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Draft Persistence

How long will userspace drafts persist, so long as I don't mark them for deletion? Heterodidact (talk) 02:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Re-written article needs help

I'm a newbie, learning by studying and some bumps and bruises to my ego from the rejection of my first article. It was full of original research and un-reliable sources. I have completely re-written it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Charles_Coates_%22Charlie%22_Walker

I would really appreciate help from someone who is familiar with acceptable sources and this type of thing. Thank you. Willbeaden667 (talk) 02:06, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

How does one become a host

Hello; how does one become a teahouse host and are there any requirements to be such a host? What new responsibilities would this position entail? Royalmate3 (talk) 02:03, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

"Template" article requires citations

Hello,

A complete Wikipedia newbie, I'm trying to add a template article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Template:MUBI_film) to assist with adding links to MUBI (an cult/international/arthouse film database) to film pages on Wikipedia.

However, my draft was declined because of a lack of references (as described on the page itself0.

So my question is: what citations or references could I give for a *template* article? That is, a page set up simply to create a shorthand text for editing 'normal' Wiki pages?uey

For example, this IMDb template doesn't include references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:IMDb_title

Thanks for all your help in advance.

Hueymc (talk) 01:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Hueymc: Hi! You are correct, templates do not need references, I think that editor had one to many wikibeers :) However, as it stands your "template" isn't a template, invoking it somewhere won't give the results you say it will in the "instructions". Ill head over there and see if I can fix it up, OK? EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:53, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Solapur

I have given proper citations and references, few inline citations for the Solapur city, this article has been earlier criticised for biased towards the ethnic chauvinism for Kannada and Marathi languages and some anonymous users vandalize the page by erasing all or part to lessen the factual accuracy, Please somebody protect it from vandalism, I want to ask can the refimprove tag be removed from it now? Ankush 89 (talk) 00:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Editing Discographies

How do I add Track listings to musician discography?JodyMc77 (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I want to create an article.

I want to create an article called "James Bond Radio", a British podcast series discussing the films and other related topics. They have interviewed people who worked on the series. They have thier own website plus a Youtube channel. I have thought about writing it in my sandbox. That way, i can save it and add to it a bit at a time before deciding to submit for approval. If anyone here can help me in different ways, such as a list of codes or general advice.

I am not starting on the article until i have advice and enough sources.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Martinwylie1990 (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse!! I suggest read over Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia for an overview of the how too's...but first pls read WP:GNG as Wikipedia articles cover notable topics—those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time. -- Moxy (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How can I upload a photo?

How can I upload a photo on wikipedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Habib.thcs (talk • contribs) 08:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse!! Pls see Help:Uploading images or you can read this PDF -- Moxy (talk) 23:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Newbie wants to undertake a major rewrite of existing article, could an experienced editor mentor my efforts?

I would like to do a major rewrite of the page LibriVox page but I am a newbie and feel I need expert review. I have posted in various talk pages but don't expect a response any time soon because the talk pages have pretty low traffic. I have never modified a wikipedia article to the extent I believe is needed for the LibriVox article and would really like an experienced wikipedia editor to critique my work. How would I find this editor? Thanks for your help. TimoleonWash (talk) 17:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello !! I See your also at the project page..thats a good start....if no reply BE BOLD.....bookmark Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia for your how to page to get info as you need it. I will watch the page as you go help where possible when I login. -- Moxy (talk) 23:36, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I would like to complete an article, but can't get the assistance I need

I've started to edit Draft:David_Fishelov, and got some comments [here] and [here] and [here] but couldn't get any response to my last question. I would appreciate any help to complete this article! Davidgute (talk) 20:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to Properly Write About a Proprietary Style of Yoga such as Jivamukti does

Hello, I am embarking upon making/updating a page that will discuss a proprietary style of yoga. I noticed that Jivamukti refers to themselves in this way. Is there any specific guidance for doing such a thing? We have the copyrights and trademarks for our yoga, how do we go about showing those to wikipedia so they will accept our page?

Also, maybe I can just build it in my sandbox, and submit it for review before publishing, will someone be able to guide me that way, without me being penalized if I make too many mistakes?Annalynnehurtgen (talk) 19:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Annalynnehurtgen. It is good that you are disclosing your affiliation from the beginning. Please read about Conflict of interest on Wikipedia, and create a user page where you declare your conflict. As for writing a draft article, I recommend the Articles for creation process. Your draft will be reviewed by an experienced editor. The content must be based primarily on references to significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. If such coverage does not exist, then your style of Yoga is not eligible for a Wikipedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Making User Page

Hello, I was curious, how do i get a good user page, where do I ask for help, can someone help me GodLike (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello GodLike and welcome to the Teahouse. For making your user page look nice, see: Wikipedia:User page design center. You can also "clone/borrow/steal" the code from someone else's user page. Just ensure that you change it enough that it does not look like you are trying to impersonate the other user. Wikipedia:User pages is a good guide as to what kind of things are appropriate in user space. And when you use the work someone else has created, in the edit summary please attribute the work to them by naming the user you copied the content from. If you want to add userboxes you can start here: Wikipedia:Userboxes. There are also many, many customized userboxes floating around on user pages in the Wikipedia, if you find one you fancy just copy the code from the page. If you are further interested in defining yourself and your style there is also the Wikipedia:WikiFauna. Best, w.carter-Talk 15:23, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I need to edit my references

Hello, I need to edit my references but don't know how to do it. I have looked everyone and I am sure the answer is somewhere... just now where I am looking. Thank You. Tee TeeMarek (talk) 14:35, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TeeMarek. I recommend Referencing for beginners. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 14:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, TeeMarek. If you are asking about Draft:Young Drivers of Canada, editing references is less a problem than finding reliable, independent sources. Two experienced editors, Sionk and FoCuSandLeArN, left that feedback when the draft was not accepted, and when it was restored after speedy deletion. Most of the references included in the draft are either to the company’s website (not independent) or to YouTube (not considered a reliable source). The remaining 3 sources do not provide significant coverage of Young Drivers— although the Bloomberg and Open Corporates sites could be used to verify non-controversial facts about the company if there were otherwise significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. It appears the company is non-notable. It’s possible you may have some published sources that are available in public or university libraries but not available online, in which case you can cite those sources to establish notability. You need to complete that research first, because just editing the existing sources will be an exercise in futility. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello again. I have amended the references before looking at your response. The problem with Young Drivers is that there are alot of articles on them but it terms of what has been mentioned in the wikipedia article, there is little to verify except for the corporate website and the YouTube videos. Looking at how to include references, they need to relate to the topic being discussed, which in this case can be difficult. Thanks, TeeTeeMarek (talk) 21:16, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How can I reference it properly

My Draft:Pickleboy is getting rejected despite having large amounts of references. What more can I do? Wackslas - Holler at me (talk) 14:26, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Wackslas. What you need to do is to find places where people who have no connection to Pickleboy have written articles about him, and published them in reliable places such as major newspapers. (It could be videos talking about him, but they would still need to have been published somewhere that has a reputation for editorial control and fact checking). The Charleston City Paper articles might meet that criterion - but they're not about Pickleboy, and only mention him in passing. None of the YouTube links counts as a reliable source. The Heyman Hustle article is possibly reliable, but it is very short, and doesn't mention Pickleboy once (it mentions "Junior", which I guess is him, but only to quote him, so again it does not say anything about him). And so on. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to remove a photo

I'd just like to point out that the photo included in the infobox for British film director Gordon Hessler is actually a photo of US film producer Charles J Schneer. I'm not sure how to remove it, or whether some higher judge needs to comment first! Clamias Clamias (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Clamias. Well spotted and thanks for the correction. You can click the "Edit" tab to edit an infobox or lead. I have removed the photo from the article [1]. More complicated cleanup including renaming commons:File:Gordon Hessler 1974.jpg and commons:File:Gordon Hessler and Caroline Munro 1974.jpg and editing other pages should also be done. I expect to do that later today if others don't do it first. For the record, the photo was mislabeled by the source [2]. I have posted a comment with the correction there: "The man is the film's producer Charles H. Schneer and not the director Gordon Hessler." PrimeHunter (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to create a user page

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia, and I'd like to create a user page. I read several articles on how to do this, but I'm still confused. Please help! FlameLightFleeNight (talk) 09:35, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @FlameLightFleeNight: It looks like you managed to create one at User:FlameLightFleeNight since you asked this question - nice job! You've already got a nice selection of userboxes. Other things you could include (if you want) are a short introduction about yourself, when you joined, what sort edits you make, any WikiProjects you might be a part of, etc. You may also create subpages of your userpage: for example, you might use User:FlameLightFleeNight/sandbox as a sandbox to make test edits or store drafts. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 13:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Reorganizing "Vidon" redirect & "Monte Vidon" disambig page?

