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Hamilton Fire Department

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No content, no sources, fails WP:GNG & WP:ORG Zackmann08 (talk) 00:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk 00:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

(Delete) Fire departments are not a class of topic where every one that exists is automatically entitled to an article — nearly every municipality of any size has one of either the volunteer or professional kinds, so you have to make and source some pretty distinctive and substantive claims of significance to get a fire department into Wikipedia. But that hasn't been done here — this is a one-line stub which just asserts the FD's existence and sources it nowhere. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can write and source a real article about it. Bearcat (talk) 01:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Comment Well said Bearcat. If this page had actual content per WP:FIRE-STRUCT... Well then it would be different. --Zackmann08 (talk) 01:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom - all these non-notable police and fire departments should be deleted in mass —Мандичка^YO 😜 01:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
• Keep - there's plenty of reliable content online with which to expand this article, such as: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] and so on. Way too premature to delete this article. Worth mentioning that Hamilton is a fairly large city with over 500,000 residents, it's not a tiny backwater municipality. mikeman67 (talk) 14:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
• Keep. Fire department with about thirty stations. Easily large enough for a common sense keep. As to "no content", you should probably try reading WP:STUB. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:56, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: Based on that argument any city with a high population could have a page created saying "The <insert city name> fire department provides fire protection for <insert city name>." And nothing more. If this page were created right now, it wouldn't last a day before being deleted. --Zackmann08 (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

• Indeed it could. Your point is? That's exactly what stubs are for - to kickstart articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

• Delete: Wikipedia is not a random collection of information. It is not the white pages. It is not the blue pages (for you people who remember actual white pages). It is not the government guide to Yourtown. For a fire department to be notable, it must be notable, and that means achieving notoriety, not being the subject of a budget battle or putting out a fire. Nor is a city of 500,000 more notable in this regard than one of 10,000, inasmuch as CIVILFUNCTION will remain functional on a sliding scale. Notability will be as likely in a small town as a large city, since the actions that would create it will be the same. No, being a government building does not make a place notable, unless Wikipedia is taking over the abolished Statistical Abstract of the United States. Hithladaeus (talk) 17:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
  • "Nor is a city of 500,000 more notable in this regard than one of 10,000..." I'm afraid I'm going to have to say: Drivel! Of course it is! So, what you're saying is that the New York Police Department, if it didn't have any issues and just did its job without ever getting into trouble or getting any negative press, would be no more notable that Hicksville, MN, Police Department with its seven sworn officers? Sorry, but that is utterly and completely laughable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)