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== Time for an analogy == |
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Everything else has failed, so let me try and make this as simple as I can: AOL doesn't use unique XTP Headers, there is no mechanism what so ever to allow a message on an AOL talk page to reach the correct user, it's roughly akin to dropping a letter in a mailbox without any postage, and without an address, and saying that it '''may''' not reach the correct person--[[User:AOL account|AOL account]] 00:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC) |
Everything else has failed, so let me try and make this as simple as I can: AOL doesn't use unique XTP Headers, there is no mechanism what so ever to allow a message on an AOL talk page to reach the correct user, it's roughly akin to dropping a letter in a mailbox without any postage, and without an address, and saying that it '''may''' not reach the correct person--[[User:AOL account|AOL account]] 00:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC) |
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: I agree, and since there is evidence given here on the talk page and since Ryulong does not want to participate in the conversations it is perfectly fine to revert him. He stated two reasons for his changes in the change descriptions, 1 that there is no evidence, this is false he should have read the talk page. 2. that "it's best to be unsure about this than to be definiite". This is against wiki policy. Never use weasle words, See [[wikipedia:avoid weasel words]]. |
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Revision as of 19:36, 1 August 2006
I changed the AOL template from {{sharedip|[[America Online|America Online (AOL)]]}} to {{subst:sharedip|[[America Online|America Online (AOL)]]}} thus eliminating the need for the servers to call up the sharedip template. I assume that then using {{subst:AOL}} should actually reduce strain on the servers instead of seeming like it would. We would have to change the Template:AOL when Template:Sharedip changes, but that won't be that often or hard to do. What do others think? MicahMN | Talk 15:42, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
If there isn't a category for AOL users with shared ips, then how am I suposed to keep track of all of them?? and follow all their edits? and find out personal information about them??? do you guys ever think before you resrict my right to spy on other people over the internet--152.163.100.139 01:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
By using Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:AOL if really necessary. Not that finding AOL tags would bring you to all AOL users. The template is for informing the user, posters, and admins.. I believe categorization is for encyclopedia articles, not users. Surely maintaining a large category like AOL may become seems a waste of server resources.. --Mysidia 02:59, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
- Also, many times when I put up a template like this one, I use {{subst:AOL}} so that less strain is placed on the wikipedia servers. FYI: adding subst before template basically pastes the contents of the template as it stands into the page, instead of calling up the template every time the page is loaded. I just found that out recently. -- MicahMN | Talk 02:30, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
- Actually this is not true - a commonly used template like {{AOL}} will be cached and then brought up quickly without additional hits on the database. Using the actual template instead of {{subst:AOL}} will allow the quick adding of information for changing wikipeida policy towards anonymous AOL users without having to track down everywhere it was substituted. The demand templates place on the server are often exagerrated. 205.188.117.74 02:20, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Reverse lookups
For the sake of interest, here are IP lookups on the IP addresses currently marked with this template, combined with approximate geolocations as given by http://www.hostip.info/ -- Anon, 09:18, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
64.12.112.186 spider-mtc-tb121.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 64.12.116.5 cache-mtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.6 cache-mtc-aa02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.7 cache-mtc-aa03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.8 cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.9 cache-mtc-aa05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.10 cache-mtc-aa06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.11 cache-mtc-aa07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.13 cache-mtc-aa09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.14 cache-mtc-aa10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.65 cache-mtc-ab01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.67 cache-mtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.68 cache-mtc-ab04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.69 cache-mtc-ab05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.72 cache-mtc-ab08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.74 cache-mtc-ab10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.130 cache-mtc-ac01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.131 cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.132 cache-mtc-ac03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.133 cache-mtc-ac04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.135 cache-mtc-ac06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.136 cache-mtc-ac07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.138 cache-mtc-ac09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.139 cache-mtc-ac10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.195 cache-mtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.196 cache-mtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.197 cache-mtc-ad03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.198 cache-mtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.199 cache-mtc-ad05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.201 cache-mtc-ad07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.203 cache-mtc-ad09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.116.204 cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Elizabethtown, PA 64.12.117.5 cache-mtc-ae01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.6 cache-mtc-ae02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.7 cache-mtc-ae03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.8 cache-mtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.9 cache-mtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.11 cache-mtc-ae07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.12 cache-mtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.13 cache-mtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.14 cache-mtc-ae10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.15 cache-mtc-ae11.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.16 cache-mtc-ae12.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.18 cache-mtc-ae14.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 64.12.117.19 cache-mtc-ae15.