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Is the purported last photograph actually a photograph? It looks more like a painting to me. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Slamdac|Slamdac]] ([[User talk:Slamdac|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Slamdac|contribs]]) 10:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Is the purported last photograph actually a photograph? It looks more like a painting to me. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Slamdac|Slamdac]] ([[User talk:Slamdac|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Slamdac|contribs]]) 10:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Concur. Looks like a painting.[[Special:Contributions/131.79.183.32|131.79.183.32]] ([[User talk:131.79.183.32|talk]]) 14:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC) |
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:I'm pretty sure it is a photo. We're talking about the one entering the Temple of Music, right?--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 10:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC) |
:I'm pretty sure it is a photo. We're talking about the one entering the Temple of Music, right?--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 10:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC) |
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More on lede
[x talk page rjensen]
Your emphasis on McKinley denouncing free silver is incorrect, he said as little about it as he could because he didn't want to polarize. Hobart was much louder on the subject, but for the most part, it was McKinley's surrogates who did it. The reason the lede is unsourced is because it is supported by the body of the article. That isn't in the article, because it is inaccurate. And we do not have to mention free silver twice in the lede. I am uncertain you noticed that it was already in the first paragraph because you linked it. Let's discuss.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:35, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- yes. more exactly he denounced inflation and called for sound money. technically he favored bimetallism, both gold and silver. Rjensen (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, Republicans in the west tried to sell him as pro silver based on his Bland-Allison and Sherman Silver Purchase votes. He was a very adept politician.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- I've massaged your changes into the text.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:02, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- I would rather have the lede paragraph the way we had it. It isn't just about content, it's about presentation, and there is a way to present a subject in a lede that I have found successful.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- the lede should start by what he is famous for (tariffs, gold, Spain), and not assassination. Many readers want a 20 second reminder of who he was. Rjensen (talk) 22:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think I would agree with you, if this article were being marketed to historians. For the general public, they think "shot" and "war". They've never heard of the gold standard, unless they plan to vote for Ron Paul, in which case they don't have a clue what it actually means. I would rather reward them with a bit of familiarity before depositing them in the alien world of 1896!--Wehwalt (talk) 22:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- start with tariffs, gold, jobs, Spain, campaigning, Republican politics and readers will get what they want and need. skip the assassination business--(this isn't Kennedy) Rjensen (talk) 02:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- I do not think it effective to put the tariff first. He is not known among the general public for that, and the top of the lede is not the place for education. Please look at WP:LEDE if you get a chance. I am granting you more deference than I would many other editors in the content; please defer to me as to the manner in which the material is presented. I do not have credentials, but I do have experience in writing ledes in articles destined for top-level status and there is an art to it.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- start with tariffs, gold, jobs, Spain, campaigning, Republican politics and readers will get what they want and need. skip the assassination business--(this isn't Kennedy) Rjensen (talk) 02:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think I would agree with you, if this article were being marketed to historians. For the general public, they think "shot" and "war". They've never heard of the gold standard, unless they plan to vote for Ron Paul, in which case they don't have a clue what it actually means. I would rather reward them with a bit of familiarity before depositing them in the alien world of 1896!--Wehwalt (talk) 22:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- the lede should start by what he is famous for (tariffs, gold, Spain), and not assassination. Many readers want a 20 second reminder of who he was. Rjensen (talk) 22:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- I would rather have the lede paragraph the way we had it. It isn't just about content, it's about presentation, and there is a way to present a subject in a lede that I have found successful.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- I've massaged your changes into the text.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:02, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, Republicans in the west tried to sell him as pro silver based on his Bland-Allison and Sherman Silver Purchase votes. He was a very adept politician.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- yes. more exactly he denounced inflation and called for sound money. technically he favored bimetallism, both gold and silver. Rjensen (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- The Wiki rule is "the lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies." The assassination is not something McKinley did -- the tariff, gold, the GOP, Spain are his main achievements. "known among the general public" is not the criteria -- the criteria according to WP:LEAD is "The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources, and the notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences. " Now the general public gets its information from history classes--where else? -- that use standard textbooks, So a reasonable compromise would be to rely mostly on history textbooks, in addition to RS. Rjensen (talk) 08:46, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- The general public gets its information from many other places besides college textbooks. Biographies, web sites, etc. Please note the "explain why the topic is interesting or notable" part. If the first thing you mention about McKinley is the tariff you will bore and turn off the reader.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- "many other places" --well no it doesn't. everyone goes to school and reads textbooks. As for books , yes that's what we're mostly using and they emphasize economic themes, Spain, and (in Kevin Phillips) the realignment of 1896. as for the web by far the #1 destination for this kind of info is this very article. Economic issues in 2012 are phrased as jobs (and for Ron Paul, "gold") -- so we can phrase the tariff issue in terms of jobs, as McK himself did (see the 1890 quote). Rjensen (talk) 09:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- moving assassination in lede--good move! Rjensen (talk) 09:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was about to post. I ran google searches which gave the most hits for associating McKinley with war, so let's keep that first. I think I had the assassination first to make the prose work better, one of the thing I am trying to do in a lede is to try to interest the reader in the article, and I think that's still OK now. When I'm sure Alarbus is off the article, I will name McKinley's 1890 opponent (it is not mentioned and is not in the succession boxes at the foot of the article) and slightly shorten what you inserted. I imagine you mentioned it in your work. I have an image somewhere I can bring in that will look good with what you inserted ...
