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20th Century Update

this statement is misleading " a region with a large native Greek population at the time..." the time is not definite. After the 1919 Smyrna occupation there was a population transport to Smyrna from Greece affecting the demographics. For pre 1919 situation See. For more information see --OnlyTheTruth 14:15, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Standart of Living in Greece

The phrase "Greece is a democratic and developed country with an advanced high-income economy, a high quality of life and a very high standard of living." does not reflect the facts so it is against NPOV rules.--OnlyTheTruth 06:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

This reflects the overall Human Development Index and per capita income from a global perspective. Greece is still a developed nation. A county can be deep in debt and have a tremendously high unemployment rate and still be a "developed" nation. 66.68.200.52 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

It will need an update soon keep that in minde. --OnlyTheTruth 06:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thessaloniki as the "co-capital"

This statement is misleading: "Thessaloniki being the second largest and referred to as the co-capital." Thessaloniki is not the co-capital of Greece in any administrative sense. It earned the name "co-capital" during the Byzantine Empire.--98.114.178.63 (talk) 11:35, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

There are WAY to many photos in this article

Greece is a photogenic place, but this is just ridiculous. Athenean (talk) 05:28, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, a general cleanup is needed. Although I did it several times in the past, it appears that various ips tend to add their favorite pics here and there.Alexikoua (talk) 07:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I've chopped a few photos that I think can be spared from the article. Feedback welcome. Dolescum (talk) 08:01, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Turks of Western Thrace

General Distribution of Population in Western Thrace (1912-1920)
Census/Estimate	Muslims	Pomaks	Bulgarians	Greeks	Others	Total
1912 estimate	120,000	-	40,000	60,000	4,000	224,000
1919 Bulgarian	79,539	17,369	87,941	28,647	10,922	224,418
1919 Bulgarian	77,726	20,309	81,457	32,553	8,435	220,480
1920 French	74,730	11,848	54,092	56,114	7,906	204,690
1920 Greek	93,273	-	25,677	74,416	6,038	201,404

During Ottoman rule before 1912, Greeks constituted a minority in the region of Western Thrace. After the Balkan Wars and World War I the demography of the region was changed. While groups such as the Turks and Bulgarians decreased, the Greek population increased by the resettlement of ten thousands of Greek refugees from other areas of the Ottoman Empire, after the flight of the Greek refugees from Asia Minor, as a result of the Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) and the subsequent population exchange between Greece and Turkey. Of all Greek Asia Minor refugees (578,824 individuals), 31% of them were resettled in Western Thrace. The Greek government's reason to settle the refugees in this region was to strengthen the Greek presence in the newly acquired provinces and the homogenization of the population. The Greek government especially resettled the refugees in Komotini, Xanthi and Sapes regions where the majority of Muslim Turks lived.

General Distribution of Population in Western Thrace in 1923, presented by the Greek delegation in Laussane (after the relocation of Asia Minor refugees)
Districts	Total	Total Greeks	Local Greeks	Relocated Greek refugees	Turks	Bulgarians	Jews	Armenians
Komotini	104,108	45,516	11,386	33,770	50,081	6,609	1,112	1,183
Alexandroupolis	38,553	26,856	9,228	17,518	2,705	9,102	-
Soufli	32,299	25,758	11,517	14,211	5,454	1,117	-	-
Xanthi	64,744	36,859	18,249	18,613	27,882	-	-
Didymoteicho	34,621	31,408	21,759	9,649	3,213	-	-	-
Orestiada	39,386	33,764	22,087	11,677	6,072	-	-	-
Total	314,235	199,664 (63,5%)	94,226 (30,0%)	105,438 (33,6%)	95,407 (30,4%)	16,828 (5,4%)	1,112 (0,4%)	1,183 (0,4%)