VidOn/Vidon currently redirects to the Monte Vidon disambig page. It would be helpful if an entry for VidOn Media Center by VidOn.me could be included so I'm seeking advice on the best way to handle this.

I've created one potential solution on my sandbox page (User:GDW13/sandbox) that could be substituted for the current Vidon redirect. Please comment on this and/or other solutions.

Thanks!

GDW13 (talk) 06:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, GDW13. Disambiguation pages should normally point only to articles, not to items in lists. It will be appropriate to think about a dab page for Vidon once there is an article on VidOn Media Center, and not before. If this product meets the notability requirements, then an article may be written about it. If it does not, an article should not be attempted, and the disambiguation will be inappropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

"United States" entry is religiously polemic?

After reading the Wiki page on the U.S., I was amazed, and saddened, to see no mention of The Enightenment as a factor in the emergence of an 18th century New World democracy. And yet, oddly, there was a substantial reference to something called The Great Awakening," an apparently arcane Protestant social movement I have never heard of but which seems to conform to some editor's notion of important American history. Perhaps I have some history to learn. But is it possible the inclusion of religious minutiae at the expense of omitting The Enlightenment resembles Indiana's recent attempt to enthrone a religious worldview against a deeply secular Wikipedia Concorde? --Enzephyron (locked out of editing that page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enzephyron (talk • contribs) 03:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Enzephyron. You are unable to edit that article only because your account is too new: a few articles which have historically been subject to a lot of vandalism are "semi-protected", which means that until your account is "autoconfirmed", (i.e. until it has been in existence for four days and made ten edits), you are unable to edit it. You have only just created the account, and made only this one edit, so at present, that is not a page you are able to edit - but there are millions which you can!

In any case, while an auto-confirmed account can in principle edit that article, I would advise anybody, however experienced, against doing so without first obtaining consensus. The thing to do is to post your concern on the article's talk page Talk:United States; but if you look at that page, you will see that there are 68 pages of archived discussion, so it is worth searching them to find out if this question has previously been discussed. (For example, I searched for "enlightenment" and got four hits, but none of them appear to me to be quite to your point). What you will need to do to get the article changed is to achieve consensus; that is, persuade other people that the change will improve the article. You will need to argue entirely from reliable published sources (not from your own opinion or your own unpublished research), and you may need to make compromises to achieve consensus. Good luck! --ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

See the article American Enlightenment. The Great Awakenings are not arcane or minute but contributed to the development of American democracy and the abolition of slavery. However the American Enlightenment played a large part in the movement toward independence and should be mentioned in the article. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I want to know the reason

My article was declined on the logic that no sufficient material. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CosmicEmperor#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_1987_Meerut_Riots_.28April_6.29

But 1990 Hyderabad riots don't look like it has huge material but still it exists. I strongly disagree that 1987 Meerut riots is a part of Hashimpura Massacre(42 deaths) , as Hashimpura Massacre is a part of 1987 Meerut riots(345 deaths including 42 from Hashimpura massacre).See in 1987 Indian media(private new channels were not in existence , so less news source). If you want to keep 1987 Meerut riots and Hashimpura massacre separately its okay. But don't ask me edit Hashimpura massacre. I gave enough reference in the draft. Only thing wrong was that maybe I wrote less than mentioned in the sources. I don't have time for that. I think the article was rejected without checking the references and sources properly.Cosmic Emperor (talk) 01:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, CosmicEmperor. I agree that Wikipedia ought to have an article about the Meerut riots, but your current draft has serious shortcomings that should be addressed first. The draft article fails to adequately describe the event. The lead paragraph does not even say the events took place in India, let alone what state in India, and also does not say that the rioting took place between Muslims and Hindus. Muslims are not mentioned until the second section, and one Hindu is mentioned in the third. Wikilinking is poor, and the article assumes that readers (who may reside anywhere in the world) are familiar with organizations and social forces specific to India. Please rewrite your article to be understandable and useful to a young student living on another continent who knows very little about India and its social groups.

Your references are bare URLs for the most part. Please read Referencing for beginners, follow its advice, and fill out your references properly. Then resubmit, and good luck. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

As for 1990 Hyderabad riots, that article is a stub, our lowest quality category, and is really mediocre. You don't want to strive to produce poor quality articles, do you? Far better to write even one informative and useful article. Then you can move on and improve the Hyderabad riot article if you want, and you will be well on the way to being a useful Wikipedia editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi CosmicEmperor - What I was saying is that the two incidents should be part of the same article. The Hashimpura massacre article is much more detailed and well-referenced. Based on your article, and since the two are inter-related, I feel that the two subjects should be combined, and since the other article is more detailed and referenced, you could fold your article into the existing article, as a precursor to the massacre. Based on the two articles currently, that would seem to be the way to go. Right now, almost a third of your article deals with the Hashimpura massacre. I would also definitely take a look at Referencing for beginners, as Cullen328 suggested, as well as his other suggestions about improving the current article. Not sure why you brought in the 1990 riots article, as that has nothing to do with either your article, or the related article I suggested you merge with. Onel5969 (talk) 16:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to get a list of all .svg files on Wikipedia.org and commons.wikimedia.org?

How to get a list of all .svg files on Wikipedia.org and commons.wikimedia.org?

Hi!

I do have a very slow internet connection. Nonetheless it would be fast enough to download a list of the files I'm looking for: I want a list of all .svg files on Wikipedia.org and commons.wikimedia.org. (And later on after that of all svg-files on the other wikipedia and wikimedia pages.)

But my internet connection is not fast enough to find the right search-words by trial and error: It's absolutly tedious to do trial-and-error with 64kbit/sec.

Could anyone point me to the right page on wikipedia or commons.wikimedia where I could start such a search and which keywords and settings to use?

Greetings John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.99.195 (talk) 00:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Note: Question has been asked and answered at the Help Desk. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:46, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

definition of coffee clutch

As A child growing up in the 50's neighbors got together in coffee clutches but I can't definition in Wikipedia98.125.40.198 (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Probably a modification of [3]. A tea party with coffee instead. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

It's certainly variable but the common spelling is "coffee klatches"--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Article got deleted

Hi I am a new user and I posted an article about a women employment company called sherows. I received a warning that it was subject to deletion as the article sounded promotional and once I edited it better the warning was taken away. But the n the article got deleted for the same reason. Can I write a better version of the article and put it up again? Or how do I get them to undelete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlegliff (talk • contribs)

Hi Littlegliff and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem with that article is that it read like an advertisement. Are you affiliated with SHEROES in any way? If so, make sure you are extra careful to follow our policy on editing with conflicts of interest. If not, I would recommend sending a draft article through the articles for creation process, making sure you try to write from a neutral point of view, using reliable sources -- basically, try to use news articles about SHEROES rather than content taken from its website. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Happy editing! Go Phightins! 22:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

thankyou for your response. No, i am in no way affiliated to SHEROES , i was just wanting to post an article about them. I had added the links to the articles about SHEROES, though that didnt seem to work. Anyway, I have written a better version of it, is there any way to verify if it sound right? Ill be really grateful if you can help. Littlegliff (talk) 09:20, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to your draft of the article? Type [[Article title]] ... the title is whatever appears after en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Thanks. Go Phightins! 19:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to create a new page with all reference

I want to write a new article but do not know how to write it ? Please guide me.

