Talk:South Park Mexican

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I ddon't plan on writing a lenghty article on spm, but until another editor steps up and contributes a quality biography, it's almost better to have no SPM article at all than to have what was here previously. Chairman Sharif 18:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your work Chairman. SPM has been an article with constant problems. The previous version was subject to much vandalism and recently was deleted due to copyright infringement. I agree, no article would have been better than the gibberish that graced this page earlier today. I hope someone with some knowledge (and sources) can write a NPOV article about him, but I wouldn't hold my breath. In the meantime, I have added the {{hiphop-bio-stub}} tag. -HumanZoom 19:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I couldn't leave well enough alone, lol. I went ahead and added a couple of links, a reference, a picture, and the musician template for background information. Hopefully, this will get the article started in the right direction. -HumanZoom 19:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Great stuff, Zoom, thanks! Chairman Sharif 19:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea and u should edit the Birthdate which is October 5, 1971 and could be retrived from T.D.C.J. Inmate Information website and edit a different pic from Prison (Browntown Mexican 02:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)). —Preceding unsigned comment added by BTMexican (talk • contribs)

More Comments

Well I didn't have a problem with this article. But there is one problem that I did see...um what year was he really born on. It's written as 1970 and then under his picture it's written as 1971. But other than that this was some good writing and even though I don't really know about this guy very much my boyfriend does and it's really hard to make judgements on this fellow but I know that middle school girls and even high school girls did look a lot older at that time. I was one of them. And it's a shame that, from what I read, it doesn't look very fucking good like he got a fair trial. But to those who did down play this article I don't think that the writter was trying to make him look bad at all. He was telling his story and in my opinion I thought it was very educational for my Mexican community. He tried to get out but like always jealousy gets the best of every situation. Women can be very vindictive and envious especially if you are doing better than them. But those girls and their mothers if they did put them up to it, will get their karma if they were lying. It always come back 3 folds. Mikkey —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikkey76 (talk • contribs) jenn♥-well and there were also saying that the 14 yr. old qirl(s) wanted SPM to touch them as well. But when he did, they pressed charqes on him. But he never said anything —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.182.54.143 (talk) 15:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Also Dope House Was formed in 1992,Not 1995 Robert A.K.A. HYPHY —Preceding unsigned comment added by HYPHYLPBG (talk • contribs) 19:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Let's Get On Subject

Don't get me wrong I like SPM and I do believe that he is unjustly in prison, not the little girl's fault but due to Coy's extended family that is getting revenge on him for not sharing in his success, but Wikipedia is not a discussion board it is an online information source so unless we have relevent verifiable info to add on this article, let's keep the Free SPM quotes off this website and talk about it elsewhere. 70.132.144.198 (talk) 03:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Another thing,SPM did not become a crack cocaine dealer after dropping out of college,he began when he was younger around his early teens.Also, he did not drop out of Milby High School, he was kicked out(expelled).

i had nothing to add but just a question where can you right to Carlos Coy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheerfull (talk • contribs) 23:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Sexual Conviction and censoring

Let me remind our fellow anonymous editors (who seem to be the ones doing this) that Wikipedia is NOT censored. We do not take sides and removing information about his sexual conviction, child molestations, or adding things like "free SPM", "there was no evidence", "it's fake", "it's not true", "he's innocent", or other additions to censor or deform the information will be reverted. The sources and citations document this information, and it is our responsibility to bring facts, not childish beliefs or support denials. Thank you. ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez ^{Get to know me!} / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 09:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I have one problem with this article. Why not just have it say "Carlos Coy, better known by his stage name South Park Mexican, is a Houston-based rapper. His stage name is derived from the South Park neighborhood in Houston, Texas where he was raised." or something similar to that? I see no need for him to be label a child molester off the quick description at the top of the page. The article goes on to have a section where it talks about the case and incarceration anyhow. You don't see Michael Jackson's page saying "Michael Joseph Jackson (born August 29, 1958) is an American recording artist, entertainer, businessman, and child abuser." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.60.145.180 (talk) 11:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Because Micheal Jackson has not been convicted. Also, he is arguably more well known for his molestation arrest than his music, as his music career is mostly local. Nar Matteru (talk) 15:42, 14 December 2008 (U why do they got him locked up..and when people said the rumor about Micheal Jackson they dont do anything about it?

