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:::{{replyto|Bree's Block}} I have noticed you doing this on railway-related articles several times over the last few weeks: {{diff|Midland Railway|prev|651011874|Midland Railway}} (12 March 2015); {{diff|Rail accidents at Morpeth|prev|651652883|Rail accidents at Morpeth}} (16 March); {{diff|British Rail Class 222|prev|653280931|British Rail Class 222}} (24 March); {{diff|British Rail Class 42|prev|653843601|British Rail Class 42}} (28 March); {{diff|British Rail Class 52|prev|653844064|British Rail Class 52}} (28 March). In most cases, you have altered an en-dash (both spaced and unspaced) to a spaced hyphen, and besides causing the occasional error message (for example, the "<span style="font-size:100%" class="error">Check date values in: <code style="color:inherit; border:inherit; padding:inherit;">|date=</code> ([[Help:CS1_errors#bad_date|help]])</span>" seen in the second bullet at [[Special:Diff/653843601#References|British Rail Class 42#References]], which wasn't there before) this goes against [[MOS:ENDASH]]; accordingly,
:::{{replyto|Bree's Block}} I have noticed you doing this on railway-related articles several times over the last few weeks: {{diff|Midland Railway|prev|651011874|Midland Railway}} (12 March 2015); {{diff|Rail accidents at Morpeth|prev|651652883|Rail accidents at Morpeth}} (16 March); {{diff|British Rail Class 222|prev|653280931|British Rail Class 222}} (24 March); {{diff|British Rail Class 42|prev|653843601|British Rail Class 42}} (28 March); {{diff|British Rail Class 52|prev|653844064|British Rail Class 52}} (28 March). In most cases, you have altered an en-dash (both spaced and unspaced) to a spaced hyphen, and besides causing the occasional error message (for example, the "<span style="font-size:100%" class="error">Check date values in: <code style="color:inherit; border:inherit; padding:inherit;">|date=</code> ([[Help:CS1_errors#bad_date|help]])</span>" seen in the second bullet at [[Special:Diff/653843601#References|British Rail Class 42#References]], which wasn't there before) this goes against [[MOS:ENDASH]]; accordingly,
:::: No wonder I don't see any difference then, since "dash" and "hyphen" are just two different names for a - sign. There would be something wrong if I did see a difference. [[User:Bree&#39;s Block|Bree&#39;s Block]] ([[User talk:Bree&#39;s Block#top|talk]]) 03:03, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:::: No wonder I don't see any difference then, since "dash" and "hyphen" are just two different names for a - sign. There would be something wrong if I did see a difference. [[User:Bree&#39;s Block|Bree&#39;s Block]] ([[User talk:Bree&#39;s Block#top|talk]]) 03:03, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::They are not two different names for a - sign they are different characters, and have different purposes. A [[hyphen]] (-) is short (see [[MOS:HYPHEN]] for usage); an [[en-dash]] () is medium-length (see [[MOS:ENDASH]] for usage); an [[em-dash]] () is long (see [[MOS:EMDASH]] for usage). The hyphen is almost never spaced; the en-dash is sometimes spaced and sometimes unspaced, depending upon its purpose; and the em-dash is never spaced. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::They are not two different names for a - sign - they are different characters, and have different purposes. A [[hyphen]] (-) is short (see [[MOS:HYPHEN]] for usage); an [[en-dash]] ( - ) is medium-length (see [[MOS:ENDASH]] for usage); an [[em-dash]] ( - ) is long (see [[MOS:EMDASH]] for usage). The hyphen is almost never spaced; the en-dash is sometimes spaced and sometimes unspaced, depending upon its purpose; and the em-dash is never spaced. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::: ...and what do I see above? Three characters which are all identical. [[User:Bree&#39;s Block|Bree&#39;s Block]] ([[User talk:Bree&#39;s Block#top|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a [[Wikipedia:MOS|Manual of Style]] that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Welcome|welcome page]] to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-mos1 --> --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a [[Wikipedia:MOS|Manual of Style]] that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Welcome|welcome page]] to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-mos1 --> --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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Fell locomotive

Hi, do you have any more information on the Fell's superchargers? Clough says "turbochargers" (which I think is reasonable to infer as "mechanically-driven centrifugal"), but the small-scale GA drawing shows the sort of asymmetry that would suggest Roots (and not vane either). I have no idea who Holmes-Comerville were. Do you have any better sources on the Fell? I presume there are I. Loco E. papers on it, but I don't have anything myself. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:12, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think "turbochargers" in relation to the Fell is probably a bit of confusion arising from the original Paxman Hi-Dyne engine out of which the Fell concept was developed; this did use an exhaust-driven turbocharger, sized to give full output at low engine speeds, to avoid the complication of either an infinitely-variable supercharger drive or an auxiliary supercharger drive engine. (I guess the surplus boost at higher engine speeds was simply dumped.) paxmanhistory.org.uk is clear that the Fell used Roots-type blowers (as one would expect, see next para).