Pappuverma11 (talk) 22:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello again -- the best advice I have on creating an article is found at this help page: Wikipedia:Your first article. The articles for creation process, although backlogged, is the place I would recommend you submit your draft article to, as a reviewer will give it a quick once-over before it gets moved to main space. If you need specific help, let us know. Thanks! Go Phightins! 22:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I need to do editing realted to indian caste system.

How i can edit the wrong information for some article.I do not know how to attach the reference with my sentence and also how to link pages with other same informative pages.

Pappuverma11 (talk) 22:03, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Pappuverma11 and welcome to the Teahouse. If you know a piece of information in an article is wrong, and can find a reliable source that says so, you are welcome to remove it -- simply click the edit button, find the text that is wrong, and remove it or rewrite it to make it right. Make sure that you cite a reliable source if you change or remove anything -- in the main editing window (what you get when you click edit), click "cite", and then choose the type of reference you have, and fill out the little form that will pop up ... that will format the reference for you automatically. Let me know if that doesn't work, and we can discuss other ways to cite stuff. Finally, when you make your edit, leave an edit summary in the bottom that says what you did and why -- this helps other editors understand what you are doing. Thanks for the great question, and let us know if we can be of further assistance. All the best, Go Phightins! 22:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Doubled photo

I just posted a new article, St. James Episcopal Church (Richmond, Virginia) despite not knowing how to have just a single photo in the infobox. Clearly, there is only one call, but this happened before with St James Episcopal Church (Baltimore, Maryland) and someone managed to fix it after I likewise couldn't figure out what went wrong. Thanks for your help.Jweaver28 (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Jweaver28. I fixed it with this edit (click here). As with the prior request – if you use image syntax when you're placing a file in an infobox it will usually break, because the code for displaying the image is supplied by the infobox code. So I removed [[file: and |100px]] That type of code is for when you're placing an image directly in the body of the article (some infoboxes will have no problem with "file:" being included, and some not).

By the way, every page has a page history. Any edit summaries left by others when they edited can be viewed there (among other features). If you look at the edit history of St James Episcopal Church you'll see I explained a bit about what the issue was. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix and explanation.Jweaver28 (talk) 21:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia and organizing an Edit-a-thon

I'm new to Wikipedia and am working on organizing an edit-a-thon for an academic library. There is a lot of information out there and I've been reading it. I've also been completing many of the training opportunities for new editors. My plan is to start small, build on my success and learn from my mistakes. The more I learn about Wikipedia, the more it seems there is to know. It can be overwhelming. I'd appreciate any advice on "must-do"/"must-not do"etc. Thank you! Archie0401 (talk) 20:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey, welcome to Wikipedia. If you are new to Wikipedia, I would recommend the co-op, where you can get matched one-to-one with an experienced Wikipedian who commits to being there to guide you along and answer questions. As for edit-a-thons, I do not honestly know too much about them, but perhaps I JethroBT -- incidentally also the manager of the Co-op -- would be able to help you with that. I would head over there and see what they can do for you ... it is a great program for introducing new editors to the encyclopedia. Let us know here if we can be of further assistance or if you would like clarification on any of the above. Happy editing! Go Phightins! 22:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions!Archie0401 (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@Archie0401: The Outreach Wiki has some good information about edit-a-thons. See the main edit-a-thon info page, this other how-to for people associated with GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums). There are lots of people using the Wikipedia:Meetup space for edit-a-thons, too. If you let me know where you are (either in this thread or at my user talk page), it's possible I may be able to connect you to someone to help in your area. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

...For context in relation to Go Phightins!'s advice, the co-op is a great resource for general help with Wikipedia (including, possibly, edit-a-thons) and I'd still recommend checking it out. I just work with the Education Program/Foundation so wind up communicating with a lot of people interested in edit-a-thons in particular. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:57, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: Thanks for the suggestions. I have been looking at the Meetup and GLAM sites. As I said, I'm starting small and I view this first attempt as a test run of sorts. I appreciate all the help and suggestions. I am in Sonoma County, Northern California. Archie0401 (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Article Lead Format

I've been looking in the Manual of Style, but I haven't been able to find an answer to this question. In the lead paragraph of an article, what is the proper format for ordering information in an article on something that is less common than its counterpart?

1. Put the common first, then the current (and less common) topic?
2. Put the topic first, then the more common counterpart?
3. Speak only of the topic, and ignore the more common counterpart in the lead?

For example, if the article was called Snow in Arizona (which isn't an article, by the way), which sentence in the lead is the appropriate one, per the Manual of Style:

• "Unlike many other states, Arizona does not get very much snow"
• "Arizona does not get very much snow, unlike many other states"
• "Arizona does not get very much snow."

Maybe not those exact words, but that kind of format in referring to the rare topic at hand and the more common counterpart.

Is there an official methodology, per the Manual of Style, and, if so, what is it? Pikachu (talk) 17:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Pikachu. Nothing official that I can find. See Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Lead section. The lead should start out with a descriptive sentence and then summarize the article roughly in the order topics are covered in the article. So how to put a comparison in the lead will depend on the article content. If it is so important that it has to be in the first sentence, start out with the topic: "Snow in Arizona is rare compared to other states." Or do it without a comparison: "Snow in Arizona is rare because of its geographic location." and have the comparison in the body of the article. If the comparison comes later in the lead either order is fine.

By the way, Arizona depends on the snowfall in its mountains for much of its water supply. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

How to move a page from my sandbox to "live" status

I've built a draft article in my sandbox. Now I'm ready to forward it for review -- a step I presume is in the chain from authoring to publishing. But I cannot find in all the <help> pages the right instructions for doing this. Please advise. Morees68 (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Morees68: Welcome to the Teahouse! Glad to hear you've got a draft going. To mark it for review, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your sandbox. An experienced editor will come by and review the article, and will either publish it or let you know why they're rejecting it. Note that there is a backlog of articles waiting for review, so it may take anywhere from a day to a few weeks for another editor to get to it. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:17, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

So easy! Many thanks. I'll do that happily, and thanks for your help. Morees68 (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Looking to Improve Entries on Schools in Michigan and Indiana

Hello, I am looking to improve upon and better categorize lists and entries for magnet schools, schools of choice, and charter schools in Indiana and Michigan. Is this a project which has already started which I can join? Is there a list of 'easy fix' items which I could start with?

Thanks! (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi WhateverHappenedToBabyJane
I suggest you ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools, where like minded editors congregate. Please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines, in particular what not to include before starting any mass edits - many editors add mission statements, admission procedures etc. in good faith, but these will be deleted. - Arjayay (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Cannot edit through my iPhone / iPad

Hello,

I cannot scroll down the page in the edit mode with my iPhone 5 / iPad 2. But I can do it when using my MacBook. What is the problem ? Was that because I am using iOS7 ?

Best regards, Clifford Tsang (HKCX) HKCX (talk) 14:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, HKCX. Welcome to the Teahouse. For reporting bugs like this, it is best to go to the Village pump and ask this there. Good luck, —DangerousJXD (talk) 21:28, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Help to Translate please

Hello. And who ever can help translate this - https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhat_-_Il_principe_del_deserto#Personaggi to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Poti_Berik/sandbox2#Characters from italian (i'm little knew italian language) to english, and why the my sandbox submission declined twice. Best regards Poti Berik (talk) 14:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, I want to edit on wikipedia, but I'm afraid that if I make an account, it will get hacked into and become blocked. Any help? Thanks, 108.33.159.120 (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia accounts are very rarely hacked, especially not newer ones. If it was, remember Wikipedia keeps no personal information. Suspected hacked accounts are blocked if being used badly, but can be recovered. A good way to protect yourself is with Template:User committed identity. But remember, because accounts take seconds to make, it is rare for them to be hacked. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 12:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello. You can continue to edit Wikipedia without creating an account, but you will get much better security if you create one. Currently all your edits are committed under your IP address, which is pretty bad if you're concerned about privacy. This is hidden if you create an account.