Why was his picture taken off?

I didn't see any problem with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tivaelydoc (talk • contribs) 10:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Got deleted accidentally during page cleanup. It's been restored now. Nar Matteru (talk) 11:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Introduction

Theres no reason to start this artice with "...is a rapper and convicted child molester." I think its completely inappropriate. When I search rappers such as Zro i don't see the article beginning with "Zro is a rapper and convicted drug drealer." When i look up T.I. i don't see the introduction starting off as "T.I. is an american rapper and a 7 time felon." Now i am not AT ALL against adding information about his conviction but I'm saying theres no need for it in the introduction, just as thats not included on other rapper's wiki pages it shouldn't be included here. Also, this whole article is very bias and highly suggest that SPM did in fact commit the crime when no one really knows but himself. I'm against bias reporting wether it be "SPM didn't commit the crime free SPM!!!" or it be an entire article that sounds like something the little girls lawyer came up wtih. Simply give non bias facts and let people who read it decide for themselves if they think he is or is not guilty of the crime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielg77017 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

How so? Only two paragraphs mentions the allogations, and the main one only mentions the nessesary facts, what he was on trial for, the circumstances, conviction and sentence. As for the article head, this is stated in numerous articles of Convicted child molesters, see: [[Category:Convicted American child molesters.]] [[Category:Date of birth missing (living people)]] Sephiroth storm (talk) 02:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Out of the 31 individuals categorized in Category:Convicted American child molesters, 24 of them (Tony Alamo, Arthur Leigh Allen, Nathaniel Bar-Jonah, James Bevel, Walter H. Breen, David Carpenter, Frank Collin, John Couey, John Wayne Gacy, Daniel Carleton Gajdusek, Philip Giordano, Richard Goldberg, Mel Hall, Debra Lafave, Baruch Lanner, Richard R. Lavigne, Carl Panzram, Gerald Parker, Jefferson Poland, James Porter, Artimus Pyle, Barry Ryan, Victor Salva, Jon Schillaci) do not use the term child molester. In American English, child molester is almost exclusively used as a pejorative term. Derogatory descriptions violate the basic principles of neutrality, and have no place in an encyclopedia; especially not in a biography of a living person. It is not our position to express approval or disapproval of any subject-matter. See WP:MORALIZE.   — C M B J   18:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Many of them also use other terms to describe the individuals, including "convicted child sex offender", "convicted American child molester", "convicted American serial killer and child molester", "marred by a criminal conviction for child sexual abuse", "convicted sex offender", and so on. I am sure that if I were to look at Category:Convicted sex offenders, you would see the same trend. The openings are not the same because there is no corroboration between them. I can see where the concern lies, but consider that child sex offender is a legal term, and many times it is appropriate to use them. The same can be said for Serial Killer, rapist, or a dictator (See: Hitler, which is used as an example of NPOV). I will however open a discussion on WP:BLPN. Sephiroth storm (talk) 19:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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Bolding

Most everything bolded in the article seems to subtly defame Coy since it highlights negative facts. Suggesting removal of unneeded boldings to maintain unbiased article. 71.54.96.211 (talk) 23:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

At the side section it said he was born on October 5th, 1970 but at the the top it says October 5th, 1971. it also states at a case in 2001 he was 21. So 1970,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,2000,2001, 2002,03,04,05,06,07,08,09. i haven't done any research to figure out how old he is so I'm not sure which one is right. also was he 21 when he had sexual intercourse with the the lady that made him have a paternity test or when he took the test that seems unclear to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.15.152 (talk) 18:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Did he really do that crime???????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.173.133.134 (talk) 16:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

SPM's Birthday

Carlos Coy was not born on November 5th. On his album entitled " Never change" track 3, "Habitual Criminal" he says he is a Libra born in October. Oh and SPM is not dead, that rumor has been around since i can remember: since before he came out with the album "When Devils Strike" written in prison. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.45.138 (talk) 03:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a reference? Sephiroth storm (talk) 03:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

spm is fake —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.87.73 (talk) 20:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC) October 5, 1971 thats his birthday. (Browntown Mexican 02:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BTMexican (talk • contribs)