- it was John G. Warwick Rjensen (talk) 10:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I did a little fast research! Do you mention the loss of the Ohio Legislature and the governorship in 1889 due to Foraker's third run and the disunion in the Ohio Republican Party?--Wehwalt (talk) 10:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- yes I have detailed coverage of 1889 in Winning of the Midwest 116-8; the whole book is online free. Rjensen (talk) 10:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- Great, later in the day (Alarbus: I'm staying off the article until this afternoon US EST so you can do your work) I'll look at it.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- yes I have detailed coverage of 1889 in Winning of the Midwest 116-8; the whole book is online free. Rjensen (talk) 10:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I did a little fast research! Do you mention the loss of the Ohio Legislature and the governorship in 1889 due to Foraker's third run and the disunion in the Ohio Republican Party?--Wehwalt (talk) 10:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- it was John G. Warwick Rjensen (talk) 10:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was about to post. I ran google searches which gave the most hits for associating McKinley with war, so let's keep that first. I think I had the assassination first to make the prose work better, one of the thing I am trying to do in a lede is to try to interest the reader in the article, and I think that's still OK now. When I'm sure Alarbus is off the article, I will name McKinley's 1890 opponent (it is not mentioned and is not in the succession boxes at the foot of the article) and slightly shorten what you inserted. I imagine you mentioned it in your work. I have an image somewhere I can bring in that will look good with what you inserted ...
- moving assassination in lede--good move! Rjensen (talk) 09:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- "many other places" --well no it doesn't. everyone goes to school and reads textbooks. As for books , yes that's what we're mostly using and they emphasize economic themes, Spain, and (in Kevin Phillips) the realignment of 1896. as for the web by far the #1 destination for this kind of info is this very article. Economic issues in 2012 are phrased as jobs (and for Ron Paul, "gold") -- so we can phrase the tariff issue in terms of jobs, as McK himself did (see the 1890 quote). Rjensen (talk) 09:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- The general public gets its information from many other places besides college textbooks. Biographies, web sites, etc. Please note the "explain why the topic is interesting or notable" part. If the first thing you mention about McKinley is the tariff you will bore and turn off the reader.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi. A couple things. I'm going to drop a few more refs out of the {reflist} so they can use {sfn}, I'll wait until things seem quite before risking {ec}. One the lede, you both are quite immersed in the details of the politics of the day. What Big Bill is mostly known for is being shot by Czolgosz and thus getting Teddy in the Whitehouse. He was also behind Teddy and Dewey and the Span-Am war, and Remember the Maine and all the jingoism. The tariff and monetary policies are important, but mostly belong below the fold. Carry on. Alarbus (talk) 11:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- if people are interested in TR the good news is they don't have to waste their time on this article. People who want to know what really happened, according the the RS, can read it instead.Rjensen (talk) 11:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- gee, thanks. Alarbus (talk) 11:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- if people are interested in TR the good news is they don't have to waste their time on this article. People who want to know what really happened, according the the RS, can read it instead.Rjensen (talk) 11:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Sherman, Sherman, Sherman
The constant use of a last name is ridiculous. The name Sherman is used about a dozen times, sometimes as "Senator Sherman" but only once is John Sherman fully named. Honestly, I don't think wiki people understand how the average user uses these pages, as some of your "rules" are unhelpful. Only using a link once, for example. Often a person comes to an enormous page such as this for only one subheading, but is then forced to read the whole thing in search of links and full names. Not cool. More reasons WP sucks for research. 184.77.189.134 (talk) 15:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- I grant your point, but how would you see it done?--Wehwalt (talk) 15:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Length
I think we are going to get comments we are too long, Brianboulton, who will review the article when he has a free moment, hinted as much. I think we should look to cut by about 10 percent. Presently, we are pushing 14,000 words.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- there is too much on the Civil war--the material says very little about McKinley and lowers the overall usefulness of the article. The danger is that students will spend too much time and miss the major story that in his last decade of life. Rjensen (talk) 00:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- It's already been trimmed enough. The article is the biography of a man, not just a political analysis. People other than students read Wikipedia, and some of them might want to read a bit about McKinley's time at war. His biographers certainly discuss it. --Coemgenus (talk) 01:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- the section on the Civil War is poorly done. Mostly it's about the commanders of various units. What McK did and how he reacted to it and how it shaped his life is notable missing. What you get instead is useless info not about McK. for example this sort of stuffing I(and all of the following section): he regiment resumed its advance that spring with Hayes in command (Scammon by then led the brigade) and fought several minor engagements against the rebel forces.