Talk:Abu Hanifa Dinawari

Put the records right please

Note Dinwari according to Encyclopedia Iranica is not Kurdish. Also Yaqubi, the geographer and traveller maintains that Dinvar is a city whose inhabitants are a mixture of Arabs and Ajams.

According to prof. Mehrdad R. Izady he was a Kurd. Kirmashan and Dinawar are also predominantly Kurdish. Yaqubi says "Dinawar is a city whose inhabitants are a mixture of Arabs and Ajams." - Ajam originally means non-arabs, but has later come to define especially Persians, but the original meaning is non-arabs.

Dinawari was Kurdish. Just look at his book about the ancestors of Kurds. It's clearly written in a Kurd's POV. Plus, many of the Kurdish principalities/dynasties were circulated around Dinawar so Kurds did clearly form the majority of that area. There are no sign of him being Persian so I don't know why Encyclopedia Iranica is writing that he was Persian. But it's also important to know that around this time Kurds were seen as nomadic tribes of Persia and were also sometimes labeled as Persians. But still, he was what we today call Kurds and NOT Persian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.87.235 (talk) 20:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

This is very strange. Was Dinawari, whom was from the same kurdish tribe as my family, a persian who was among THE FIRST whom wrote about persian ancestry in a book about the KURDISH people? This makes no sense. Clearly it is the work of persian nationalists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.162.94.91 (talk) 04:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I changed the article a bit; he most likely was a Kurd, since he was born in Dinavar, and wrote a book about the ancestry of the Kurds; but we can't be certain, and since there are academic sources that say he was a Persian (though, this is no doubt because every Iranian is considered Persian by default untill proven otherwise), we have to respect that. Znertu (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC).

I think the IRANICA and Enc of Islam believe it was just a common practice that in 900AC people work up and wrote about things that did not matter to them. Abu Hanifa was not Kurdish but wrote about his own ancestry in his own word. 1200 years later an Arab, Persian find it professionally and ethical amusing to just ignore the writers word and say "We believe that Dinewer is in Iran and there for he was Persian". The X scholar guy has never been close to Dinewer and he even can not pronounce the name. Even today area are mostly inhabitant by the Kurds, and predominate by Yarsans. Even today the best fruit, dairy products are form Dinewr area. When you go to shops in down town Kirmashah the store proudly tells you, they have Yoghurt from Dinewer. Well Prof Izady rightly put the record correct and being a Muslim does not make you Persian or Arab. IRANICA is based on lie and deceiving ethical of scholarly work. Made up 2500 years of history with no references, No Iranian ruled in Iran between Hakhamaneshi and Pahlawi dynasty, but they still dig and falsify the history. If it was not for Taymore Persian was replaced by Arabic and Turkish. One need to be truthful to history to be able to write about history.