"Greek Orthodox Church" and "Eastern Orthodoxy" in Infobox

Some users around there have repeatedly mistaken the Institution (Greek Orthodox Church) for being a religion by itself, which is not true and invalid. In the Infobox, the 'Religion' section is about the religion, not institutions serving that religion. So, the proper could be "Eastern Orthodoxy". Unless I am missing something, I could very much ask the users to not confuse the religious institutions with the religions these institutions are serving. --SilentResident (talk) 17:37, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Debt as % of GDP nonsense

"Public debt was forecast, according to some estimates, to hit 120% of GDP during 2010." is nonsense, because debt is an absolute amount of money whereas GDP is a rate of money per unit time, usually reported on a per-year basis. Perhaps this text really is supposed to mean 120% of one year of GDP, i.e. 1.2 years of GDP or 14.4 months of GDP? If the source of the info says it wrong, does that mean WikiPedia must repeat the mistake even when it's obvious the source is wrong? 198.144.192.45 (talk) 03:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC) Twitter.Com/CalRobert (Robert Maas)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2015

+ The Best Olive Oil, in the World. +€. Amen 79.82.40.144 (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

 Not done That is not a Semi-protected edit request, it is an unsourced PoV - Arjayay (talk) 17:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Financial crisis

Why are Greek defaults hidden? The defaults are very significant, they are in many reliable references, why do Greek editors cleanse the Greece article of significant things that look bad for Greece? Spumuq (talq) 15:47, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

My thoughts, exactly.

Califate123 (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, if I was someone without any info about Greek economy, I would not see the current situation of its economy. So facts on Greek economy cannot be read in this article. --Prusan 09:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Economy section

I am not an expert editor of Greece, so I leave my comments here for review. The economy section reports "high standard of living". But the infobox reports "41st" for GDP per capita (PPP). Besides, 2 sources provided do not directly support this statement. SSZ (talk) 00:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

This article doesn't respect the principle of neutrality

" (...) a high quality of life and a very high standard of living" - Joke of the year?

Whoever reads this article thinks Greece is all rainbows and unicorns. Even in the economy section the most recent financial troubles are omitted. It only states the "recovery" in 2014, failing to address the fact the economy got back in recession once again. Not to mention the defaults... Califate123 (talk) 17:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

The UN HDI report lists Greece as having a "Very high" HDI, not "High". Please read the sources instead of the news. As for the rest of the comments, all I'm going say is that wikipedia is not a newspaper. Athenean (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

The HDI measures human development, not quality of life (not quite the same thing). It doesn't include, for instance, the number of Greeks unemployed, nor the fact the GDP fell by 25% in the last years. Wikipedia is not a place for nationals of a country to hide the truth about their nation. Hiding facts is one of the things that brought Greece to where it is in the first place. Califate123 (talk) 12:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, why are people hiding facts that make Greece look bad? Spumuq (talq) 16:23, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Drop the ethnic profiling and bad faith assumptions before I report the both of you. "Califate" changed the "very high standard of living" to "high", even though the wikilink is to UN Human Development Index, which clearly lists in the "very high human development" category. This can be construed as falsification of sources, which is a major no-no. And FYI, the human development index does include economic information. Athenean (talk) 16:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for nationals of a country to hide the truth about their nation.: I strongly suggest you stop this type of silly innuendo per WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Also don't forget if you attack the nationality of your fellow editors, they can also attack yours, and that can lead to discussions of really bad quality. Hiding facts is one of the things that brought Greece to where it is in the first place.: I suggest you stop the trolling. I also suggest you understand the concept of reliable sources and follow what the reliable sources say. If the reliable source says "high" HDI it is not up to you to erase the adjective "high" because you don't like it or because you have your own ideas about what the HDI does or does not include. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 21:14, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, why are people hiding facts that make Greece look bad? Is this an admission of what you have been trying to do all this time? Are you trying to make Greece look bad, to use your own words? I remind you that this is an encyclopedia, not a propaganda site. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 21:18, 8 July 2015 (UTC)