If you create an account, and use a strong password, it is practically impossible for your account to be hacked into via password guessing. If you're really concerned about hacking, you can use Template:User committed identity, to ensure you could always "claim back" a compromised account. At present it would be relatively easy for a malevolent character to imitate the 108.33.159.120 IP address.

The full benefits of creating an account are listed at Wikipedia:Why create an account? --LukeSurl ^{t c} 13:00, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

how to gain help for a project

I want to make a list of online applications. One that excludes mass marketing sites and only does legit connections to the actual applications. I just signed up for an editor account to be able to do this when I realized how huge a project it will be. It would be appreciated if I could get help: but, I don't know how yet. can you help?

P.S. I mean job application sites.Done from phone (talk) 09:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Done from phone. I am a somewhat new editor (one year) who often visits the Teahouse. For your proposed project, the existing Wikipedia article List of employment websites contains much of the content you mention. You are welcome to update this article with improvements. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 11:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry but that's what I'm trying to avoid. I want the applications for the jobs not mass spamming networks or charge a fees. But seriously I've played a little in the sandbox and have truly realized that either its to big a task or someone will be upset. Is there anyway you can tell me how to get help. 75.140.227.163 (talk) 15:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

What does it mean when...

...an editor templates another editor? I saw this on someone's user page once a while ago: "I don't mind if you decide to template me." Thanks, —DangerousJXD (talk) 08:13, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

DangerousJXD there are templates available for a range of purposes including warnings given to other editors. It is considered poor form to template an experienced editor. Flat Out let's discuss it 09:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Wow - I know some editors who consider themselves to be above any criticism, but I had no idea that was the official position. I can hardly wait to get to that state, where I become all-knowing and I can ignore the rules which bind the lesser mortals. Or have I perhaps misunderstood your point; is there some other way (not using templates) to manage unacceptable behaviour of the more experienced?--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: It's only about posting templates from Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. It doesn't apply to manually written posts. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Please note that, as clearly stated at the top, Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars is an essay, which just gives an opinion, it is not a policy or guideline, so is not "the official position". - Arjayay (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I get told by bots that I linked to a disambiguation page all the time. This is, of course, appreciated. Given the risk of losing my work if I check links, it's easy to forget.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I want to get involved more in editing

I want to be able to add embedded files to articles in the English Wikipedia. Συντάκτης (talk) 04:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Συντάκτης. I notice that you have twice claimed to be an administrator today on your user page, although you are not. Why did you do that? Please explain precisely what you mean by "embedded files", and why you want to add them to articles? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:46, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Pictures

How do you make pictures on your account?Ooppss already used (talk) 22:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ooppss already used: Welcome! I can tell you two methods (there might be more that I don't know about):

One method is to add a thumbnail. See WP:PIC, which describes the format better than I do.

Another is to create a gallery using the

• File:...

tag. WP:GALLERY has more info on this.

Before you add any pictures, however, make sure the picture(s) you want is acceptable for Wikipedia use; preferably one with a free license. See WP:IUP for detailed documentation.

Hope this makes sense, and hopefully a veteran Wikipedian will add anything important that I forgot to tell you. CabbagePotato (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ooppss already used: Oops, my last message didn't turn out the way I thought it would. The box with the "..." in it was supposed to show up as <gallery>...</gallery>, and the WP:GALLERY link was supposed to point to Help:Gallery tag (although you can access this link from WP:GALLERY). Hope this makes more sense than my last comment. CabbagePotato (talk) 00:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Is there a way we can have a mentor to support our work?

Hello,

I am one of the coordinators of the Dalit Women's collective called the Dalit History Month Project and we are hosting Dalit Wikipedia edith-athons to encourage more dalit editors throughout wikipedia. We would love to meet other senior editors who would be our collaborators as we are scholars and leaders from throughout South Asia and the world and working to increase the lack of our respresentation on Wikipedia! We have about 30-35 Dalit women around the world who are committed to coming on aboard through our efforts! With your help we can double that in the next month!

Dalithistorymonth (talk) 20:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dalithistorymonth. I am an experienced editor and Teahouse host, and I would be happy to answer questions from participants in your project about Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and editing procedures at any time. Although I am not an expert in Indian history, I do have an interest in helping improve our coverage of Indian topics. Good luck to all of you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:28, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Red wikilinks

I was wondering how come there are so many red wikilinks in this article.Harold Wilson Were they formatted as someone was planning to create them, or were they already there but got deleted?CV9933 (talk) 20:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@CV9933:, as most of them are related to UK acts of parliament, then I suspect they were deliberately formatted in the expectation that at some point an article will be created. Nthep (talk) 21:23, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nthep: Thanks; yes that does seem to be the case I found this Wikipedia:Red link which suggests these deliberate links help grow Wikipedia.CV9933 (talk) 10:11, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Posting on talk pages.

To post on a talk page(including your own), should I just add a new section to my talk page and post what I would say? Dragonmagicediter (talk) 19:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Dragonmagicediter, welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you should add a new section to a talk page when you start a new topic there. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

A question about deleting "issue notices" after editing

Hi, I'm new and wondering if after addressing "noted issues" at the top of an article, am I supposed to delete the notice? Or is this something that there are specific editors for? Fulkthepheasant (talk) 17:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Fulkthepheasant. If you are fully confident that you have resolved the issue that caused the article to be tagged, go ahead and remove the tag. If, as a new editor, you would like feedback from more experienced editors, feel free to mention specific articles here. No one has the specific job of removing obsolete tags. Every editor should do so when appropriate. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cullen,

Thanks. I started out by doing pretty simple stuff, adding citations to people I know something about. I added info and corresponding citations to one article, and two to another. I just don't know if one or two citations is enough to remove the tag for citations altogether. Also, one article had a tag that said the writing was too promotional sounding, so I tried editing that to more sterile language as well. Fulkthepheasant (talk) 19:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Fulkthepheasant, another thing that you can do if you aren't sure if the tag should be removed is to ask the editor who put the tag on the page for an opinion, by posting on that editor's talk page. You can usually find out who it was by looking at the article's history. You may get an answer more quickly by posting here at the Teahouse, though, because a lot of editors monitor this forum.—Anne Delong (talk) 07:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Anne Delong & Cullen. Fulkthepheasant (talk) 11:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

How do I change the title of a Wikipedia page

Hello! I created a page for musician Steven Schoenberg and I saved it. But instead on the name "Steven Schoenberg" as the title, it comes up as "User:Hampshire Hipster/sandbox". I must've inadvertently missed a step early in the process and now I simply want to correct the title. I tried typing DISPLAYTITLE into the text, but that didn't work. Please help! -- Hampshire Hipster (talk) 13:40, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Hampshire Hipster and welcome to the Teahouse. Relax, you haven't done anything wrong. :) When you create an article you start in your own sandbox, just like you have done. When you feel that the article is ready, you place the code {{subst:Submit}} at the top of the page and thereby submit your draft for review to see if it will get accepted or not. I took a look at your draft and it looks sort of ok, but it needs more work before it is ready for the main space. I have placed some links with tips for you on your talk page, things you can work on while waiting for the draft to be reviewed. Best, w.carter-Talk 14:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all your help W.carter. When you say place the code {{subst:Submit}} at the top of the page, do you mean on the page where I would be making edits to the article? Hampshire Hipster (talk) 14:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Hampshire Hipster: You place the code at the top of your sandbox, the page where the article currently is. Btw, remember to sign your posts with the four ~~~~. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 14:47, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for all your help W.carter. And when I submit the draft, will the main title be changed or do I have to somehow change it? I have read a lot of these tips while preparing the piece. Are there any particular red flags that I should address regarding the Steven Schoenberg article? I've tried to be really careful... :) Thank you again!! Hampshire Hipster (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Hampshire Hipster: I will continue this discussion on your talk page. Let's not clutter up the Teahouse needlessly. ;) w.carter-Talk 15:08, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Article on an elementary school