[20] That September, McKinley's regiment was called east to reinforce General John Pope's Army of Virginia at the Second Battle of Bull Run.[21] Delayed in passing through Washington, D.C., the 23rd Ohio did not arrive in time for the battle, but joined the Army of the Potomac as it hurried north to cut off Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia as it was advanced into Maryland.[21] The 23rd was the first regiment to encounter the Confederates at the Battle of South Mountain on September 14.[22] After severe losses, Union forces drove back the Confederates and continued to Sharpsburg, Maryland, where they engaged Lee's army at the Battle of Antietam, one of the bloodiest battles of the war.[23] The 23rd was also in the thick of the fighting at Antietam, and McKinley himself came under heavy fire when bringing rations to the men on the line.[23][a] McKinley's regiment again suffered many casualties, but the Army of the Potomac was victorious and the Confederates retreated into Virginia.[23] The regiment was then detached from the Army of the Potomac and returned by train to western Virginia.[24] Rjensen (talk) 02:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- Would you mind keeping your edit summaries civil? I didn't call it "useless stuffing" when you addded your own book to the bibliography. Rudeness won't help us to achieve consensus. --Coemgenus (talk) 02:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- I made the point that the war materials is not really about McKinley. too much of the war the text is superflous, unnecessary, useless, un-revealing of McKinley, old-fashioned, not atuned with modern scholarship on soldier motivations, time-wasting and should be deleted to save space. To please Coemgenus I will withdraw the word he finds so dreadful, "stuffing." Rjensen (talk) 02:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- Can't this wait until after the FAC?--Wehwalt (talk) 08:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- It can wait until Hell freezes over. Hard disks are cheap. Alarbus (talk) 09:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- article that are too long and too full of extraneous low-information material don't really deserve exemplary praise. What's in short supply is not disk space but readers' attention. Rjensen (talk) 15:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- It can wait until Hell freezes over. Hard disks are cheap. Alarbus (talk) 09:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- Can't this wait until after the FAC?--Wehwalt (talk) 08:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- I made the point that the war materials is not really about McKinley. too much of the war the text is superflous, unnecessary, useless, un-revealing of McKinley, old-fashioned, not atuned with modern scholarship on soldier motivations, time-wasting and should be deleted to save space. To please Coemgenus I will withdraw the word he finds so dreadful, "stuffing." Rjensen (talk) 02:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- Would you mind keeping your edit summaries civil? I didn't call it "useless stuffing" when you addded your own book to the bibliography. Rudeness won't help us to achieve consensus. --Coemgenus (talk) 02:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- the section on the Civil War is poorly done. Mostly it's about the commanders of various units. What McK did and how he reacted to it and how it shaped his life is notable missing. What you get instead is useless info not about McK. for example this sort of stuffing I(and all of the following section): he regiment resumed its advance that spring with Hayes in command (Scammon by then led the brigade) and fought several minor engagements against the rebel forces.[20] That September, McKinley's regiment was called east to reinforce General John Pope's Army of Virginia at the Second Battle of Bull Run.[21] Delayed in passing through Washington, D.C., the 23rd Ohio did not arrive in time for the battle, but joined the Army of the Potomac as it hurried north to cut off Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia as it was advanced into Maryland.[21] The 23rd was the first regiment to encounter the Confederates at the Battle of South Mountain on September 14.[22] After severe losses, Union forces drove back the Confederates and continued to Sharpsburg, Maryland, where they engaged Lee's army at the Battle of Antietam, one of the bloodiest battles of the war.[23] The 23rd was also in the thick of the fighting at Antietam, and McKinley himself came under heavy fire when bringing rations to the men on the line.[23][a] McKinley's regiment again suffered many casualties, but the Army of the Potomac was victorious and the Confederates retreated into Virginia.[23] The regiment was then detached from the Army of the Potomac and returned by train to western Virginia.[24] Rjensen (talk) 02:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- It's already been trimmed enough. The article is the biography of a man, not just a political analysis. People other than students read Wikipedia, and some of them might want to read a bit about McKinley's time at war. His biographers certainly discuss it. --Coemgenus (talk) 01:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Close PR?
