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Matt Grimes

Hello, sorry for using a photo on Matt Grimes' article that violated copyright. Thank you for informing me on the ruling over copyright! Edders527, User talk:Edders527.

Darren Tilley

Hello sorry for not referencing my new edits, I just added statistics to Tilley's career based on the information found on this website www.soccerdatabase.eu. shotgun pete, talk.

Matches played by Messi

These sources confirm that Messi played 60 matches scoring 73 goals on season 2011-12 and 46 matches/41 goals on 2013-14: http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/28003 http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/j/j1753.html

I didn't want to make an editing war or something like that ;) Thanks, SaintJimmy94 (talk) 15:51, 23 November 2014

Hi, thanks for that, I was also fixing the stats but you've done it faster hahaha, there's still one match remaining, on season 2009-10 it says "One appearance in UEFA Super Cup, 11 appearances and eight goals in UEFA Champions League", but the total count is 11 matches (not counting that UEFA Super Cup match). Thank you again, SaintJimmy94 (talk) 16:30, 23 November 2014

The Beatles Invite

	Hi! I've seen you around on The Beatles' articles... Would you consider becoming a member of WikiProject The Beatles, a WikiProject which aims to expand and improve coverage of The Beatles on Wikipedia? Please feel free to join us.
Abbey Road... You're not in this picture... yet! Todo list:

Jayesh

I have cited 4 sources for the Pepe edit. Can you make sure it is not removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayeshrchinchole (talk • contribs) 00:53, 1 February 2015‎ (UTC)

Shaun Maloney

Hi. Maloney actually played 81 games for Wigan Athletic and 29 for Aston Villa. ("Shaun Maloney". US Soccerway. April 4, 2015. Retrieved April 4, 2015.)

Thanks

Thank You for your edit at Olivier Giroud, your input is crucial to helping build Wikipedia! Cheers :) TeaLover1996 (talk) 04:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

My Wikipedia input

While I appreciate assistance from other Wikipedia users, I do not appreciate "final warnings" and find that inappropriate. I assume that all accounts are monitored for anyone deliberately "vandalizing" the site. I will not re-enter information that you have deleted and will be more careful looking for references for edits in future.

Bobby Hosker

Hello, i put the total carreer of Bobby Hosker on the site with my site as bron. Kind regards

Talkback

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Untitled

Hi Matty its Jamie McAllister here, please can you change my photo, i am not happy with this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maccajaz (talk • contribs) 21:34, 26 June 2015‎ (UTC)

Philippe Coutinho

Hi Mattythewhite I'm new to editing wikipedia articles and all I really wanted to do was change the picture used in the article. I have found a few other pictures that would be more accurate for this footballer Thanks.

Matthew Barnes Homer

Hi Sorry. He is my cousin and wanted me to change his stats based on his knowledge. He would also like a picture added to the page. But I cannot do that yet. Would it be possible for you to do that please ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamHomer78 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Content needs to be cited by reliable sources, not from an individual's own knowledge as this is original research. Images can only be added if they are released under a free licence, and I'm not aware of any being available. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Leicester City

Hi mate I would appreciate the help if you could removed any unsourced numbers for Huth, Okazaki and Fuchs, the club haven't announced their squad numbers as of yet. Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 12:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I've already got it wathclisted, so I'll keep an eye out. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

One to keep an eye on?

I have already reverted all, but have a look at this version of David Fuster (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=David_Fuster&diff=672398007&oldid=672397951), with the following highlights: 1 - intro, after "five national championships"; 2 - late storyline, two "charmers", "The team's fans were ecstatic at the announcement of the player's contract renewal." (always the fans!) followed by WP:CRYSTAL like no other.

I wager that Mr. CONSTANTINEIRO999 deserves a word of caution, but since I am not very diplomatic or at least not all I should be, I bring this to your capable judgement. What do you think? Speaking of "think", I "think" he will not give a fudge about any word of caution anyone might issue, but I hope to be sorely mistaken.