It's for Niji-Iro Elementary School 1. It's an article on an elementary school, and it was my understanding that those did not warrant a wiki page. Can or should it be removed? 2. Some of the sources cited are from Michigan Capitol Confidential, which is a news source with specific point of view. Should those be included? 3. I have made revisions to the wiki entry (removal of dead links, better information, etc). Is there a place I can post it for others to review without making it public for everyone? I've never done an extensive article edit before and I don't want to do it badly!! WhateverHappenedToBabyJane (talk) 11:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

WhateverHappenedToBabyJane - firstly, I have to say that's one of the best user names I have seen. But that's beside the point; welcome to the Teahouse. I assume the article is Niji-Iro Japanese Immersion Elementary School, and I agree that it is hard to see anything particularly notable about this subject. Especially since more than half of the article is taken up with the history of a different, predecessor school. I have started the ball rolling by placing a Notability tag on the article. The next step could be to start a Notability discussion on its Talk page, possibly leading to a proposal to delete it. There is nowhere secret to post suggestions; everywhere on Wikipedia is public. So I suggest putting your suggested changes on the article's Talk page for comment. If you get it wrong, other editors there can help to improve it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:36, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Gronk Oz - Thank you for your reply!

1. How do I 'tag' you in response? So that you know I am responding to your comment? 2. Is a Notability discussion necessary? If so, how do I start it? I know I can just post to the Talk page, but do I just simply put 'This doesn't seem to be worthy of a wiki entry'? 3. Thank you again

WhateverHappenedToBabyJane (talk) 16:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

WhateverHappenedToBabyJane, if you edit this section, you can see the code involved. Gronk Oz will let Gronk Oz know you responded.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

You do need to say something about notability. If much of the article is about another school, you need to say that. Japanese Immersion sounds like it would help the school establish notability. I'm not absolutely certain that would be enough.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Y WhateverHappenedToBabyJane, another user has already fixed this. Boleyn has merged this into another article, Livonia Public Schools. So if you try to go to the old page (Niji-Iro Japanese Immersion Elementary School), it will redirect you to the Livonia page. Frankly, I think that is better than just deleting the article, and I am disappointed that I didn't think of it. It effectively bypasses the question of whether there should be a discussion about notability, because it's still there, but as part of a larger and more notable subject.

P.S. To pick up on a comment that Vchimpanzee made, one of the tricks of Wikipedia is that all the code is visible by using the "Edit" tab. So whenever I see something and I think "how did they do that", such as your question about how to "tag" somebody to get their attention, it just takes one click to see all the details of how they did it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Invalid month invalid day

Hi, The article about Thomas Seymour, 1st Baron Seymour of Sudeley has "invalid month invalid day" next to the date of his death in the info box. Why is that and what is the best way to correct it? NickNak (talk) 09:53, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, NickNak. I fixed it with this edit. It had been using 00|00 to represent his unknown birth date. Apparently that was considered valid code until a change in the {{Death date and age}} template a couple of days ago. —teb728 t c 10:21, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

• That's just 1 out 1300 fixed then ;) see Category:Pages using age template with invalid date for the rest. I'll add to my - todo list. KylieTastic (talk) 10:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

a question about how these Happy Days characters are reated to each other.

how are all these people reataed Richie Cunningham Joanie Cunningham Chuck Cunningham Sean Cunningham KC Cunningham Charles "Chachi" Arcola Mario Mastorelli Annette Mastorelli Rico Mastorelli Marion Cunningham Howard Cunningham Richard "Dick" Cunningham Lori Beth Allen-Cunningham Emily Allen David Allen Richie Cunningham Jr. Louisa Arcola Delvecchio Alfred Delvecchio Ma Delvecchio Arthur Fonzarelli Raymond "Spike" Fonzarelli Angel Fronzarelli Vito Fronzarelli Angelo "Angie" Fonzarelli Grandma NussbaumDfrr (talk) 07:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dfrr. Perhaps you misunderstand the pupose of the Teahouse. We answer questions about editing Wikipedia. We are not experts in the geneology of the characters of a TV show that went off the air several decades ago. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dfrr: I don't whether this would help, but you could try asking your question on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment. Otherwise a simple Google search might help you resolve it. Cheers--Chamith (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Dfrr already asked this question at the ref desks (last month). S/he has now re-asked it at the entertainment desk and has been pointed to our relevant articles and asked for clarification (just like last time, when s/he failed to follow up with a response). Deor (talk) 11:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Can I take award section of an author as source?

Hello,

I want to write about an author named William Donahue Ellis a writer. I was able to find only one good source which told about his life but it was an award page(http://clevelandartsprize.org/awardees/william_ellis.html). Can I take it as a reference and create a page about him?

Thank YouKomchi^✉_☆ 05:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Komchi. A single reference is rarely if ever considered sufficient to establish notability. Who says that the Cleveland Arts Prize is a notable enough award that winning it establishes the notability of its winners? I notice that Wikipedia does not have an article about the award. That isn't conclusive proof, but you should be prepared to prove that the award itself is independently respected, and explain why other coverage of this writer is lacking. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Alright @Cullen328: Komchi^✉_☆ 08:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion?

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and I am not really familiar with the format for writing articles. One of the articles I just wrote was placed on the Speedy Deletion list even though I did not try to advertise anything, and that makes me feel bad. Is there anyway I can change this? I really want to contribute to the Wiki. Spudipedia (talk) 01:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Spudipedia. Your first version of St. Emily Catholic School was tagged for speedy deletion because it was promotional. Your second version was improperly tagged for not showing context; that tag was removed because the context was clear that it was a school. So it is not currently tagged for deletion. The article, I'm sorry to say, is still not out of trouble, for primary schools are almost never important enough for an article. Ultimately the article will probably be converted to a redirect to the town, parish, or diocese. —teb728 t c 02:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Spudipedia. Please don't take it personally, even if the article you proposed does get deleted. Wikipedia is a complicated beast, with a lot of rules and procedures, and it takes time - and sometimes disappointment - to learn them. As long as you are obviously working in good faith, nobody should think anything bad about you for trying: one of the fundamental ideas of Wikipedia is to be bold, which sometimes means somebody else will disagree with what you have done. If you are going to create more articles, I strongly suggest that you read your first article, and use the article wizard to create your drafts in a safer place. --ColinFine (talk) 00:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

"Negro quartet" and "Nigger quartet"

Both titles are disgusting. But I can remember when, in the 1950s, they were commonly-used nicknames for Dvorak's American Quartet. IMO redirect pages, which I cannot create, are needed from both titles to that article, which mentions them. Narky Blert (talk) 22:50, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Narky Blert. Directions for creating redirect pages are at WP:REDIRECT. Is there another reason you say you can't create them? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Narky Blert, as you said "I can remember when" then I guess this is not Verifiable - only if you can add sources for such names to the main article should you add redirects for these names. KylieTastic (talk) 23:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Cullen328:I've managed to create the redirect from "Negro quartet".

I cannot create a page redirecting from "Nigger quartet": "The title "Nigger quartet" has been banned from creation. It matches the following blacklist entry: .*nig{2,}er.* # nigger" I can't say I'm surprised, high-level approval should be required to create anything as controversial as that.

