Talk:Swaminarayan Sampradaya

Schismatic groups

I would want to know as to the following of each in terms of numbers. Its important as if the following is the same then the views should be represented equally. Wikidās ॐ 08:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Title

Name does not sound right. I propose it be moved to either Swaminarayan Faith or Succession of Swaminarayan. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I like Swaminarayan Faith    Juthani1   ^tcs 19:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You can look up on how exactly this works with other groups. I think a good example is Bahá'í Faith article. Its featured and can used as an example to where to go from here. Wikidās ॐ 20:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done - Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Should "Faith" and/or "Sect" in the title be capitalized? I could be wrong, but it seems to me that only Swaminarayan should be capitalized, since "faith" is not the only formal term used for the tradition, and is used for the article to make the distinction between the faith and the religious leader. --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 16:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 15:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree from what I read this may be blasphemous to Hinduism. BAPS financing is also not clear whether this is a commercial enterprise or a genuine religious organization. This is worship of the person swaminarayan just like sai baba who is inspired by muslim influences and some people still consider Hinduism.

Denomination?

Is the Swaminarayan faith considered Shaivism, Shaktism, Vaishnavism, or Smartha? Sylvain1972 (talk) 17:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

It is considered a denomination of vaishnavism by most, however some believe it is a denomination of its own    World   ^tcs 20:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the intro should characterize it as Swaminarayan Vaishnavism or Swaminarayan Vaishnavist Hinduism then. As a westerner having delved into the topic of Hinduism, I agree with the Indic sentiment that there is not really a religion called "Hinduism", but since most westerners use to believe there is, the "Hinduism" (similar to Abrahamite) may still be retained. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 22:31, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

See my comment above, that's the only problem with doing that ^The World 12:38, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Swaminarayan Faith

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Swaminarayan Faith's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "isbn8170247985":

• From Shikshapatri: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. Retrieved March 26, 2009. Page 230
• From Desh Vibhag Lekh: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. Retrieved March 26, 2009. Page 228
• From Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, Vadtal: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. pp. 227–228. Retrieved June 10, 2009.
• From Vachanamrut: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. p. 228. Retrieved June 13, 2009.
• From Swaminarayan Sampraday: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. p. 230. Retrieved June 17, 2009.

Reference named "isbn8120606515":

• From Premanand Swami: Behramji Merwanji Malabari, Krishnalal M. Jhaveri, Malabari M. B (1997). Gujarat and the Gujaratis. Asian Educational Services. ISBN 8120606515. Retrieved May 21, 2009.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Page 241
• From Swaminarayan: Behramji Merwanji Malabari, Krishnalal M. Jhaveri, Malabari M. B (1997). Gujarat and the Gujaratis. Asian Educational Services. ISBN 8120606515. Retrieved May 7, 2009.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Page 263 - 269
• From Swaminarayan Sampraday: Behramji Merwanji Malabari, Krishnalal M. Jhaveri, Malabari M. B (1997). Gujarat and the Gujaratis. Asian Educational Services. ISBN 8120606515. Retrieved May 7, 2009.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Page 241-242

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

New information

Keeping in mind some information has been transplanted here from Swaminarayan, the article now gives information on both the Faith (or belief) and Succession. Should the article title be changed to reflect the same - Swaminarayan Faith and Succession or Swaminarayan Hinduism? Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 10:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I strongly agree. The name of the article must reflect the information. I think Swaminarayan Hinduism would be a suitable name. Swaminarayan Faith and Succession, to me at least, feels like there is a bit of repetition. The faith includes succession, if you see what I mean. World (talk • contributions) 18:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources

There are a number of academic and journalistic sources that provide an (at times highly critical) analysis of the evolution and social function of the faith. These should be covered in this article, and some use of the would be essential, should it be nominated at any future stage for Good Article status:

• Rohit Barot, 'Religion, migration and wealth creation in the Swaminarayan Movement', in Bryceson, Deborah and Ulla Vuorela (eds), The Transnational Family".
• Rohit Barot has written books that would also prbably touch on the subject and should be checked at some stage.
• David Hardiman, "Class base of Swaminarayan sect", Economic and Political Weekly, 10 September 1988 (subscription needed, or library access)
• Makrand Mehta, controversial article in the Gujarati-language journal of the Centre for Social Studies, Surat, 1986

Suggestions

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• "The Swaminarayan faith has a large percentage of Hindus who are followers of Swaminarayan." what how it mean? Are there non-Hindu Swaminarayans?
• "India, Britain, and the United States." Form sentences. A section on distribution of Swaminarayan Hindus is necessary
• Instead of having a section titled "Succession of Swaminarayan", I suggest a layout of:
  • "Common beliefs"
  • Common History: who is Swaminarayan? Sampradaya and reason of schisms
  • Separate sections on each sect within S.Hinduism. Highlight differences in philosophies, succession etc. A short history of each within the sect section. Chief Temples and leaders by each sect. Organization of each sect.
    • Swaminarayan Sampraday
    • BAPS
    • et al
  • Relations of the schisms (approval/criticism of each other etc.)

--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)