Attentively --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:22, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

• In a related matter, don't know if the anon "user" afterwards is also this guy, but they decided that no, Mr. Fuster never played for Villarreal B, only Villarreal A. What a load of! --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:24, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Users warned and article watchlisted. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:32, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Page move

Only an admin can perform it now, can you please move López Silva to "José López Silva"? I explain: yes, he is known by those two names, but keep in mind BOTH are surnames, it would be like having articles named "Rooney", "Casillas" or "Zidane".

Attentively, thanks in advance --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Looking at his BDFutbol profile, it seems as though he is usually known as López Silva. And per WP:COMMONNAME, "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used". So I think the current title is appropriate. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

BDFUTBOL presents the players always that way, Iker Casillas is also presented as "Casillas" there (see here http://www.bdfutbol.com/j/j1090.html) but is WP page is "Iker Casillas" not "Casillas", no? I have presented my arguments, title stays as it is if you want. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

• But you won't think ill of me if I look for a second opinion, will you? --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Of course not, the more opinions the better. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:40, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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acessdate

Hello, What is the difference between date and accessdate, they are always the same anyway? Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

|date= is when the source was published, |accessdate= is when it was last accessed on Wikipedia. So they're very often different. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:21, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

David cotterill

He did go to Glyn derw high school some of his football shirt are in there and I have meet him because I went to Glyn derw high school thats how I know he went there Gatesy15 (talk) 12:54, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel McBreen

Gatoclass (talk) 11:12, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Stopping Vandalizers

Hey MattytheWhite

Firstly great job on Wiki. You're always spot on with seeing the vandal info popping up on various football articles. It's frustrating to see so much vandalism!

Just wondering how you're so quickly able to see when people make edits. I've added some pages to my watchlist but still have to go back and check each page individually to see what changes have been made. Any tools you use to help you? --Shreerajtheauthor (talk) 22:31, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your kind words! I'm able to detect vandalism by having (probably too) many articles on my watchlist and checking it regularly. I use Twinkle to revert vandalism and report users, I would highly recommend it. See here for instructions on installing it. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:09, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I just noticed the Twinkle changed when I am on people's talkpage. I think I got it. When sending someone a warning and I want to link the linked article to their exact edit how would I do that? --Shreerajtheauthor (talk) 03:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Pushing your POV might be no different than vandalism in the eyes of many

I strongly object to your recent edit to the List of Manchester City F.C. players article. Not so much to what was done but to the way it was done. You clearly do not understand that fundamental to Wikipedia is the principle of consensus. To nominate a template for deletion at 23:54 on 5 August 2015 and for you to delete it as if some sort of consensus had already been obtained for your actions at 23:50 on 5 August 2015 gives other editors a window of -4 minutes to discuss this issue to arrive at the required consensus for deletion. To have added the banner to the right of the navbox stating that it was now being considered for deletion - only by you I might add - so as to squish everything over to the left of the screen making it appear that the navbox is the cause of such a problem only serves to support your claim in a manner that is hardly fair and just in this instance. Your edit was clearly designed to negatively influence other editors against the navbox remaining and can hardly be seen to be the result of an editor applying any sort of fair rationale and objective decision making.

If you wish to delete that navbox for the reasons you have stated then please feel free to open a discussion topic on the Talk page of the article in question which is the appropriate place to handle such issues. If you obtain a consensus there for your actions from the editors that regularly contribute to that article then the subsequent deletion of the navbox will become a formality. To simply delete the navbox in the manner that you have done without first obtaining such a consensus in the standard Wikipedia fashion is no different than vandalism - except I and other editors are able to simply revert obvious vandalism edits, but I personally have no idea how to revert your hack placement of that bogus banner claiming a non-existent discussion process is currently occurring, when what is really happening is that an editor that has made zero constructive contributions to that article is now using such a bogus process to push his own POV regarding the continued existence or deletion of the navbox. — not really here discuss 13:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