@KylieTastic: "I can remember when": my assertion is supported by existing citations in String Quartet No. 12 (Dvořák). If it had not been, I would have looked for some. Narky Blert (talk) 00:19, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Dealing with COI / WifiOne

Recently, I asked a question about how to address industry slant in articles here. Related to that is the issue of COI and what we saw happen with the WifiOne case discussed on Jimbo's page here. A user recently wrote this essay with the goal of addressing COI problems. Now some of the same people who have been accused of creating industry slant are the ones trying to have the essay deleted here. What can we do to address the kind of COI that happened with WifiOne and avoid the intimidation tactics of those who protect industry slant? I thought this essay would the right approach. It seems any efforts to address COI will be vigorously opposed. David Tornheim (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

some of the same people who have been accused of creating industry slant ← but without any evidence, right? This dreadfully inept essay is no solution to the problem of COI-tainted editing on Wikipedia and is (deservedly) getting panned by clueful editors. Alexbrn (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your Teahouse visit but we volunteer our time here to help new editors and those with editing questions. Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  21:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

garbled help text

Help:Table#Mélange has the following paragraph:

Here is a more advanced example, showing some more options available for making up tables. Note however that when |colspan= is used in sorting, outside of headers, does not work properly anymore.

Second sentence no scan. Structure:

Note...that

when ...

does not work properly anymore.

What does not work properly anymore? I'm guessing that the problem is just an "it" that was lost in cut-and-paste, but I don't know enough about the subject to be sure of that (which is why I was reading that Help page). I was going to post this on the Talk page, but I got the notice

Attention

Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response or reviewing the Help contents for quick tips.

But since I'm not looking for help on that issue, it seems more appropriate to ask here for someone who is competent to clean that up. To discuss this, please {{Ping}} me. --Thnidu (talk) 15:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Thnidu. From a look at the diff adding that text (by DePiep), what it said previously, and from the edit summary, it appears clear that the intent was to say that sorting will not work properly. I've made that change in the text. If I got it wrong, the ping of DePiep in this post is intended as a failsafe. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Adjusted text looks right and makes the sense (without me checking the whole page). If it is not clear, ping me again. -DePiep (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Yup, makes sense to me. And since DePiep (who knows the subject) says it's correct, I think that's done the trick, Fuhghettaboutit. Case closed! --Thnidu (talk) 05:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

When Will The Super Bowl LIII Article Start

I Hope The Super Bowl LIII Article begins next Month Because they will announces the finalists for the game and cities should be coming soon. Barenight (talk) 14:51, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting the Teahouse Barenight. Am I sensing some kind of eager anticipation on your part to begin editing on such an article?

  Bfpage |leave a message  21:05, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

What to do when no one responds to edit suggestions posted on a talk page

Hello Teahouse. I appreciate it that EN.Wikipedia runs a friendly forum-like place for new people. I'm an avid and longtime EN.Wikipedia user, but completely new to editing Wikipedia. I'm originally from the Netherlands (but reasonably fluent in English), and a software developer by profession.

Relatively recently I came across the EN.Wikipedia article "Montgomery reduction" (it's a mathematics topic, possibly a somewhat specialized one). The topic was then new to me, and I first learned of it via the Wikipedia article. After now having studied the topic for a few weeks, I think I see a few ways to improve that article (including changing its title), and I suggested these on the article's talk page, just over a week ago now.

Since the article's topic is relatively new to me, I think that before I make actual edits it would be good to get opinions and feedback from the people who've contributed to the article (and who may have more experience on the topic and on the customary usage of the associated terminology).

My problem is that no one has yet commented on the suggestions I posted on the article's talk page. So I am unsure what I should do now.

Should I wait some more time for people to comment on my proposal on the talk page? If so, then how long should I wait?

Or should I just go ahead, and post a "Requested move" for the title change, and make edits in the article text?

The problem is that I'm completely new to editing Wikipedia, and unfamiliar with the "ethics" and the customary way of how things are done. I could imagine that posting the "Requested move" and making edits could be a usual way on Wikipedia to get people to comment on those changes? On the other hand, a premature "Requested move" posting could be seen as brash or presumptuous. I simply don't know. I would welcome suggestions. --MRaccoon (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello again MRaccoon (see the question/answer below). Not all articles are visited or edited that frequently, and the traffic seems somewhat slow on the Montgomery reduction (this is how you link to an article). Each article is linked to different projects here. Those can be found at the top of the article's talk page and those are the ones you go to if you want to attract more attention for your proposal. In this case the projects are Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science and Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics. I suggest that you post notes at those, or rather at the talk pages' of the projects. Start with that before you make any move requests. Best, w.carter-Talk 14:34, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello w.carter, many thanks for your comment here and in the other discussion thread. Right, I see now how you make the links.:-) (I've edited in company wikis before, just not in Wikipedia.)

I had not known of the "Projects" and of the fact that these also have their talk pages. That is extremely helpful information, many thanks for alerting me to it. These two Project talk pages indeed look like a good place to post at least my suggestion for changing the name of the Montgomery article. So I'll indeed seek discussion there before I post a "Requested move". (I think I will try the Mathematics project first.)

With respect to your comment in the other thread: Via the article Wikipedia: Five pillars I've now found the article Wikipedia: BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which states: "If you advance a potential edit on the article's talk page, and no response is received after a reasonable amount of time, go ahead and make your edit." (and which then at some length explains why). Which seems to answer my original question pretty well. But I'm glad to know now of the Project talk pages, and I would prefer to seek discussion there before making any edits.

Thanks for your help and with best regards, MRaccoon (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I think you are making the right choice with trying the projects first. Yes, the WP:BOLD does exist, but it is normally not the very first thing you suggest to a newbie. ;) It is better to tread carefully in a new environment. If you get stuck somewhere just give me a 'ping'. I will leave you a little note on your talk page how that is done. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 16:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello again w.carter. Excellent. Thank you for your offer of being available in case I should get stuck.

I've seen your note about the "ping". (So that is where these "at" signs originate from.) Thanks and with best regards, MRaccoon (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

copie an article from WP:de to WP:en - asking for information how to do correct

Hello I just write my second article for the WP-Germany. This is an update about Georg Nees. The old text is just .... My new text is a work in progress and my mentor is now correcting the last errors.

I am looking for some information to integrate my edits in german in the english article Georg Nees on this site. - Maxim Pouska -

copie an article from WP:de to WP:en - asking for information how to do correct --Maxim Pouska (talk) 11:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello there Maxim. So you have added to an article on DE.Wikipedia, and now you would like to make these same additions to the corresponding article on EN.Wikipedia, is that correct? In case you already have the text of the new EN article available and need someone to proof-read it, then maybe I could help. I'm very new to Wikipedia myself, but I'm near fluent in both German and English (I actually live in Germany at the moment), so proofreading an EN text is maybe something I can do. Reply here or comment on my talk page if I can be of service. --MRaccoon (talk) 14:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello both of you, Maxim Pouska and MRaccoon, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is good to see two newbies meeting here and helping each other out. MRaccoon is right that your additions to the article must be in correct English. More so, the text must be in encyclopedic English and referenced. The standards and rules here may differ from those of the German Wikipedia. The best thing would be for both of you to read Wikipedia:Your first article as well as Wikipedia:Five pillars. There are a bunch of links to other good help pages for you gathered in the welcome message you have on your talk pages. You may even be interested in doing the Wikipedia adventure (see the top of this page) to get started here. Best, w.carter-Talk 14:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Maxim Pouska: I took a look at the de:Georg Nees and saw that it was tagged for not being properly referenced, so if you add translated text from that article, you need to find sources to support the new text, otherwise your edits may be reverted. w.carter-Talk 14:49, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Maxim Pouska and MRaccoon. One thing to be careful of is providing mandatory copyright attribution when you add the translated text. It's not difficult: When you copy text from there to here, use an edit summary like this Content in this edit is translated from the existing German Wikipedia article at [[:de:Georg Nees]]; see its history for attribution. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

hello, thanks to all for the fast responce. I know about the rouls allredy, because this is my second article in german. The old article about de:Georg Nees is from the early days. I correcte it now with all the references, exhibition, books, litereture etc. I have sources for this. My first article was about de:Alex Kempkens. I can write simple english and the text will be in an encyclopedic styl. I would like some proof reading and contact MRaccoon for this. But I take my time and my DN mentor too that the text in german is perfect bevor I start with the translation. The englisch article about Georg Nees is OK, but I can add more too the article. Thanks to all. PS I know about copyright - I write the text complet new and my mentor ist taking care for this problem. --Maxim Pouska (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello Maxim Pouska. Understood. I can not promise in advance that at a much later date I will still have time, but when the EN translation is ready and you still welcome proofreaders, then please do not hesitate to notify me. Vielen Erfolg und mit freundlichen Grüßen, MRaccoon (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello again Maxim and all contributors to this thread. Oh my God, after re-reading this thread I now see, Maxim, that I may have misinterpreted your first posting. I hope that I have not thereby caused the discussion to be derailed into a mistaken direction.