Shall we close the PR and go for FAC? Now that Brian's finished his excellent review and we've made adjustments, we may not get anymore comments, and we may as well get them at FAC.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- I don't have a problem with that. I want to read over Brian's last few comments again, especially about the civil rights section, before FAC, but that shouldn't take long -- hopefully I can do it tonight. You and I both have open FA noms -- will that be a problem? --Coemgenus (talk) 20:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- No, we're allowed a second nom if it's a joint one. I'll keep Assassination away from FAC until this one's home free, though. I would appreciate it if you would look over the civil rights thing, I'm a bit taken aback that "black" is so unacceptable and would be grateful for your view and that of Rjensen.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- I've written FAs before with that word, though I tend to use it only as an adjective. Never had any complaints until now. --Coemgenus (talk) 22:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- Its' Afro-American that seems outdated to me, actually. I wonder if there's anyone we can ask for an outside opinion. Tony1, perhaps?--Wehwalt (talk) 22:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I haven't heard that since my school days, and even then only in lessons -- I don't remember a black student calling himself "Afro-American". But, yes, an outside opinion couldn't hurt. Is there an MoS on the subject? --Coemgenus (talk) 22:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- My high school had no
blacksAfrican Americans for most of my time, which was simply the way things were there,blacksAfrican Americans went to high schools in more urban towns and generally cleaned our clocks in the state tournaments. I didn't see anything obvious in the MOS, which means little, the MOS is probably larger than the ex-Encyclopedia Britannica. I'm inclined to take our lumps on this one, on reflection. Even if we're right, we could turn out wrong if Brian's attitude is more widely shared at FAC.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:41, 14 March 2012 (UTC)- Well, if you want to keep it as "African American", I won't make any changes. The rest of the language works as is. --Coemgenus (talk) 00:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
- I closed the PR. If you don't object, I'll launch the FA nom tonight. --Coemgenus (talk) 12:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- FA nomination is live! --Coemgenus (talk) 23:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- I closed the PR. If you don't object, I'll launch the FA nom tonight. --Coemgenus (talk) 12:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- Well, if you want to keep it as "African American", I won't make any changes. The rest of the language works as is. --Coemgenus (talk) 00:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
- My high school had no
- Yes, I haven't heard that since my school days, and even then only in lessons -- I don't remember a black student calling himself "Afro-American". But, yes, an outside opinion couldn't hurt. Is there an MoS on the subject? --Coemgenus (talk) 22:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
More on lead
The lead claims that McKinley's presidency began a period of Republican dominance. How can this be true? Republicans had been dominant ever since the Civil War, both in Congress and in the White House. If anything I would say he "reaffirmed" it after Grover Cleveland, but not "began" it. Brutannica (talk) 18:40, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Parties tended to lose control of Congress in the off-year election, sometimes very dramatically (1890 and 1894, for example), and no president had been re-elected since Grant. It was a 50/50 nation. Harrison had won the presidency with a minority thanks to the Electoral College, and 1880 and 1876 had been very narrow Republican wins (1876, well ...) Republicans didn't lose control of either again until Wilson, under internal dissent.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:51, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- And the FA summation says, "but his presidency began a period of over a third of a century dominated by the Republican Party", which is totally meaningless. At least the article is a bit better.