It's not been deleted, and a proper discussion is taking place as the banner next to the template indicates. The deletion discussion is here. Fenix down (talk) 13:18, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Claiming that nominating a redundant and obstructive template for deletion is "no different than vandalism" is a frankly laughable assertion. If you wish to express your opinion on the TfD, you of course can at the discussion. Although it does seem a clear consensus is forming there, which should satisfy you judging by what you say above. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

No, what is frankly laughable is your whole boorish POV approach to this issue. To request discussion on whether the template should be deleted or not AFTER you have already deleted it from the article hardly demonstrates a fair and objective approach to the matter to be discussed. You are clearly putting the cart before the horse. The normal practice in such matters is to delete or remove the item in question only AFTER a consensus to do so has been obtained, not BEFORE. You show your lack of objectivity in this matter by automatically assuming you are right and presupposing the outcome of what is meant to be an open democratic discussion by deleting the template from the article before any consensus had been obtained to do so. I don't disagree that the template contents are mostly redundant. But exactly how is it obstructive? What is it obstructing you from doing in your life? That is such a revealingly bias and emotionally subjective comment from you. I have been editing the article in question quite extensively for the past month or so and that navbox is hardly the thing I would most want to change next in the article. It is not the removal of the navbox I object to, it is your manner of going about things that annoys me. You have made no constructive contributions to the article but now you wish to force your blatantly POV agenda on it from afar by seeking consensus from other editors that have similarly made no contributions to the article. The correct way to do this is to seek the consensus of the actual contributing editors to the article in question. That is the only consensus that counts - not the bogus "kangaroo court" type process that you have embarked upon. — not really here discuss 15:11, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Fenix down: Let me add this as a clarification to both of you (Fenix and Matty). When I first saw the format-breaking banner caused by Matty's initiated TfD process I followed the link in the banner to the TfD discussion page and there was only one posting there - a vote to delete by someone called "Dirtlawyer", I believe. This was early in the morning (my time) and I had made an edit to the article only the previous evening, so I was somewhat incensed by the fact that Matty appeared to have thought he had achieved a consensus (by the agreement of one other vote) in a time span of less than 8 hours that justified his going ahead and deleting the template in question. That would have been such an egregious corruption of the Wikipedia concept of consensus gathering, but hardly the first one to ever occur on Wikipedia. When you have been around Wikipedia awhile you will realise that smart-arse editors wishing to boorishly push their own agendas play fast and loose with the concept of consensus all the time. And this appeared to be what I was dealing with here. It was what prompted me to make my initial post above.

When I actually got into writing my post and trying to explain that such a short window of a few hours was hardly an adequate period of time for other editors to have their say on this issue, I discovered as I inserted my internal links into the two times shown in my initial post - the time of the TfD initiation and the time of Matty's edit deleting the navbox from the article - that he had actually deleted the navbox from the article before he had even initiated the TfD process, which only incensed me more because it implied the -4 minutes window I ultimately complained about rather than the 8+ hours window I had initially come here to point out as being a ludicrously short length of time for any editor to have used in claiming that he had already achieved consensus for going ahead and deleting the template. Which is the cause of my using phraseology such as "kangaroo court", etc. It is completely the wrong order in which to do things and I fully stand by the harsh wording of my previous admonition of Matty for doing that.

However, there is a conflation of two separate processes also going on here, which is mostly caused by Matty executing those two actions one after the other. The deletion of the template from the article is a separate action from the initiation of the TfD process, but in doing the two actions virtually together it created the following unfavorable situation. As the next editor looking at the article I raised my eyebrows somewhat when I saw the implied ad hominem attack in Matty's edit summary - to have written "rm redundant navbox" would have been impersonal and neutral, but to write "rm needless navbox" instead is not. They may seem like synonymous summaries but "needless" has strong pejorative overtones that "redundant" does not carry - it implies that the redundancy was maliciously or incompetently introduced by the editor that added the navbox rather than something that may have simply happened over time. It was not the most egregious violation of Wikipedia guidance on how to write edit summaries - I'm sure I've written plenty of more scathing edit summaries than that one in my time - but in this instance it had an attributing "pouring fuel on the fire" effect on everything else that played out here, and you can see how defencive of his actions it made Falastur2 in his contribution to the TfD discussion.