I took your phrase "I just write an article" to mean "I just WROTE an article" (where I now see that you probably meant "ich schreibe gerade ein Artikel" = "I am currently writing an article".)

I now see that you probably meant to say that you are currently still in the process of preparing the new text for the DE article, and that the DE article in its current state does not yet show your changes/additions, is that correct? And the purpose of your original question was, prior to starting work on the corresponding EN article, in advance to gather some first information on generally how to go about carrying over changes made in a DE.Wikipedia article, to changes in the corresponding EN.Wikipedia article. Is that correct? Or maybe your question intended also to include asking about whether there exist mechanisms or procedures for keeping the content of DE.Wikipedia articles and EN.Wikipedia articles somehow synchronized.

(There could be a slight cultural difference between the EN-speaking world and Germany; the Germans being used to preparing everything before they make any move, and the Americans being used to plunging directly into execution without much preparation. Americans may be less used to people asking for information far in advance.) On EN-language forums, everything is usually about questions that are very immediate to the person asking the question (which also led me to my misinterpretation). I have relatively little experience on German-language forums, but I strongly suspect that in comparison, the discussion topics on DE.Wikipedia talk pages could be typically relatively more about future planning than they are on EN.Wikipedia. Anyway, me I interpreted you as asking about something you are already in the middle of doing (where I now see that you were very probably asking in advance about something that is still in the future for you).

In case I did indeed misinterpret you, then I'm sorry. I'm extremely new here, but in that case I have a feeling that it could be helpful to the Teahouse people if you repost your question, maybe clarifying a bit more. Or maybe reply to this and in your reply confirm what was your intended question. --MRaccoon (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello Raccoon - no problem. yes the article about Nees you can see on WP:DE now is very old and I did not create it. I am new on WP too. Now I am in the final phase of the new article on my User: Maxim Pouska / Article draft page. Yes as german I ask question to learn to do the job. Something is always different with html and writing. Special the copyright questions are important and complicated. The information I received are helpful and I will read the information. The cultural difference is not a problem. I lived some years in Montreal, Canada and between Quebec and the RoC (Rest of Canada) exist lots of differences - also the US. I inform you if I ready. thanks --Maxim Pouska (talk) 06:54, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hello,

I am editing on Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Phantoms(game) and I wanted to ask whether I could use their website to use a reference for the multiple characters it presents to the gamers?

Thank You.Komchi^✉_☆ 09:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Komchi, if it's their official website then of course you can use it as a source. By the way be careful not to add too much information about characters in the game. And remember you do not need to cite everything. For example game plots and film plots aren't cited usually. Cheers!--Chamith (talk) 09:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

ChamithN(I should have stated some more details)This game is a free-to-play game that means it does not have any plots just title-who wins the game. If Ubisoft(game company) made this game and I use their cite for character references, isn't that WP:SPS?

@Komchi:As long as the things you pick from that site are uncontroversial, you may use it . I like to quote what a very experienced editor said to me about WP:SELFSOURCE when I asked the same question as a newbie:

• "the information must be uncontroversial (children's birthdates are fine, unsubstatiated claims of acheiving cold fusion in the garage are not)"

Best, w.carter-Talk 09:50, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@W.carter:@ChamithN: Thank you again Komchi^✉_☆ 09:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you w.carter for explaining it for me. And Komchi make sure to read WP:ABOUTSELF. Regards--Chamith (talk) 10:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

YouTube

Hi, I want to write an article about YouTube. Will people be intersted?

TermlessFob2375YouTube (talk) 06:26, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Could you be more specific, TermlessFob2375YouTube? You'll get the best answer possible that way. DangerousJXD (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

There is already an article for YouTube. Do you want to create an article about a specific YouTube video or a YouTube celebrity? Please clarify.--Chamith (talk) 09:10, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Have finished writing Band Profile article in User Space and now stuck

Hello all. I have finished writing my first article in a User Space and am about to Save it but am worried. It's not quite right and I need to have someone help me by looking at it to make sure it's okay. My external links section doesn't look right. I need someone to look at the reference section to see if that's right. I also don't know if I'm supposed to sign it before I save it. It's definitely not ready to go live. I need to make sure someone else can see that I have proved the band notable, that it's neutral with no puffery. Help! What I do next? Corazon70Corazon70 (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Corazon70: I went ahead and moved it to the article space and am making a few tweaks. But it certainly looks ready to me. Good work! --Jayron32 02:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jayron32 - Thank you so much! Does that mean it's like approved or could it still be deleted in future if someone doesn't like it? Corazon70Corazon70 (talk) 04:30, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Corazon70: AFC "approval" is an optional process. Know that you're not required to follow it. We recommend that new users follow it as a sort of training thing, but any article can be put in the main space without approval. And my moving it to the main space doesn't give any formal stamp of "approval". I'm an editor no different than you, excepting that I've been here a while. My opinion is not official; really no one's is around here. Wikipedia doesn't have any official body to give approval of anything. All that being said; the article isn't going anywhere. It's not because I "approved" it, but because my years of experience tells me the minimum standards at WP:GNG have been cleared here. Any other experienced editor would say the same. Good luck with your further time at Wikipedia, if there is anything else I can help you with, feel free to contact me, and I'll see what I can do. --Jayron32 04:36, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jayron32: Okay, thank you for your explanation. There just seemed to be this thing of people being really worried about deletion of articles for all kinds of different reasons. Corazon70Corazon70 (talk) 04:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, articles get deleted all the time. Most commonly it is because new users are unaware of Wikipedia's standards for having an article about a subject in the first place. Not everything that exists merits an article, and articles should be self-evidently about notable subjects. Once an article is about a self-evidently notable subject (as evidenced by the coverage of the subject in reliable sources) then it's here to stay. The article about this band had met those minimum standards, which is why it won't be deleted. --Jayron32 04:44, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jayron32 - Oh that puts my mind at ease. Thank you again so much for your time and trouble and have a great rest of your weekend.Corazon70Corazon70 (talk) 17:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Wrong imformation+Wrong citation, What should I do?