His Birthday

In the song "Hillwood" SPM says "The year was 7-0 October the 5th, I've done did my 9 months now my life take a shift...", so his birthday is October 5, 1970. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.146.123 (talk) 04:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

thank you for commenting here before inserting it into the article. Unfortunately, our policies require Reliable sources, we need something in print by a third part source. Welcome to Wikipedia! Sephiroth storm (talk) 21:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Ancestry.com lists one Carlos Coy born to Norma Concepcion Martinez and Arthur coy on October 5, 1970. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8781&iid=TXBTH_1970_0004g02&fn=Carlos&ln=Coy&st=r&ssrc=&pid=10828113 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.146.123 (talk) 02:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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age and name: SPM Freddy Avila 22 yrs old The Real Story of Carlos Coy By: Shadow Ramirez Current mood:Framed If you don't know.. the real story.. then don't act like you know. Carlos Coy aka SPM... was framed. The mother of the nine year old, is the wife of Carlos's best friend for life Billy Stout. Billy and his wife Maribel, are jr. high school sweethearts.. so Carlos has known both of them for ever... like since he was poor and a basically a neighborhood thug. Billy was his crime partner.... Billy got locked up a long time ago.. and Carlos made the mistake of having an one night fling with Maribel... while Billy was in jail. Carlos always regretted giving in to this temptation and vowed never to tell Billy of his wrong doing... Maribel held this over Carlos's head for many years.... well Carlos became SPM and struck it rich. Maribel was trying to blackmail Carlos ... telling him that if he didn't give her some money she would tell Billy of the affair they had... Carlos was and is not the type to take to threats... so he ignored Maribel... months before the accusation that he had sexually assaulted her daughter.. Maribel... had made it clear to Carlos that she was planning to ruin his life someway, somehow. Labor day 2001.. Carlos's wife allowed Maribel's 9 yr. old daughter to spend the night.. you know have a sleep over with her and Carlos's 5 year old dauhgter Carlie Amor Coy. ( that to me doesn't even make sense.. a 9 yr. old, hanging with a 5 yr. old.. anyway..)This, in my opinion, was the opportunity Maribel needed to frame Carlos. 10 days after that night. Maribel claimes that her daughter told her that Carlos had touched her the night she stayed at Carlie's house. (I have to mention that at 2 in the morning of that night, Maribel's daughter complained of a stomach ache and Carlos took the little girl home... he even got off the car and ate menudo with the rest of her family before going back home.) ...Anyway, Maribel, after 10 days had passed, took her daughter to CPS.. but they told her that because it had been over a week since this alledgedly happened, and without any physical evidence, that there wasn't much they could do. So she told the CPS investigator, that Carlos had fathered a child with a 14 yr old, when he was 22. Now that was true... but what they don't tell you is... the mother of that child was a 14 yr. old posing as an 18 yr. old so she could strip for a living... and that is where Carlos had met her..... so he was definately under the impression that she was of age... it wasn't until after she had his child that Carlos found out her real age.... because she wanted child support ... which Carlos gave her and continues to give her till this day. The investigator opened a can of worms... when she began investigating this matter.... Carlos was a target for any girl who wanted to gold dig. So when the investigator... was reaching more women willing to come forward..(quick money on thier minds...) telling stories of Carlos having sex with them when they were under age...... that's when they charged him with his crime... that's the real story....believe it or not....I'll let you decide..... holla SHADOW RAMIREZ aka TWINN.... Yes, I was there in the court room everyday until they considered me a "character witness" which was the last two days of the trial... I was also there for the sentencing, yes... I was also his best friend and partner in music.... I was his ..1 producer, which meant I almost went everywhere he did for at least 5 years straight since '97.. also I . or I should say ...we all grew up in the same hood.. "we" meaning... Carlos , Billy, Maribel, my brother Grimm , and I... this all goes way back... back before Carlos became S.P.M. look, Carlos was no saint... I know that , but he didn't do what they put him behind bars for.... 45 yrs.... come on.. murderes, & cocaine dealers do less time... they wanted to burry him alive... he was getting to strong of an infleunce for Mexicanos... period.. this was there opportunity to shut him up permanantly.... I wouldn't count him out... as long as he is breathing... he has a chance to get out of this situation... he was the luckiest f@cker I know...... and anyone who knew him, would tell you that's so true.