- However, Republican domination lasted from 1861 to 1933, with only 20 years out of 72 being led by Republicans. •Jim62sch•dissera! 19:04, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- In 1893, the Democrats had gotten more votes in the last three presidential elections, and the Republicans had taken a terrible beating in Congress in back to back elections. McKinley did something about that (although, granted, the Democrats had a very bad 1894 election).--Wehwalt (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Postage Image Substitute
I have removed the following stamp image. It has been established by consensus in the GA and FA review of numerous presidential articles that postage commemorations lack appropriate significance per WP:Images and WP:MOS See Talk pages for Lincoln, Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Roosevelt. A link has been added for the reader to US Presidential Stamps. Hoppyh (talk) 22:26, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- I suppose it was basically decorative. The article's fairly stuffed with images, I won't look to replace it unless I see something interesting.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:35, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- A couple earlier sections may look crowded to the image experts but there is room for something in that section. How about Mt. McKinley image following? Hoppyh (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- I had the good fortune of seeing it on my only trip to inland Alaska, almost 30 years ago ... but I'm not sure it says anything about the man.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- A couple earlier sections may look crowded to the image experts but there is room for something in that section. How about Mt. McKinley image following? Hoppyh (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Categorization - Freemason
Earlier, I removed Category:American Freemasons from this article. That has been reverted, so it is now time to discuss the issue. The Wikipedia guideline that governs this is WP:Categorization of people (with an emphasis on the section: WP:COP#General considerations. It states that we are supposed to "Categorize by those characteristics that make the person notable".
If being a Freemason is a characteristic that makes McKinley notable, then I would expect at least a short paragraph on his membership in the article. At the moment, all the article has is one "in passing" reference ("McKinley found time to join a Freemason lodge (later renamed after him) in Winchester, Virginia, before he and Carroll were transferred to Hancock's First Veterans Corps in Washington."). I don't think this is enough to justify the categorization. We need more. The question is... what more can we say? Ideas? Blueboar (talk) 14:06, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Probably not too much more. I try not to get involved with categories because I don't greatly care about them and others do I don't know what you would say more than we have also. He was a freemason, and like many lawyer/politicians before and since joined everything in sight to drum up work/votes.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
500-dollar bill
I think changing the obverse of the $500 bill from depicting Chief Justice Marshall to President McKinley in 1928 is a relevant legacy and should be included on William McKinley's page as more than just a point of trivia. I don't know the circumstances of why he was chosen but it is interesting that he was selected over other former presidents including fellow Republican Teddy Roosevelt. Is this an indication that he was he still quite popular 27 years after his death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.75.113 (talk) 14:19, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- Not really certain. McKinley, I believe, appeared on several banknotes. I'm not an expert on them. He also appeared on several stamps into the 1920s (not counting the Presidential series, on which every deceased president appeared). We'd need to know more about the reasons for same.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:37, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
See also
Has that "see also" section always been there? It seems like unnecessary clutter. Anyone object to deleting it? --Coemgenus (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- good idea Rjensen (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- I think at least the postal one has been there for a while. No objection to deletion. McKinley was on a fair number of regular-issue postage stamps in the first quarter of the 20th century, then dropped away, and except for the Prexy issue of 1938 and the AMERIPEX souvenir sheets of 1986 (in both cases honors shared by every other dead president), hasn't been on much since. I don't think it needs to be there.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- I deleted it. --Coemgenus (talk) 21:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- I think at least the postal one has been there for a while. No objection to deletion. McKinley was on a fair number of regular-issue postage stamps in the first quarter of the 20th century, then dropped away, and except for the Prexy issue of 1938 and the AMERIPEX souvenir sheets of 1986 (in both cases honors shared by every other dead president), hasn't been on much since. I don't think it needs to be there.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- good idea Rjensen (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Last photograph?/painting?
Is the purported last photograph actually a photograph? It looks more like a painting to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slamdac (talk • contribs) 10:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
- Concur. Looks like a painting.131.79.183.32 (talk) 14:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure it is a photo. We're talking about the one entering the Temple of Music, right?--Wehwalt (talk) 10:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes the one where he is walking up the stairs. Maybe it's the old technology but it looks more like a painting to me/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slamdac (talk • contribs) 13:36, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- It's labeled in the source "last known photographs". There were undoubtedly a multitude of depictions of McKinley on his deathbed--Wehwalt (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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