Hello, I am editing article,Call of Duty 3 where I say Gamespot review score as 9 but when I checked it did not have it instead it had 8.2 score. How can I check who did it or can someone take appropriate steps for me or teach me how to do it. Thank Komchi^✉_☆ 16:54, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Komchi. If you spot an error on Wikipedia, you're more than welcome to correct it yourself by editing the page. Make sure that you cite your sources so that other people can similarly verify the statements you make. And if you think there might be disagreement, you may just opt to start a talk page discussion instead, presenting the evidence you found and seeking others' insights into how to resolve the contradictions. Make sense? Keihatsu ^talk 17:52, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Keihatsu:Yeah, Thank You Komchi^✉_☆ 17:57, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Komchi, this is the sort of information that will change regularly. It may have been 9 when the previous editor checked, and now it has changed. Tomorrow it may change again. To handle a situation like this, you can use {{as of}} in the text to show when the information was current, and use one of the services that will archive the Web page (such as Webcite) to save a permanent copy of the page as it is now, for reference.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Gronk Oz I do not believe that is true because after a game releases all his Downloadable contents and extras and officially announce no more updates will be coming then the reviewers give it a final score which never changes by that time it may change though. Komchi^✉_☆ 02:22, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Good point, Komchi. I suppose it depends on whether that score comes from the site's own reviewers (in which case it will be stable) or from readers' feedback (in which case it could change). I do not have any insight into how they handle it on this particular site, so if you do then of course go with that.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I have just done a complete update of my Profile which has been rejected. Please advise

I am Professor Satvinder Juss. My edit of my now details has been rejected and I do not understand why. Please Advice Satvinder Juss (talk) 11:56, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Satvinder Juss: Welcome to the Teahouse. I reverted your edit per WP:AUTO; avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, as they often result in original research and/or a conflict of interest. --TL22 (talk) 13:33, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Satvinder Juss:, the fact that you refer to your "profile" might point to a basic mis-understanding of what Wikipedia is about. It is not a professional or personal networking site like Linkedin or Facebook, and you don't create a profile for yourself here. This is an encyclopedia, where editors write independent articles about notable subjects.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Satvinder Juss:, you can create a profile on your user page provided your intention is to help with areas of the encyclopedia other than just an article about yourself. The profile should relate specifically to your activities here and not to promoting yourself. If you are here only to create your profile, then the above advice applies.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:53, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Satvinder, TL22, Vchimpanzee - I think we can be a bit more constructive here, per the guideline WP:BIOSELF. Please correct me if I am wrong, but here is my understanding of how to move ahead. Satvinder is a notable person who is already the subject of an article (Satvinder S. Juss), and who is trying to bring it up to date in good faith (that is what I shall assume). Satvinder, the best way to proceed is for you to describe what you think should change on the Talk page of that article, and include independent references in reliable sources to back up each statement. Those references are vital; without them, information will not be verifiable and so it cannot be included. Once you have done this, other editors who do not have your conflict of interest can decide the best way to incorporate that new information into the article. The guideline I mentioned above lists several ways to invite editors or admins to act on your comments. I hope this helps to move things forward.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I just noticed that the entire article has been nominated for deletion. Now is the time to provide those references, to verify the information provided and to show notability. So far, neither of the references that were provided actually support the statements they were supposed to. Biographies of living people must have valid references, so if you want to save the article then NOW is the time to provide them.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Can I create a wiki article on myself?

I'm a YouTuber. I have a handle called tomboy diaries and I basically want to promote it. Having a wiki article will give it a cool, "in demand" vibe. I wanted to ask whether it will be appropriate and/or viewed enough not to be deleted because of less views. I'm hoping for an honest answer. Please help? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomboy diaries (talk • contribs) 11:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Article is not deleted based on number of views. You should read WP:PROMOTION. Unless you can show why you are notable, your article will likely be speedy deleted.--Cahk (talk) 11:27, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Taking a slightly different view to @Cahk:. It is generally frowned upon to write articles about yourself. If you are notable, someone will write an article about you. TheMagikCow (talk) 14:16, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid that there is a fairly common view on the English Wikipedia that "being famous on Youtube is similar to being rich in Monopoly". For such an article to stand it would need solid independent reliable sources published outside of Youtube itself. Look for in depth mainstream media coverage such as news, magazines or reputable ezines. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:Autobiography for why this is a bad idea - especially the statement "If you create an autobiography, you must have no promotional intent" which you have clearly stated you have.
I also suggest you read the "Law of Unintended Consequences" which includes:- "If you write about yourself, your group or your company, once the article is created, you have no right to control its content .... If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want to have included in an article, it will probably find its way there eventually." - Arjayay (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I think you need to have more notability, I have attempted to make a BLP on myself before and it was deleted. Ay Yowai (talk) 22:58, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

How to mark up blockquotes containing multiple paragraphs

According to the wiki documentation I've seen so far, blockquotes are said to be marked up like so:

<blockquote>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.</blockquote>

which display as you'd expect:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.

However, this style of markup doesn't work with multiple-paragraph quotes:

<blockquote>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Consectetuer adipiscing elit.</blockquote>

The above displays as a single blockquoted paragraph:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Consectetuer adipiscing elit.

I have found a workaround, to enter a carriage return immediately after the opening tag:

<blockquote> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Consectetuer adipiscing elit.</blockquote>

Now the two paragraphs are properly formatted:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.

Consectetuer adipiscing elit.

This foible strikes me as significant enough to add to the wiki documentation. Do you agree? Juniperpaul (talk) 22:36, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Juniperpaul. The carriage return to start a new paragraph does not apply just to blockquotes. It is the standard way to create a new paragraph in wikicode and is familiar to all experienced editors. We do not use the old technique of indenting at the beginning of a new paragraph.

More importantly, it is rare that a Wikipedia article should include a quote of several paragraphs. Most material published since 1923 is copyrighted, and it is best to limit quotes from copyrighted sources to no more than two or three sentences, except in limited cases. Even when quoting older sources where copyright has expired, an encyclopedia article should summarize and paraphrase the sources, rather than quoting them at great length. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Cullen328. I believe I'm using blockquotes properly to format blocks of quoted text (not as a way of indenting normal text). I want to format the quotes as more than one paragraph only because that's how the original text was written.

What I'm pointing out is a peculiarity in the way the wiki software displays blockquote markup. Carriage returns separating text within the blockquote are ignored unless there's a carriage return immediately after the opening <blockquote> tag.

I've added Template:Code markup to my post above to make it more clear what I mean. Juniperpaul (talk) 20:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

'what links here' question

Dear friends, When I use 'what links here' tool, I'd really like to see the articles that link to a particular article X. But if article X is placed into some Infobox, then, instead, I get to see the list of articles where this Infobox is included. Not the same thing! :)

So, in other words, is there a way to sort out the Infobox links from the real links? Some search filter perhaps? Thank you. Eio-cos (talk) 18:35, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Eio-cos: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you visit Special:WhatLinksHere, you'll see a list of filters. Selecting "Hide transclusions" will disclude links from templates, such as the infoboxes. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, SuperHamster. I tried what you suggested but it didn't work... Specifically, I'm looking for pages that link to Teuchitlan tradition. On my browser (FF) I didn't see "Hide transclusions" as filter; I saw it as hotlink instead, after I used WhatLinksHere. So when I clicked hotlink "Hide transclusions", nothing happens, and I still see a long and useless list of articles where an Infobox is included.

If you have a link with the appropriate results that I seek, please post it for me. Thanks in advance. Eio-cos (talk) 18:58, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Eio-cos: It's a frequent request but not possible. Many previous requests are listed at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 March 25#Filtering "what links here". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for late response, friends. I had a system crash, but now it´s fine.

So, as I understand it, the "Hide transclusions" function in Wikipedia is broken, and cannot be used? Please clarify. Eio-cos (talk) 22:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Eio-cos: "Hide transclusions" is not broken but it does something other than some users expect. It's only useful for pages which are sometimes transcluded, mainly templates. Consider for example Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox film. It's mostly articles saying "(transclusion)" because those articles contain code of form {{Infobox film|...}} to transclude Template:Infobox film. "Hide transclusions" will remove these and only display pages which wikilink the template, for example with the code [[Template:Infobox film]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, PrimeHunter. So, as I understand it, the answer to my original question, "Is there a way to sort out the Infobox links from the real links?" is No. Is this correct? Eio-cos (talk) 22:53, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Eio-cos: That is correct. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Today I learned, @PrimeHunter: Thanks! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Showing a Connection Between Two People If there is no published source

--Annalynnehurtgen (talk) 00:21, 8 April 2015 (UTC)If you want to show a connection between two people when there is no published third-party source, is it possible to have a person write a letter to wikipedia verifying that it is indeed true that there is a connection between those two people and that that is allowed to be published as such on Wikipedia? Is there an official way to do that?