The other contributing factor in this whole comedy of errors is the blatant bug in the code associated with the TfD initiation process that places its notification banners to the right of the template being identified for TfD rather than above or below them, which is always going to cause a format problem with a right-aligned template, as in this case. Once I had reverted Matty's edit on the basis I felt he was jumping the gun in deleting something he had not yet obtained any consensus to delete and then followed the banner's link to the TfD discussion and saw that Matty's rationale for deleting the template was that it was causing format issues in the article - which it wasn't, it was the TfD banner introduced by his own actions that was causing the problems he was complaining about - no fair-thinking person can blame me for calling him out on his apparent hypocrisy. Having since thought about this I now realize Matty had no control over the placement of that banner, but he was totally out of order to use its format breaking effect on the articles (note: having had a chance to look over Matty's prior edits today I now realise he removed it from a number of MCFC-related articles before initiating the TfD, but I rarely access let alone edit any of the others) as a self-serving justification for its removal. The redundancy argument was quite sufficient (as I've already pointed out in the TfD discussion), and Matty needs to be man enough to take full responsibility for most of the negative consequences caused by his actions, particularly once they were pointed out to him. — not really here discuss 16:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Lee Nogan

Hi Matty

Sorry it's taken me forever to find how to reply to you... Lee Nogan is PE teacher at St Barnabas Primary School where my daughter went until this summer. He was a bit of a local hero for me and my wife before our kids were born, so to have our youngest being taught by him and calling him 'Mr Nogan' was quite funny.. I've never edited anything before and just signed up to reply to you.. Whether you feel inclined to put it back, leave it out or research it yourself a bit, is up to you.. But looking at other things on your talkpage, I commend you on what must be a time consuming job keeping trouble causers and amateurs like me at bay.. :-) Take it easy.. Cheers.. Clumpyplumpy (talk) 22:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Heh, I'm guessing you're not a York fan if you regard Lee Nogan as a "local hero" :) The thing is, all content here needs to cited by reliable sources, meaning you can't add stuff from personal experience, as that is original research. I'll see if I can find anything online about Mr Nogan's new career. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 13:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Transport

It's a great idea and I think we can probably knock that up. My worry is time. I'm about to go away for about a week and really want this to be able to run on Main Page at the end of this month when it's the 80th anniv. Is it a definite need for FA quality or will it suffice if I promise to get a decent, reffed section knocked up soon? --Dweller (talk) 05:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I think as long as it covers the main bases it should be fine :) Mattythewhite (talk) 12:52, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I see on WT:FOOTY that you're after season attendances, am I right in assuming for Norwich? If so, I wonder if this book might include them? It seems there isn't a Complete Record type book like there is for York, which is a shame. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Tasci

Hi, I am extremely sorry and my apologies for the mishap. I wanted to put the nomination tag, which I have now put. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 14:46, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Fantastic Four

I recently had to undo an edit on the Fantastic Four page, that said it was a non fictional superhero team. It is not obvious vandalism, so what should I do now? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 17:16, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I think {{subst:uw-test1}} would be appropriate in this case. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I can't edit semi-protected articles yet, should I warn the user? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I would do using the warning above. Do you know how go about that? Mattythewhite (talk) 17:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I've done it. Does it need to be signed, as it says in the message anyway? I didn't sign when I originally left the message but added it now. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes it does. When your account reaches four days it will become autoconfirmed, and you'll be able to install the Twinkle tool, which makes it easier to revert vandalism and warn users. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Reason for false info