By: Shadow Ramirez

This is the only source i have if its valid could someone add this to the article http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=442606115&blogId=472085400 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.192.204 (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

this is another source http://www.texastakeover.com/texas-hip-hop/926-spm.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.192.204 (talk) 16:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

spm didn't do shit to no 9 year old,it was just some broncas he had with his friend's wife.the nine year old girl is the daughter of billy and maribel stout,wich are spm's friends.maribel,had some weird shit going on with spm and she threathened spm to give her some money or else she will tell his husband about some bad shit.then maribel convinced spm to let her daughter have a sleep over with spm's daughter and he agreed.in the middle of the night,the girl got sick and spm had to take her home.he dropped her off and went inside to talk to his friend billy.meanwhile maribel was making a plan on getting spm's money so she called the police and told them that spm had toched her daughter innapropietly.he was sent to a trial and lost the case and got 45 years in the can.he got this big number for an assault with a 14 year old.this did happen even though it wasn't his fault.the 14 year old girl had an fake ID and was working as a stripper she looked 18 and had an ID to prove it(wich was fake).since spm was clueless about this,he made his special move on her.this is exactly how it happened,well i didnt list the details like,when he went inside his friends to talk and eat some pozole,i figured it wasn't important.FREE CARLOS!!

BY:a person who was there on spm's trial and a peep who is a listener of his music.

Apparent Relocation

According to http://168.51.178.33/webapp/TDCJ/InmateDetails.jsp?sidnumber=04236244 he has been moved to the Allred Unit

Purpalert (talk) 06:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You are right. He's in Allred. Lemme update the information. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from BTMexican, 27 July 2010

Birthdate - October 5, 1971 (Age 38) http://www.redbrownandblue.com/index.php/“free-spm”-movement-is-more-about-a-community-needing-to-face-the-music-than-it-is-about-freeing-an-icon i hope this sources is acceptable (Browntown Mexican 03:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)) Browntown Mexican 00:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Browntown: I'll have to check the reliable sources noticeboard.

WhisperToMe (talk) 16:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Red_Brown_and_Blue - Not an RS. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

We require a source for changes like that. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 02:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

i think spm should be able to get out of jail because i beleave he didnt touch that little girl an he said on his song he wants to be there more for his baby girl an i beleave he should an his wife wow i never heard no one an i mean no one rap about a girl as much as he has for her like mrs. perfect. well you must be perfect to have him rap about you an thanking the lord he has you. soo you are very lucky to hae him. october 5 every year ima call all radio stations an see what i can do to see if they may play spm songs all radio stations an i mean all. we miss you spm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.32.78.250 (talk) 19:57, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

We already state that many internet users have called for his release.

Anyway, this isn't a chat forum about SPM. This is a specific place where we discuss how to improve the article

WhisperToMe (talk) 16:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 173.219.9.106, 24 July 2011

I was informed by a TDCJ official that Coy is NOT able to continue to record music in prison as erroneously stated here. Either Coy is doing it and getting away with it or wikipedia is wrong.

173.219.9.106 (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Not done: It appears as if he has released 2 new albums since he has been incarcerated. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

okay,first of all spm's first album,"Hillwood," was not released in 1995, it was released in 1992.Dope House Rceords was also founded in 1992.SPM's second album,"Hustle Town,"was released in 1995(original version), the remastered version was realeased in 1999.His third album,"Power Moves,"was released in 1997,not 1998.His fourth album,"The 3rd Wish to Rock The World,"was released in 1999 with the hit singles,"High so High,"and,"Wiggy."The Hit Single,"You Know My Name," was released with the album,"The Purity Album,"in 2000. My Source:I own all of SPM's albums,therefore I know all of the track listings and album dates.PLEASE CHANGE THE ARTICLE WITH THIS INFORMATION I HAVE PROVIDED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.111.246.29 (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

srtk soooooot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.189.130.34 (talk) 16:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2014

please put information on south park mexican's latest c.d.: the son of norma 65.130.108.164 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Convicted felon in lede?

That is, of course, true, but that isn’t what he’s notable for. I do think the case should be mentioned in the opening section, but I don’t know that mentioning his felony in the first sentence is relevant. —Wiki Wikardo 21:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2015

He just released Son Of Norma Sept. 30, 2014 and heard to be working on another called Visionary.

50.245.152.109 (talk) 00:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 00:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

why no post of how the girl lied?

there are testimonies on SPM Aftermath that show both sides read the Never ending letters (part a - c) http://www.spmaftermath.com/2014/05/spm-responds-part-13a.html