Sleaford article and make no mention of Sleaford in their own article should certainly go. Acabashi (talk) 01:47, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I have no wish to be unnecessarily sarcastic (or enter into a flame war), but I think you're being unnecessarily harsh in making a statement such as "The 7 that have no refs in the Sleaford article and make no mention of Sleaford in their own article should certainly go." As you clearly have a lot more time available than others of us who contribute to this article, might I please suggest you visit the local history section of Sleaford's library on Market Place, where I'm sure you will find more than adequate information on the Hussey's, Broughtons, Handley and other families to keep you occupied? - GrahamSmith (talk) 18:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a list; convention on lists is that if a referenced article exists on the subject that verifies the link then that is acceptable. I agree that any individuals without their own article would need a source - however if someone has a Wikipedia article (and are thus notable) with a cited connection to Sleaford then this is meets WP:V. Verification does not require us to use what I like to term the "brain-dead level" of referencing :) and as far as I can see all of the listed individuals have reasonable (some can be improved; but you should aim to improve them rather than delete). -Errant ^(chat!) 18:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

By the way; I wrote the Handley's article and I assure you it is adequately referenced that they lived in Sleaford - perhaps you need to take a closer look :) and as Graham says research the offline sources. At the local history level you are not likely to find anything worthwhile online, legwork or nothing :) --Errant ^(chat!) 18:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

On the other hand I agree a few of them are a bit tenuous; Mark Wallington (footballer), for example. Not really a "Sleafordian", so I removed him. --Errant ^(chat!) 19:01, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm concerned about some of the above. For example, if you allow Jennifer Saunders and Bernie Taupin, you must allow Mark Wallington because he was not only born at Sleaford, but, to my own knowledge, also lived there significantly longer (for at least 17 years) than either Saunders (known to have been born in Sleaford but lived in Cranwell only for the first few years of her life) or Taupin (known to have been born at Anwick (which is not the same as Sleaford) and had moved out of the area by the age of 11).

You might argue that Saunders should be retained, despite her short connection, but Taupin certainly ought to go as his connection with the town is extremely tenuous.

In addition, of the two references in Saunder's WP article, one (bfi screenonline) is as reputable a source as, say, imdb.com, and as the other (The Times) requires a paid subscription to access the web site, it is therefore inaccessible to ad hoc enquiries to use as a source.

I would be interested on all of your takes on this. Not only because of its impact on Mark Wallington, but others presently or previously included on the list (for example: Saunders, Taupin, Abi Titmuss, Gary Crosby etc). There seems to be a choice between operating on one set (as at present, and reinstating some who have been removed) or another (remove some who are present but for whom there are no acceptable and verifiable citations.

If there are some rules, or exceptions, let us apply them even-handedly. Twistlethrop (talk) 04:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)