My cousin came to my house and was fucking with my wiki so I'm sorry for any false info on any pages Footiewiki (talk) 20:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

York City Squad

Hello sorry if i was causing an editing war. I just tried to make the squad list look better. Editingsportse, User talk:Editingsportse. — Preceding undated comment added 22:55, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

We are encouraged to use Template:football squad start2 for squads, as it resolves accessibility issues with the old template. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Appearance count

If a footballer plays a match, should his appearance count (and goal count if necessary) be updated? What if the previous appearance count was incorrect, and you simply add 1 to the appearance count? Would you then be blocked for accidentally just adding 1 (as you'd get test warnings or something, even though it's not the user's fault who added an extra 1)? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 17:11, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Users should always consult with sources (in this case, Soccerbase, Soccerway etc) before updating any content, including appearance data. If an editor was continually doing it being receiving numerous warnings, then a block would probably be justified. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:51, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Wait, so you shouldn't add an appearance every time a player has played a match without looking at these sources? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 19:19, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd highly recommend checking at least one of them, just to make sure you haven't missed any appearances/goals. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:21, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Do subs count? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Yup. Soccerbase list substitute appearances in brackets, so they need adding up. See this Soccerbase profile as an example. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The problem is, that it is not up to date. Look at Tony Watt for example. His appearance and goal today have not counted, as it says he has not played any matches this season. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Soccerbase can be a little slow in updating their totals, I'm just going by BBC reports in the meantime. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Do domestic cup matches count? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The infobox includes league appearances only, but cup stats can go in the career stats table. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:50, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The two sites you mentioned have different results for Morgan Fox of Charlton Athletic? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 19:55, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Once Soccerbase update their totals, the two should be match up. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:58, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

No they have a massive difference, which should be used? Leeds United FC fan (talk) 19:59, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

They are 38 and 28, massive difference. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 20:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Soccerbase show substitute appearances in brackets, don't forget, so their figure is 37. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:03, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Richard Keogh of Derby County is very different on both. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 20:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

I used the linked website (not profile) with today's match. I've done it now. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Yohan Cabaye (& ors)

Hi Mattythewhite, this editor who 'vandalised' several pages yesterday has been at it again, with several edits at Yohan Cabaye and also one unsourced ungrammatical edit at Duke McKenzie. I've RV'd the McKenzied edit but the number at Cabaye and an intervening sensible one...not sure how to deal with that. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 18:51, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Reverted and warned. Looks like what the user told me on my TP yesterday is bogus. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:56, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes I have no doubt it is. I stuck another message on his talk page too. (Also pointed out WP:BRO). Regards, Eagleash (talk) 19:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. After my message above the user left a fairly abusive message on my talk page, so I responded (politely) on his, leaving some regular help page info etc. However he has put the info back into the Cabaye article and left another (less-impolite) message. Looks like a bit of a prob. developing. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 08:43, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out! It's a shame when people can't behave sensibly. Eagleash (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

No worries. The language they were using was completely unacceptable, and it's probably only a matter of time until they receive an indef block. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill

Hello Matty, could you please restore Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill. He made his debut for Swindon Town today, so is now notable. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 21:38, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Carrow Road FAC

Hi Matty, I think we've kind-of addressed your concerns at the FAC, would you be prepared to return to see if there's anything else we can do? Thanks for your comments so far, of course. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

AEK fan "user" / Other nuisances

Getting all fired up with the new season this chap I wager, a further nine months ahead of us with NO PC UPDATE (as seen here https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Alberto_Sansimena_Chamorro&diff=669018873&oldid=665255027).

Happy week, and all that --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

• You also may want to have a(nother) look at this punk you have already warned (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.71.25.214), inflates stats like no tomorrow in box, I have already reverted P. Dubovsky and E. Granero. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:38, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi mate can you not do anything to what I do I am Matthew Barnes homer it's my page and the info was not right before so I put that right Ballerbarnes9 (talk) 22:59, 12 August 2015 (UTC)