As for Holmes-Connersville... the "Connersville" bit is the Connersville Blower Company of Connersville, Indiana, who refined the original Roots design and later merged with Roots (also of Connersville) to form the Roots Connersville Blower Company. "Holmes" refers to WC Holmes of Huddersfield, Yorkshire, who manufactured some Connersville products under licence. Their main business was manufacturing equipment for the production and distribution of town gas, including other licensed Connersville designs such as exhausters and gas meters which use the same principle as the blower.
I'm afraid my best source on the Fell is Google... before the coming of the internet I vaguely knew of its existence but that was all; what I know about it now is all stuff I've found by googling. The ILocoE and the SAE both have papers on it by Lt-Col. Fell himself but since they cost as much as a whole book I do not have copies. It seems to have largely escaped the attention of writers documenting the experimental locomotives of the period - shame that JK Lewis wasn't interested in it (his "The Western's Hydraulics" IMO sets the standard for such works). Bree's Block (talk) 04:24, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the Connersville information and especially for the Lewis book recommendation. I've been working on articles on the Mekydro and Voith transmissions, mostly based on the Clough book - I'd always wondered why the WR couldn't make diesel-hydraulics work when Germany managed to. I'm sure this book would be a good source too. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I would definitely recommend the Lewis book. Not so much for mechanical details of the transmissions - though he isn't lacking on that, giving enough to understand how they work as well as (more important in the context) plenty on the part they and the variations of them played in the story - but for the very good understanding he conveys of the complex tangle of political and engineering considerations which make up the story of the hydraulics. Unlike most of the diesel classes which died an early death there is no one overriding factor which you can point to and say "that's the reason". Certainly there was nothing fundamentally unsound about the diesel-hydraulic principle, and in my opinion we'd have been better off adopting it nationwide instead of diesel-electrics. Bree's Block (talk) 04:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My copy of the Lewis book has arrived. Looks very good and I'm looking forward to it. Thanks for the recommendation. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:10, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Check your PC

It broke an article here [1], maybe because of some plugin in your browser. Materialscientist (talk) 09:29, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article is not broken, nor is my PC. Bree's Block (talk) 09:51, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Look again [2] and notice that your edit messed up all single/double dashes, which is most noticeable in the infobox on the top right. I have reinstated your addition, but please do check your PC and don't repeat such edits. Materialscientist (talk) 10:08, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I see all the - signs highlighted in one colour on one side and the other colour on the other, for no apparent reason. I didn't go near the infobox at all. Bree's Block (talk) 03:03, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you didn't, but your PC did, which is why I've started this threat. Materialscientist (talk) 04:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Bree's Block: I have noticed you doing this on railway-related articles several times over the last few weeks: Midland Railway (12 March 2015); Rail accidents at Morpeth (16 March); British Rail Class 222 (24 March); British Rail Class 42 (28 March); British Rail Class 52 (28 March). In most cases, you have altered an en-dash (both spaced and unspaced) to a spaced hyphen, and besides causing the occasional error message (for example, the "Check date values in: |date= (help)" seen in the second bullet at British Rail Class 42#References, which wasn't there before) this goes against MOS:ENDASH; accordingly,
No wonder I don't see any difference then, since "dash" and "hyphen" are just two different names for a - sign. There would be something wrong if I did see a difference. Bree's Block (talk) 03:03, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They are not two different names for a - sign - they are different characters, and have different purposes. A hyphen (-) is short (see MOS:HYPHEN for usage); an en-dash ( - ) is medium-length (see MOS:ENDASH for usage); an em-dash ( - ) is long (see MOS:EMDASH for usage). The hyphen is almost never spaced; the en-dash is sometimes spaced and sometimes unspaced, depending upon its purpose; and the em-dash is never spaced. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
...and what do I see above? Three characters which are all identical. Bree's Block (talk) 00:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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