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Milwaukee, WI 152.163.100.5 cache-rtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.7 cache-rtc-aa03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.8 cache-rtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.10 cache-rtc-aa06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.11 cache-rtc-aa07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.12 cache-rtc-aa08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.67 cache-rtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.69 cache-rtc-ab05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.72 cache-rtc-ab08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.131 cache-rtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.134 cache-rtc-ac05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.136 cache-rtc-ac07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.138 cache-rtc-ac09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.196 cache-rtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.197 cache-rtc-ad03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.199 cache-rtc-ad05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.100.200 cache-rtc-ad06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Columbus, OH 152.163.101.5 cache-rtc-ae01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 152.163.101.6 cache-rtc-ae02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 152.163.101.7 cache-rtc-ae03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 152.163.101.8 cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 152.163.101.10 cache-rtc-ae06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 152.163.101.11 cache-rtc-ae07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 152.163.101.12 cache-rtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 152.163.101.13 cache-rtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 152.163.101.14 cache-rtc-ae10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Woonsocket, RI 172.140.60.31 AC8C3C1F.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 172.141.55.83 AC8D3753.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 172.147.127.192 AC937FC0.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 172.154.252.158 AC9AFC9E.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 172.156.166.149 AC9CA695.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Atlanta, GA 172.166.132.40 ACA68428.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 172.166.159.19 ACA69F13.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 172.188.227.80 ACBCE350.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 172.197.22.251 ACC516FB.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: (Unknown city) 172.198.8.59 ACC6083B.ipt.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Anaheim, CA 172.212.113.115 ACD47173.ipt.aol.com. Country: (Unknown Country?) (XX) City: (Unknown City?) 195.93.21.40 cache-los-ab08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED KINGDOM (UK) City: Sudbury 195.93.21.68 cache-los-ac04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED KINGDOM (UK) City: Sudbury 195.93.21.104 cache-los-ad08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED KINGDOM (UK) City: Sudbury 198.81.26.39 None Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: APPLE VALLEY, CA 198.81.26.41 None Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: APPLE VALLEY, CA 205.188.116.6 cache-dtc-aa02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.7 cache-dtc-aa03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.8 cache-dtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.9 cache-dtc-aa05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.11 cache-dtc-aa07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.12 cache-dtc-aa08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.13 cache-dtc-aa09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.14 cache-dtc-aa10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.65 cache-dtc-ab01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.66 cache-dtc-ab02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.67 cache-dtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.68 cache-dtc-ab04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.69 cache-dtc-ab05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.70 cache-dtc-ab06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.71 cache-dtc-ab07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.72 cache-dtc-ab08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.74 cache-dtc-ab10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.130 cache-dtc-ac01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.131 cache-dtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.132 cache-dtc-ac03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.133 cache-dtc-ac04.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.135 cache-dtc-ac06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.136 cache-dtc-ac07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.137 cache-dtc-ac08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.138 cache-dtc-ac09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.139 cache-dtc-ac10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.171 None Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.195 cache-dtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.196 cache-dtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.197 cache-dtc-ad03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.201 cache-dtc-ad07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.202 cache-dtc-ad08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.203 cache-dtc-ad09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.116.204 cache-dtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Reading, PA 205.188.117.6 cache-dtc-ae02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.7 cache-dtc-ae03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.10 cache-dtc-ae06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.12 cache-dtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.13 cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.14 cache-dtc-ae10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.65 cache-dtc-af01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.66 cache-dtc-af02.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.67 cache-dtc-af03.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.69 cache-dtc-af05.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.70 cache-dtc-af06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.71 cache-dtc-af07.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.72 cache-dtc-af08.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.73 cache-dtc-af09.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 205.188.117.74 cache-dtc-af10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: ALEXANDRIA, LA 207.200.116.65 cache-ntc-ab01.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Farmington, NM 207.200.116.139 cache-ntc-ac10.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Farmington, NM 207.200.116.200 cache-ntc-ad06.proxy.aol.com. Country: UNITED STATES (US) City: Farmington, NM
- FYI, the location bit doesn't work with AOL, everyone simply looks like they're editing from the location of whatever random AOL server they're on at the moment--205.188.116.203 23:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
AOL
Maybe there should be a team defining these ip's, and "locking" them so a giant pile of irrelevant messages don't gum up the works for newbies without an account, and a permanent message - "You are using an AOL ip, if you are a new wikipedian, click HERE" and have it link to an intro message?
