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Sam [Spade] 17:25, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Loki is not a god! What??? Why??? We have him down as a god all over Wikipedia! --AlainV 23:34, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

To quote the writings on the article Loki: "Loki is actually not a god at all, but a Jotun (the Titans and Gigantes of Norse mythology), although he mixed freely with the gods for a long time, even becoming Odin's foster-brother." You can call him a half-god, I guess no one will object to that, but when you call him a god, that is just wrong. He is only allowed to stay in Ásgardur because, he is Odin's blood brother, for just that, you can't consider him a god, he doesn't even have a home in Ásgard like the "real" gods. If you can find me some references in EDDA for example, where he is actualy refered to as a god, I will eat my hat :)

My course in Old Norse is far away so I have to rely on translations into english instead of reading and understanding the original. And translations are not always faithful. Maybe you can enlighten me given that Icelandic is so close to old Norse: Remember when Thor and Loki journey to visit Utgard-Loki and that giant puts them through a series of trials whose reality he has hidden with his magic? At one point we are told: Asa Loki said, "I am most famous for my eating. Choose from among yourselves the one who can eat the most, and let us try our powers against each other." Now, did the translator add the "Asa" before Loki's name or was it in the original text? And if it was there, can we interpret it to mean "god" in the Norse sense of the term? If not, should other terms be considered more true, and thus correct references to Loki as a god? Swing-Loki would be more definitive? Or not? --AlainV 01:52, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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	:To quote the writings on the article ''[[Loki]]'': "Loki is actually not a god at all, but a Jotun (the Titans and Gigantes of Norse mythology), although he mixed freely with the gods for a long time, even becoming Odin's foster-brother." You can call him a ''half-god'', I guess no one will object to that, but when you call him a god, that is just wrong. He is only allowed to stay in Ásgardur because, he is Odin's blood brother, for just that, you can't consider him a god, he doesn't even have a home in Ásgard like the "real" gods. If you can find me some references in EDDA for example, where he is actualy refered to as a god, I will eat my hat :)		:To quote the writings on the article ''[[Loki]]'': "Loki is actually not a god at all, but a Jotun (the Titans and Gigantes of Norse mythology), although he mixed freely with the gods for a long time, even becoming Odin's foster-brother." You can call him a ''half-god'', I guess no one will object to that, but when you call him a god, that is just wrong. He is only allowed to stay in Ásgardur because, he is Odin's blood brother, for just that, you can't consider him a god, he doesn't even have a home in Ásgard like the "real" gods. If you can find me some references in EDDA for example, where he is actualy refered to as a god, I will eat my hat :)

			My course in Old Norse is far away so I have to rely on translations into english instead of reading and understanding the original. And translations are not always faithful. Maybe you can enlighten me given that Icelandic is so close to old Norse: Remember when Thor and Loki journey to visit Utgard-Loki and that giant puts them through a series of trials whose reality he has hidden with his magic? At one point we are told: '''Asa Loki said, "I am most famous for my eating. Choose from among yourselves the one who can eat the most, and let us try our powers against each other."''' Now, did the translator add the "Asa" before Loki's name or was it in the original text? And if it was there, can we interpret it to mean "god" in the Norse sense of the term? If not, should other terms be considered more true, and thus correct references to Loki as a god? Swing-Loki would be more definitive? Or not? --[[User:AlainV\|AlainV]] 01:52, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)