Figured this might help sum up AOL for people unfarmiliar with the issue--205.188.116.203 23:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Can someone involved in that discussion please copy and paste a synopsis of it into this page for future reference. It is very good information. Including your demonstration of how dynamic IPs are assigned by page (assuming that was you?). Regards, --Darkfred Talk to me 20:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Categories
Please use Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:AOL for finding AOL users. Categories are for encyclopedic content not tracking user groups. --Darkfred Talk to me 16:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- If there is some reason that absolutely requires these to be in a category please say why. For the record I don't think that having to write more code in your watch bot is a valid reason since it is easy enought to use whatlinkshere. --Darkfred Talk to me 17:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Since noone has contested this in the last month I will remove it now. Remember that we already have both the IP range list and the whatlinkshere mechanism to track these people. The category is redundant. --Darkfred Talk to me 21:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Talk pages
Has anyone considered adding a notice to this template that reminds people that not only are AOL user 'unlikely' to recieve the message directed at them, that is virtually, if not 100% impossible for them to receive them at all--205.188.116.203 15:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
- For instance, right now the new message bar on the top of my page is lit up, [1], which is my ip as I'm editing this page now, which will change before I can even hit submit, by the time I could ever click on the new message I'd be on a different talk page, looking at a different message, left for a different user--205.188.116.203 15:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
- I originally phrased it this way when I added the message. But it kept getting rewritten. I have no idea why they wanted a less accurate wording, but IK suspect it is simply cause noone knows exactly how the AOL system works they add weasel words. For the record this notice has been deleted once as well. It appeared to be a revert accident. But since people still keep adding Warn3s to AOL pages I readded it. It does no good to scare off new contributers with random warnings that don't apply to them. --Darkfred Talk to me 20:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
WHOIS
- http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput={{PAGENAME}}+
- seemed like a good thing to add, works alright but someone might want to fancy up the formating a bit and make it look pretty, also won't work well for international IP users, since it only references ARIN, but it should be a good way of double checking who is or isn't a real AOL user--{anon iso − 8859 − 1janitor} 18:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- could also seeing it work well if integrated into a more general template, like template:vandal for instance--{anon iso − 8859 − 1janitor} 18:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- see User:43734731/workspace for reference, 64.12.112.186 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • block user • block log) using the first AOL ip on the above list as an example, again, would be problematic for international users who wouldn't be registered in ARIN, I'll try and generalize a little more--{anon iso − 8859 − 1janitor} 18:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- as an offshoot of this research, i have created template:IPvandal--{anon iso − 8859 − 1janitor} 18:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Probably not be seen by the correct user
This is incorrect. Any non-business non-static AOL user (99%) will always change IP with every page loaded, the caching system chooses IPs based on a hash of the pagename and address. Simply changing a single character or waiting for 5-10 minutes will change your IP, this includes characters used by php scripts so an AOL user's IP will change between article and discussion pages of the same name. See [2] for a discussion and evidence. --Darkfred Talk to me 21:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Encouraging them to get a username
- I know it is a big template already - but I think a very important point is left out. We need to use this template to encourage the anonymous editor to get a username! That is the best for us (since we can associate people with their actual contributions) and the best for them (since they can better participate in collaborative editting). Johntex\talk 15:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Turning over a new leaf
Removing old warnings, per WP:AN, also, in the same spirit, also turning over a new color, it's now off white, instead of orange--AOL account (205.188.116.200) 17:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Also, I have now complied a more recent list of all tagged AOL users..--AOL account (205.188.116.200) 17:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Great big list of nearly every AOL IP ever used to edit wikipedia
- Hope you like the addition of the links 64.12.117.13 21:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
on whether or not this should also be a welcome template
Why not? A good portion of the AOL related vandalism that goes on around here are people who stuble onto a wiki for the first time in their lives, and make very small or trivial changes. Given the sheer number of new users who see this template I don't see why it shouldn't also include some very simple instructions on creating an account and so on--152.163.101.13 12:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Because if you're going to add this silliness to this template, you might as well add it to Template:sharedip, sharedipEDU, and others. It's very silly to be an addition to such a template anyway, and there are already instructions on what to do to avoid this so-called "problem" in the first place. --Pilotguy (roger that) 19:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with pilotguy for whats its worth, this template is information aimed primarily at non-aol users. The welcome template is specifically for newly created usernames. --Darkfred Talk to me 04:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I give up
AOL talk pages are pointless, everything other than the native semi static ranges (the 172s) cannot receive messages, but since vandalism warnings are required before vandals can be blocked, a sort of due process of sort, people have a hard time understanding that any contact they have with AOL users prior to blocking will be completly random. The only other thing I can think of, is, as other people have suggested, a complete redirect of all AOL talk pages to a central talk page, and some sort of media wiki fix to allow this notify them of new messages. Then everyone can experience warnings the way AOL IPs do, one big long random list of complaints that have no order, no context, and no rational order or causation--AOL account 00:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Time for an analogy
Everything else has failed, so let me try and make this as simple as I can: AOL doesn't use unique XTP Headers, there is no mechanism what so ever to allow a message on an AOL talk page to reach the correct user, it's roughly akin to dropping a letter in a mailbox without any postage, and without an address, and saying that it may not reach the correct person--AOL account 00:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, and since there is evidence given here on the talk page and since Ryulong does not want to participate in the conversations it is perfectly fine to revert him. He stated two reasons for his changes in the change descriptions, 1 that there is no evidence, this is false he should have read the talk page. 2. that "it's best to be unsure about this than to be definiite". This is against wiki policy. Never use weasle words, See wikipedia:avoid weasel words.